Delisting mega thread 2024!!

[koshari]

The irony is for all the talk about our backline I personally think with Logue back it's got more than enough to work with. We have forward issues (desparately need a tall leading player with good hands and to punt a mid sized player for fast / pressure / goalkicking), but IMO even what we have now would be working ok if we could actually generate something close to parity in inside 50's. We aren't giving them much to work with, although granted, forwards need to provide the options as well.

agree, heaps of options to work with down back, and archer beginning to show he might be a permanent addition as well?? but the fwd KPP and genuine crumbing goalsneek are positions that have been vacant since Waite and LT departed.

 

[Mixed Results]

Starting with the rookie list, the major unknown is whether we will keep our two additional spots.

Currently, there are nine on the rookie list: Shiels, Teakle, Payne, Maley, Drury, Dawson, Free, Hansen, and Sellers.

Payne, Dawson, and Teakle are already contracted for next year, and I'd also say Maley is essentially a lock to stay. If we keep our two additional spots, Drury and Sellers start to look safe, but otherwise would be a bit nervous. For this exercise, I'll assume their careers depend on if our list concessions carry over for another year.

Shiels to retire, and Hansen and Free to be delisted. That's the rookie list neatly organised.

For the main list, I think whether we have our extra spots or not, the magic number is 37, as in both scenarios I think we go with an extra rookie to make use of our likely first selection in the rookie draft.

We start with 37 on the senior list, so are in the simple position of having to delist as many as we bring in.

Thomas is the obvious delisting, and Greenwood would be likely to retire at the end of the year. Curtis Taylor

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's recent inclusion into our 22 seems unlikely to extend his stay at the club.

Brayden George, Jackson Archer, and Eddie Ford are the names I'd prioritize for re-signing and would be happy to offer two-year deals to each.

This leaves the following out of contract:

Will Phillips: There is more value in keeping him, but I'd expect some clubs to be interested in offering him a three-year deal, which I wouldn't be eager to match. I'd love for him to stay, but I'd be betting on him playing for another side next year.

Cam Zurhaar: Another I'd keep. The body language suggests he is gone, but I think he ends up staying. For our list calculation he either stays, or we take his compensation pick to the draft.

Bailey Scott: There has been very little chatter about this all year. I fully expect him to see what offers are available from other clubs, but I'd be shocked if there's a significant market for him. I think we end up keeping him on a two-year deal that lets him test free agency in 2026. Given our lack of depth on the wing, I think that's the best option for both parties.

Toby Pink: A one-year extension makes a lot of sense here, as his additional versatility up forward gives us some depth in an area where we have very little options. The only danger for Pink's spot is if we are aggressive in recruiting mature forwards. If he is being kept around to be forward depth, I'd forgive the club for wanting somebody with more experience in that role.

Cooper Harvey: He is struggling this year with some second-year blues, but showed enough in his first year to get a one-year extension. If the rookie list were less congested I'd consider moving him down.

Charlie Lazzaro: I've left him last for a reason, as he seems like the typical candidate to have his fate decided after the trade period. He has major deficiencies but works hard enough that at his age I could live with a one-year extension. However, in the above scenario where we keep Zurhaar and Scott, I think Lazzaro would have to make way.

To summarize:
Retiring: Shiels and Greenwood
Delisted: Thomas, Taylor, Hansen, Free, and Lazzaro
Traded: Phillips

Drury, Sellers, Zurhaar, and Scott are the major unknowns.

 

[year of the roo]

Reckon Kal Dawson is probably promoted to the senior list for next year.

 

[kool kangas]

Starting with the rookie list, the major unknown is whether we will keep our two additional spots.

Currently, there are nine on the rookie list: Shiels, Teakle, Payne, Maley, Drury, Dawson, Free, Hansen, and Sellers.

Payne, Dawson, and Teakle are already contracted for next year, and I'd also say Maley is essentially a lock to stay. If we keep our two additional spots, Drury and Sellers start to look safe, but otherwise would be a bit nervous. For this exercise, I'll assume their careers depend on if our list concessions carry over for another year.

Shiels to retire, and Hansen and Free to be delisted. That's the rookie list neatly organised.

For the main list, I think whether we have our extra spots or not, the magic number is 37, as in both scenarios I think we go with an extra rookie to make use of our likely first selection in the rookie draft.

We start with 37 on the senior list, so are in the simple position of having to delist as many as we bring in.

Thomas is the obvious delisting, and Greenwood would be likely to retire at the end of the year. Curtis Taylor's recent inclusion into our 22 seems unlikely to extend his stay at the club.

Brayden George, Jackson Archer, and Eddie Ford are the names I'd prioritize for re-signing and would be happy to offer two-year deals to each.

