delisted ?

[Dramoth]

Anderson is much better suited to our game plan and is constantly improving albeit at a slow rate. Johnson is a struggler at best. Good decision.

Anderson is excellent depth as a rebounding HBF. The more games we get into him, the better off he will be I reckon. He showed a lot more good things in the few matches he played than bad things.

Made a couple of stuff ups in his 5 games this year, 2 of which can be directly attributable to T-Bird. T-Bird made the original mistakes, but Anderson got the blame.

That being said, I can see Browne getting delisted before Anderson or Johnson.

 

[PeeKay]

hey guys,
when will this be announced? Some clubs already have any idea when?

The way I read it is that:
Jacobs & Grigg were replaced by Collins & Laidler.
Then Hadley & Wiggins retired: To be replaced by Draft picks 18 & 33.
Therefore we need to delist at least two or three more to take advantage of picks 41, 67, 70. (Total 5)
Some very tough decisions. A lot depends on how O'Keefe's health is. My guess of the future delistments are: Tiller & O'Keefe then depending on what's available in the Draft maybe Browne & Fisher.
I can't see them dropping Johnson after his very good efforts prior to getting injured. Not only that he can kick a ball, something that Ratten is adamant about.
I don't know much about Donaldson but I think they have to keep "Rookies" for a minimum of two years. so he's safe.
On that basis it has to be someone on the main list. Therefore "Browne" is certainly looking like the next to go as we have an abundance of players of his ilke.

 

[Blue Dimension]

Anderson is excellent depth as a rebounding HBF. The more games we get into him, the better off he will be I reckon. He showed a lot more good things in the few matches he played than bad things.

Made a couple of stuff ups in his 5 games this year, 2 of which can be directly attributable to T-Bird. T-Bird made the original mistakes, but Anderson got the blame.

That being said, I can see Browne getting delisted before Anderson or Johnson.

Agree completely.

Despite what others may have said about Browne, he showed absolutely nothing this year (in my opinion) to suggest he's anywhere near the standard required to be a consistent contributor at AFL level.

 

[juddsentant517]

Something bothers me about the fact that we are delisting a guy who has proven to play good games, and keeping guys that have done very little (Besides going in front of Jonathan Brown.)

Not even that, Johnson has better foot skills, has proven to play both inside and out, is 24 years old, meaning he should be at his peak, and is relatively quick. Tell me one thing Browne or Anderson offers that Johnson doesn't? (Besides Athleticism in Anderson's case)

If Anderson and Browne stays, good on them. Will support them 100% and hope they come good, but i will be very irritated if we delisted Johnson (As i was when we delisted Cory McGrath, my former favorite player)

 

[fireupboys]

The way I see it:

Grigg and Jacobs out and Collins and Laidler in

I would say we will use picks 18, 33 and 41 while also elevating Garlett and Ellard with also the possibility of White being elevated as well

This means we need too delist 5 or maybe 6 players

With Wiggins and Hadley retiring this leaves us with 3 or 4 to delist

At the moment it seems like those will be Tiller, Fisher and Johnson as this was apparently hinted at, at the Bullants presentation night

If we are to also elevate White means we will need to delist one more..

 

[BlueTongue]

Something bothers me about the fact that we are delisting a guy who has proven to play good games, and keeping guys that have done very little (Besides going in front of Jonathan Brown.)

Not even that, Johnson has better foot skills, has proven to play both inside and out, is 24 years old, meaning he should be at his peak, and is relatively quick. Tell me one thing Browne or Anderson offers that Johnson doesn't? (Besides Athleticism in Anderson's case)

If Anderson and Browne stays, good on them. Will support them 100% and hope they come good, but i will be very irritated if we delisted Johnson (As i was when we delisted Cory McGrath, my former favorite player)

Here's 2;

1. Heart
2. The ability to kick forwards (Johnson is too scared to make a mistake and often chips backwards to rid himself of possession)

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

Collingwood had Blight, Corrie and Buckley on their list in 2010.

Every team has list cloggers.

How do you replace Anderson and Browne in the next two compromised drafts?

Anderson or Browne might be of more value to Carlton than a late pick who will have to be re-signed for two years. If it's between another Tiller and Anderson or Browne, I'd choose the latter every time.

Indeed they do have list cloggers.

But i'd rather take a punt on a Myles Sewell type player from a lower league as the list clogger than a Browne or Anderson.

As you say the drafts are compromised, so it couldn't hurt to look at those players in the 20-25 age range who are top class in a lower league.

