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Sinclair is an interesting one.

He may well see himself as a player and the Nic Nat/Lycett combo will be around for a while. Given this he may seek game time elsewhere and have some currency for other teams much like Downsborough in 90's from which we could get an additional and reasonable draft pick.

If he were to move on then we would need to pick up a state leaguer as insurance and seek to select a rookie as per flamingEMBERS suggestion. Maybe that is why we have reportedly enquired after Lowden (?) at Hawthorn.
 

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Sinclair's been gunning it all year in the WAFL - surely a team will pounce. He's contracted so we have the ball in our court - Late second rounder/early third possible?
 
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Pickett doesn't get a lot of possessions - that is the main criticism. That doesn't stop him being damaging though. Anytime he gets the ball forward of centre he is a danger to score. I think he is a much more rare talent than Ahern and if I was forced to choose between the two I would take Pickett for that reason. Don't get me wrong, Ahern is a nice player but Pickett has rare athleticism and tools.
You're essentially describing Abbott. Referring to the earlier question of what position for Abbott, it would have to be HHF, don't see defence in him, maybe that's just me, but his speed is very good. Pickett and Abbott in a sprint would be interesting. Both have issues of disappearing from games, but I think Abbott has got a lot better this year, as Pickett probably will with maturity as well.
Yep acknowledge that Swannies, I think the club could develop that side of his game.

He takes on the game better than anyone I can remember, better than Lewis Jetta.

He will tear Subiaco apart. He plays that ground already so well.

He will gives us a new dimension to our forward half.
What are your thoughts on Abbott ROYAL EAGLE? I find myself very confused about him at times. ;)
 

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Hill was good yesterday. Has the skills is still young - deserves another year under Simpson.

McGinnity has been one of our best over the last 3 games. No coincidence that his aggression and desperation are rubbing off on the team - we haven't lost a game since he's been back. McGinnity was our barometer back in 2011 and is again showing his value.
 

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Hill was good yesterday. Has the skills is still young - deserves another year under Simpson.

McGinnity has been one of our best over the last 3 games. No coincidence that his aggression and desperation are rubbing off on the team - we haven't lost a game since he's been back. McGinnity was our barometer back in 2011 and is again showing his value.
We lost to Richmond with paddymac on the side just for the record
 

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Hill was good yesterday. Has the skills is still young - deserves another year under Simpson.

McGinnity has been one of our best over the last 3 games. No coincidence that his aggression and desperation are rubbing off on the team - we haven't lost a game since he's been back. McGinnity was our barometer back in 2011 and is again showing his value.
He was our worst player yesterday.
 
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I agree we need another ruck but I think we have too much quality in our third ruck. The fact is Sinclair would be a second ruck at around 7 teams, and forward pinch hitting ruckman are all the rave these days. We could easily draft a 17 year old deep in the draft and rookie a state league ruck to fill our needs behind NicNat and Lycett.
I think that is what we need - get someone like a Cam Wood to sit on a rookie list.

Sure they aren't there to develop and become a star - but they do allow you to have depth in your list so as to not put a prized colt in the ruck

At a pinch we could have Sinclair ruck and McGovern support
 

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You're essentially describing Abbott. Referring to the earlier question of what position for Abbott, it would have to be HHF, don't see defence in him, maybe that's just me, but his speed is very good. Pickett and Abbott in a sprint would be interesting. Both have issues of disappearing from games, but I think Abbott has got a lot better this year, as Pickett probably will with maturity as well.

What are your thoughts on Abbott ROYAL EAGLE? I find myself very confused about him at times. ;)
Yeah they both have low possessions in common. And its true, you can't have too many guys like that in your team - which is why I would question taking both. Pickett runs a 2.81 and is very agile with some crumbing ability. I think he is a more explosive athlete with a more defined role. Abbott could be a HFF. In today's game you want elite runners in that role who make good decisions under pressure and i'm not sure he fits the bill. Not saying he can't develop but given what he has displayed so far he doesn't demand anything more than a speculative late pick.
 