This leaves the following out of contract:

Will Phillips: There is more value in keeping him, but I'd expect some clubs to be interested in offering him a three-year deal, which I wouldn't be eager to match. I'd love for him to stay, but I'd be betting on him playing for another side next year.

Cam Zurhaar: Another I'd keep. The body language suggests he is gone, but I think he ends up staying. For our list calculation he either stays, or we take his compensation pick to the draft.

Bailey Scott: There has been very little chatter about this all year. I fully expect him to see what offers are available from other clubs, but I'd be shocked if there's a significant market for him. I think we end up keeping him on a two-year deal that lets him test free agency in 2026. Given our lack of depth on the wing, I think that's the best option for both parties.

Toby Pink: A one-year extension makes a lot of sense here, as his additional versatility up forward gives us some depth in an area where we have very little options. The only danger for Pink's spot is if we are aggressive in recruiting mature forwards. If he is being kept around to be forward depth, I'd forgive the club for wanting somebody with more experience in that role.

Cooper Harvey: He is struggling this year with some second-year blues, but showed enough in his first year to get a one-year extension. If the rookie list were less congested I'd consider moving him down.

Charlie Lazzaro: I've left him last for a reason, as he seems like the typical candidate to have his fate decided after the trade period. He has major deficiencies but works hard enough that at his age I could live with a one-year extension. However, in the above scenario where we keep Zurhaar and Scott, I think Lazzaro would have to make way.

To summarize:
Retiring: Shiels and Greenwood
Delisted: Thomas, Taylor, Hansen, Free, and Lazzaro
Traded: Phillips

Drury, Sellers, Zurhaar, and Scott are the major unknowns.

If possible l would rookie Greenwood and tell him he will be mostly playing in the VFL but might get a game in the AFL if needed....He could help with teaching the younger ones coming through..

Harvey has been troubled by injuries this season so definately agree with a 1 year deal for him.

If Sellers wants to stay l would keep him for another year but l wouldn't be to troubled of Drury, Zurhaar and Scott left as l think we can cover them with the players we have or will get in..

 

[The Nostradamus]

Delist (6)
Toby Pink
Hamish Free
Hugh Greenwood
Tarryn Thomas
Liam Shiels
Robert Hansen


Free Agent/Trade
Bailey Scott - trade him for anything

Retain
CZ - 5 year deal (but could see him going)
Brayden George - 2 year deal
Will Phillips - 2 year deal
CT - 1 year deal
Charlie Lazzaro - 1 year deal
Cooper Harvey - 1 year deal
Eddie Ford - 2 year deal
Jackson Archer - 1 year
Kal Dawson - 1 year deal
Tyler Sellers - 1 year deal
Finnbar Maley - 2 year deal

So 7 gone
Replace 3 or 4 via draft (picks inside first 3 rounds only)
2-3 trade/free agent targets

Edit: we brought in 2 via MSD

So 5 list spots
3 in the draft (national, no need to participate in rookie draft)
2 trade/free agent targets

Could end up with 1 more if bull goes

I forgot Drury add him to the delist so that’s 6 free list spots not incl bull

KD with the 1 year deal as expected also

 

[koshari]

Starting with the rookie list, the major unknown is whether we will keep our two additional spots.

Currently, there are nine on the rookie list: Shiels, Teakle, Payne, Maley, Drury, Dawson, Free, Hansen, and Sellers.

Payne, Dawson, and Teakle are already contracted for next year, and I'd also say Maley is essentially a lock to stay. If we keep our two additional spots, Drury and Sellers start to look safe, but otherwise would be a bit nervous. For this exercise, I'll assume their careers depend on if our list concessions carry over for another year.

Shiels to retire, and Hansen and Free to be delisted. That's the rookie list neatly organised.

For the main list, I think whether we have our extra spots or not, the magic number is 37, as in both scenarios I think we go with an extra rookie to make use of our likely first selection in the rookie draft.

We start with 37 on the senior list, so are in the simple position of having to delist as many as we bring in.

Thomas is the obvious delisting, and Greenwood would be likely to retire at the end of the year. Curtis Taylor's recent inclusion into our 22 seems unlikely to extend his stay at the club.

Brayden George, Jackson Archer, and Eddie Ford are the names I'd prioritize for re-signing and would be happy to offer two-year deals to each.

This leaves the following out of contract:

Will Phillips: There is more value in keeping him, but I'd expect some clubs to be interested in offering him a three-year deal, which I wouldn't be eager to match. I'd love for him to stay, but I'd be betting on him playing for another side next year.

Cam Zurhaar: Another I'd keep. The body language suggests he is gone, but I think he ends up staying. For our list calculation he either stays, or we take his compensation pick to the draft.

Bailey Scott: There has been very little chatter about this all year. I fully expect him to see what offers are available from other clubs, but I'd be shocked if there's a significant market for him. I think we end up keeping him on a two-year deal that lets him test free agency in 2026. Given our lack of depth on the wing, I think that's the best option for both parties.