After seeing Browne and Anderson in that VFL GF I wouldn't want them even considered for our senior side next season.

 

[juddsentant517]

Here's 2;

1. Heart
2. The ability to kick forwards (Johnson is too scared to make a mistake and often chips backwards to rid himself of possession)

The ability to kick forward is a much easier habit then the ability to kick, something both of those players lack. I guess Heart is an objective attribute. Never seen Browne do anything that inspires me to say that he has heart at AFL level, and besides that one courageous moment by Anderson, can't really point out any other moments that suggest to me that Anderson has "heart". Anyways, don't want to knock either of them. Just an opinion

 

[Dramoth]

Too many people jumping on the 'Lets all say Anderson is crap' bandwagon.

A few years ago, a lot of people were on the 'Bower is crap' and the 'Russell is crap' bandwagons and these days, everyone loves them. Why? Because the coach had a bit of faith in them and saw something that all the bandwagoners missed completely. They had ability.

I am not saying that Anderson will ever be as good as Russell or Bower, but he is handy depth and will probably have the same sort of career as Wiggins. Playing around 10 games a year at most over the next 10 years and will eventually win a place in our hearts as being a player who tries hard, but is missing the natural ability of some of the other players in the team.

He is a bit player in the club, but at times he will be a very important bit player.

 

[Sam The Doc]

Anderson has very very ordinary awareness...
Thought Johnson played some good games for us this year, got injured too easily though.

 

[Dramoth]

Anderson has very very ordinary awareness...
Thought Johnson played some good games for us this year, got injured too easily though.

If I remember rightly, he broke his arm in a game this year? Was pretty good in the games before the injury and was starting to show something when he came back.

 

[Stamos]

If I remember rightly, he broke his arm in a game this year? Was pretty good in the games before the injury and was starting to show something when he came back.

Played 2 good games this year (against St Kilda and Port), then broke his arm 10-15 minutes into his third (vs Hawthorn). He came back into the side for 2 weeks (vs WCE and Collingwood), but was average, and it looks like he had his papers stamped then.

 

[BlueTongue]

The ability to kick forward is a much easier habit then the ability to kick, something both of those players lack. I guess Heart is an objective attribute. Never seen Browne do anything that inspires me to say that he has heart at AFL level, and besides that one courageous moment by Anderson, can't really point out any other moments that suggest to me that Anderson has "heart". Anyways, don't want to knock either of them. Just an opinion

By heart I mean that they will consistently chase, tackle and force a contest. Get their own ball. Johnson likes to play loose more often than not and pick up cheap possessions. That's fine if you have other attributes to keep you in the 22, but when you are a fringe player like he is, you're just going to get dropped.

I was one of Anderson's biggest critics last year & earlier this year, but in the last few games he played he really started to show something. Yes he turned the ball over more than I'd have liked, but I'm hoping that given enough game time he'll loose the 'bumbling nerves' and start to grow in confidence. He may even be worth more of a punt than Aussie. I mean, at what point do you cut your losses with injury? Johnson is a one trick pony whose potential has already been reached. Browne has had a bad year (well so I've read because I haven't seen the VFL this year) but showed promise last year (especially when moved forward).

Anderson may just turn it around this year, and I suspect Carlton have obviously thought so too if the 2 year contract to keep him away from GC17 is right.

I'd give him another go.

 

[AlecDuncan]

Unfortunately Joey's nowhere near good enough - comparisons to Bower only make the comparer look foolish.

And I can only wish that Browne did consistently chase, tackle and force a contest, because he hasn't done it to date at any level.

Johnson's got his faults, but he at least has the capability of starring at senior level. The other two don't.

 

[BlueTongue]

Unfortunately Joey's nowhere near good enough - comparisons to Bower only make the comparer look foolish.

And I can only wish that Browne did consistently chase, tackle and force a contest, because he hasn't done it to date at any level.

Johnson's got his faults, but he at least has the capability of starring at senior level. The other two don't.

Well we'll just have to see who gets delisted then won't we?

 

[IheartCarrots]

The way I read it is that:
Jacobs & Grigg were replaced by Collins & Laidler.
Then Hadley & Wiggins retired: To be replaced by Draft picks 18 & 33.
Therefore we need to delist at least two or three more to take advantage of picks 41, 67, 70. (Total 5)
Some very tough decisions. A lot depends on how O'Keefe's health is. My guess of the future delistments are: Tiller & O'Keefe then depending on what's available in the Draft maybe Browne & Fisher.
I can't see them dropping Johnson after his very good efforts prior to getting injured. Not only that he can kick a ball, something that Ratten is adamant about.
I don't know much about Donaldson but I think they have to keep "Rookies" for a minimum of two years. so he's safe.
On that basis it has to be someone on the main list. Therefore "Browne" is certainly looking like the next to go as we have an abundance of players of his ilke.