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Hill was good yesterday. Has the skills is still young - deserves another year under Simpson.

McGinnity has been one of our best over the last 3 games. No coincidence that his aggression and desperation are rubbing off on the team - we haven't lost a game since he's been back. McGinnity was our barometer back in 2011 and is again showing his value.
I'm a p-mac defender myself, but yesterday isn't the day to make the case. He was pants yesterday.
 

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Yeah they both have low possessions in common. And its true, you can't have too many guys like that in your team - which is why I would question taking both. Pickett runs a 2.81 and is very agile with some crumbing ability. I think he is a more explosive athlete with a more defined role. Abbott could be a HFF. In today's game you want elite runners in that role who make good decisions under pressure and i'm not sure he fits the bill. Not saying he can't develop but given what he has displayed so far he doesn't demand anything more than a speculative late pick.
Given the importance of the 1st pick in todays football AND knowing WC's issues are midfield located - how would you sell Pickett to the WC committee (presuming he's still around by then) ?
 

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Sinclair's been gunning it all year in the WAFL - surely a team will pounce. He's contracted so we have the ball in our court - Late second rounder/early third possible?
He signed a two-year deal just a few weeks ago. Hard to see another team pouncing on him in those circumstances.
 

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Given the importance of the 1st pick in todays football AND knowing WC's issues are midfield located - how would you sell Pickett to the WC committee (presuming he's still around by then) ?
Pickett spends time in the centre square every game.
It maybe only a few minutes each quarter, but every game he has time in the middle.
When he gets the ball from the centre square is very hard to stop.
Plays mainly on the wing and half foward, Pickett can find his own footy, doesn't rely
soley on ball been handed out to him.
His problem is he doesn't get enough of it.
Have a look at the ais v collingwood game earlier in the year, he played midfield all game,
and was close to bog.
 

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You're essentially describing Abbott. Referring to the earlier question of what position for Abbott, it would have to be HHF, don't see defence in him, maybe that's just me, but his speed is very good. Pickett and Abbott in a sprint would be interesting. Both have issues of disappearing from games, but I think Abbott has got a lot better this year, as Pickett probably will with maturity as well.

What are your thoughts on Abbott ROYAL EAGLE? I find myself very confused about him at times. ;)
Abbott is interesting one as once he is in a AFL program will improve a lot.
He can get a lot fitter and become a better runner, he improved that a great deal this year with,
Claremont's fitness staff but has a long way to go.
I see him developing as a half forward/half back with potential to move into the middle.
He reminds me of Petracca before he moved into the midfield.
He's a excellent mark for his size, has a booming kick, and seems to have good agility.
He also gives that physical presence when he tackles someone they hurt.
He is raw but there is a lot to work with.
We don't have anyone on our list like him.

Pickett is the quicker of the two. What I like is there two players with elite pace that know how to and use there pace well.
(not like Ash Smith)
 

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Pickett spends time in the centre square every game.
It maybe only a few minutes each quarter, but every game he has time in the middle.
When he gets the ball from the centre square is very hard to stop.
Plays mainly on the wing and half foward, Pickett can find his own footy, doesn't rely
soley on ball been handed out to him.
His problem is he doesn't get enough of it.
Have a look at the ais v collingwood game earlier in the year, he played midfield all game,
and was close to bog.
RE - first let me say I have nothing against Pickett - he is a really good kid and his parents are unbelievable. I don't think his dad ever misses a training session so the support base is certainly there.

But - he is not a midfielder and I doubt he will ever be one apart from the odd 5 min stints now and then. Certainly his skills and speed would be a major plus in any spot on the field BUT it is the outside that is his domain.

Now I am not saying he shouldn't be drafted by WC - I am simply querying if is he the best choice if the general belief is that its the midfield that needs strengthening.