Rookies are only signed to single year contracts. The only rookies that get a minimum of two years are the ones drafted by GC and GWS the year before the squad enters the AFL. Unless the rules have changed recently, you can only retain 3 rookies for a 2nd year and the rest have to be delisted and re-drafted.

We need to delist at least 2 more players. We must take 3 draft picks and promote Garlett. If we wish to promote Ellard, that's another delisting. If we wish to promote White, that's another delisting.

The retained rookies will be Casboult, Tuohy and probably White. Meaning, Donaldson, Cachia and Dare will need to be redrafted in the rookie draft if we decide to keep them.

 

[AlecDuncan]

Well we'll just have to see who gets delisted then won't we?

Like that'll be proof of anything.

 

[Sin City]

The retained rookies will be Casboult, Tuohy and probably White. Meaning, Donaldson, Cachia and Dare will need to be redrafted in the rookie draft if we decide to keep them.

International rookies don't count in that rule.

 

[BowerTower]

Anderson is safe, he will come good eventually (think Russell). Browne will be the unlucky one I feel.

 

[BowerTower]

If White doesn't get elevated something is wrong. Just pay out one of our spuds like Setanta or Thornton

 

[Sin City]

If White doesn't get elevated something is wrong. Just pay out one of our spuds like Setanta or Thornton

We don't really need to elevate him when he can be a nominated rookie and then if all goes well replace someone like either of those guys the year after.

 

[Stamos]

If White doesn't get elevated something is wrong. Just pay out one of our spuds like Setanta or Thornton

White being elevated or not comes down to who we want to keep more, the third out of Casboult, Cachia or Dare, or the last guy on our senior list.

 

[Stamos]

I suppose there is also the possibility that Ellard won't be promoted, and therefore delisted.

 

[blueblood25]

White being elevated or not comes down to who we want to keep more, the third out of Casboult, Cachia or Dare, or the last guy on our senior list.

These three are so incredibly important for our club going forward we would be stupid to let any go.

I am already jizzing my friggn head off at the prospect of Cachia tearing 2011 apart.

 

[Yubby]

I'm pretty sure i'm correct with the below info but if i'm not then feel free to point me in the right direction!

Looking at it from the rookie list up... Essentially we can only retain 3 rookies out of our current list...

Cachia, Jaryd
Casboult, Levi
Dare, Joseph
Donaldson, Josh
Ellard, David
Garlett, Jefferey
Labi, Peter
Tuohy, Zach
White, Simon

Of this list Labi and Tuohy are excluded as we can retain them through scholarship and international rookie means which leaves us with 7 to choose from. Of course we can expect Garlett to be upgraded with White and Ellard also possibilities to be upgraded (especially Ellard who can't be re-rookied without letting him go through the rookie draft again).

So expecting Ellard and Garlett to be upgraded we need to look at the 5 remaining and say who are we prepared to give up or alternatively upgrade?

For mine White will be upgraded as he only fell out of the seniors due to injury. If he isn't upgraded it would force us to delist 2 rookies to which i think Dare, Casboult and Cachia are all too valuable to our future to delist. Assuming White is upgraded it leaves us 4 people for 3 spots to which i'm expecting Donaldson to be delisted.

Now if you count that we have 2 new players in (Collins, Laidler) and 3 upgrades (Garlett, Ellard, White) and 3 picks in the draft (18, 33, 41) that's 8 senior positions that need to be available.

Already we have 4 players out to make way in (Jacobs, Grigg, Hadley, Wiggins) so require 4 more spots on our list. We can all make guesses of who is on that list of 4 to go but i would imagine we are looking at these pool of players...

Austin, Mark
Anderson, Joe
Browne, Steven
Fisher, Brad
Tiller, Caleb
Johnson, Chris
O'Keefe, Rhys

Now the part that doesn't make sense to me was why we would take pick 67 for Sauce if we didn't intend to use the pick. Sure we could use it as an upgrade but we would have had enough picks for upgrades anyway. My thoughts at the moment are that we intend to take a pick in the ND with it or maybe the PSD. Either way, if we intend to use it we need another player delisted which means we need 5 more players off our list.... 6 if we want to use pick 70 as well!

Seems to be quite a lot of player attrition in such a short space of time which has me a little confused with our plans at this stage...