PS - personally I feel that if Yeo and Colledge are up and going with stints by Tunbridge, and if NN can continue with what he ahs shown in the last 2 weeks, then the skilful pacy outside player which is what pickett offers, is perhaps what WC need. However quite a few if's there and it would be a big change in thinking for WC to go for a player like Pickett with their 1st round pick. 2nd round - no questions - but 1st round...
 
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Abbott is interesting one as once he is in a AFL program will improve a lot.
He can get a lot fitter and become a better runner, he improved that a great deal this year with,
Claremont's fitness staff but has a long way to go.
I see him developing as a half forward/half back with potential to move into the middle.
He reminds me of Petracca before he moved into the midfield.
He's a excellent mark for his size, has a booming kick, and seems to have good agility.
He also gives that physical presence when he tackles someone they hurt.
He is raw but there is a lot to work with.
We don't have anyone on our list like him.

Pickett is the quicker of the two. What I like is there two players with elite pace that know how to and use there pace well.
(not like Ash Smith)
Spot on re abbott - the value in him is the chance he could be that explosive mid more than what he'd offer at hf. Rolling the dice a bit but that's the draft for you.

Re pickett not offering the big inside game we need, the qu is who you'd take as the alternative. De goey doesn't seem a clear early 1st rounder at this stage. Course they way we're going we may coming in latet anyway.
 

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PS - personally I feel that if Yeo and Colledge are up and going with stints by Tunbridge, and if NN can continue with what he ahs shown in the last 2 weeks, then the skilful pacy outside player which is what pickett offers, is perhaps what WC need. However quite a few if's there and it would be a big change in thinking for WC to go for a player like Pickett with their 1st round pick. 2nd round - no questions - but 1st round...
That is the big question IMO and something im still not sure about. Waterman this year along with Yeo and Sheed coming through as well as Tunbridge and Colledge as possibles suggest yes but I'm not sure if they are the quality or just quantity.
 
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That is the big question IMO and something im still not sure about. Waterman this year along with Yeo and Sheed coming through as well as Tunbridge and Colledge as possibles suggest yes but I'm not sure if they are the quality or just quantity.
There's no doubt in my mind Yeo is quality, easily the player I'm most excited about heading into next year.
 

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RE - first let me say I have nothing against Pickett - he is a really good kid and his parents are unbelievable. I don't think his dad ever misses a training session so the support base is certainly there.

But - he is not a midfielder and I doubt he will ever be one apart from the odd 5 min stints now and then. Certainly his skills and speed would be a major plus in any spot on the field BUT it is the outside that is his domain.

Now I am not saying he shouldn't be drafted by WC - I am simply querying if is he the best choice if the general belief is that its the midfield that needs strengthening.

PS - personally I feel that if Yeo and Colledge are up and going with stints by Tunbridge, and if NN can continue with what he ahs shown in the last 2 weeks, then the skilful pacy outside player which is what pickett offers, is perhaps what WC need. However quite a few if's there and it would be a big change in thinking for WC to go for a player like Pickett with their 1st round pick. 2nd round - no questions - but 1st round...
Yeah I do hear you on this one, and thanks for that it seems you have a good handle of the up and comers (certainly more than I do).

I agree our midfield is certainly the highest priority. The issue is, I couldn't stand another "pretty good mid" I don't think we need another better than average player in the middle. With pick 9-11 we may get the 6th or 7th (perceived) best mid in the draft? I would hate to have another decent developing midfielder, at the expense of a potential genuine game breaker who happens to suit a different part of the ground.

If we had a top 5 pick then sure, i'd be all over chasing a top 3 mid from the draft.

I'm sure its been mentioned often and throughout this board, but it's top end midfield talent that we need in the middle, we have a good support crew. Can we get an elite with pick 10ish through the draft? (I know we can but what are the chances?)

If it's not a super strong possibility that we can, then let's try and use our pick (plus extras) and go hard during trade week. Before anyone screams at me I do acknowledge how unlikely it is to steal an elite mid from another team (without selling the farm).

Hence the question, Do we get more value out of a truly dynamic forward than another potentially good mid.

*Note I didn't say vanilla once
 
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