Toby Pink: A one-year extension makes a lot of sense here, as his additional versatility up forward gives us some depth in an area where we have very little options. The only danger for Pink's spot is if we are aggressive in recruiting mature forwards. If he is being kept around to be forward depth, I'd forgive the club for wanting somebody with more experience in that role.

Cooper Harvey: He is struggling this year with some second-year blues, but showed enough in his first year to get a one-year extension. If the rookie list were less congested I'd consider moving him down.

Charlie Lazzaro: I've left him last for a reason, as he seems like the typical candidate to have his fate decided after the trade period. He has major deficiencies but works hard enough that at his age I could live with a one-year extension. However, in the above scenario where we keep Zurhaar and Scott, I think Lazzaro would have to make way.

To summarize:
Retiring: Shiels and Greenwood
Delisted: Thomas, Taylor, Hansen, Free, and Lazzaro
Traded: Phillips

Drury, Sellers, Zurhaar, and Scott are the major unknowns.

pretty well articulated.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Is there any particular reason, aside from how he'll be 34 next year, for why everyone reckons Shiels will retire at the end of the year?

Based on last weekend, I reckon he's still capable of contributing more on gameday than the bottom quarter of our list.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Don’t think we’ll be delisting as many as we thought pre-bye.

Guys like Phillips, Taylor, Archer you’d want to extend if their current form remains. Lazz is doing everything asked of him in the twos. Despite the injury, you’d think George will get another opportunity.

We should have no hesitation extending Ford, Zurhaar & Scott.

Sellers, Maley and RHJ are all regularly kicking goals in the twos. Pink has probably shown enough versatility to earn a one year extension.

Some question marks remain for Cooper Harvey and Blake Drury. Coops probably showed enough last year to earn a one year extension.

I wouldn’t blame the club if they delisted both Biggie and CCJ. CCJ could end up on the ruck merry go round that happens every year. I’d also be fine if we paid out or traded Stephenson.

I think Free, Greenwood (ret) & Shiels (Ret) are the only certainties to go at this stage.

 

[giantroo]

Don’t think we’ll be delisting as many as we thought pre-bye.

Guys like Phillips, Taylor, Archer you’d want to extend if their current form remains. Lazz is doing everything asked of him in the twos. Despite the injury, you’d think George will get another opportunity.

We should have no hesitation extending Ford, Zurhaar & Scott.

Sellers, Maley and RHJ are all regularly kicking goals in the twos. Pink has probably shown enough versatility to earn a one year extension.

Some question marks remain for Cooper Harvey and Blake Drury. Coops probably showed enough last year to earn a one year extension.

I wouldn’t blame the club if they delisted both Biggie and CCJ. CCJ could end up on the ruck merry go round that happens every year. I’d also be fine if we paid out or traded Stephenson.

I think Free, Greenwood (ret) & Shiels (Ret) are the only certainties to go at this stage.

TT as well.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Don’t think we’ll be delisting as many as we thought pre-bye.

Guys like Phillips, Taylor, Archer you’d want to extend if their current form remains. Lazz is doing everything asked of him in the twos. Despite the injury, you’d think George will get another opportunity.

We should have no hesitation extending Ford, Zurhaar & Scott.

Sellers, Maley and RHJ are all regularly kicking goals in the twos. Pink has probably shown enough versatility to earn a one year extension.

Some question marks remain for Cooper Harvey and Blake Drury. Coops probably showed enough last year to earn a one year extension.

I wouldn’t blame the club if they delisted both Biggie and CCJ. CCJ could end up on the ruck merry go round that happens every year. I’d also be fine if we paid out or traded Stephenson.

I think Free, Greenwood (ret) & Shiels (Ret) are the only certainties to go at this stage.

Biggie and CCJ would both need to be paid out because they arent OOC until next year.

I suspect the list inclusions will to some extent determine who gets the chop.

eg. There's no point delisting Sellers and Maley if you can't replace them with better key forward prospects.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Biggie and CCJ would both need to be paid out because they arent OOC until next year.

I suspect the list inclusions will to some extent determine who gets the chop.

eg. There's no point delisting Sellers and Maley if you can't replace them with better key forward prospects.

Totally get your point. I reckon we could go to the draft with only 4 maybe 5 picks. With all the young talent on our list now, it needs to be quality over quantity. I don’t think there is going to much quality available from other clubs either via FA, trade, or DFA.

Wouldn’t bother me at all if we paid out either of them. The form of Teakle & Maley, kind of makes CCJ’s spot redundant, as the first two both have far more upside.

I’d like to give Sellers another pre-season currently still one of the form goal kickers in the VFL.

 

[hellas_johnny]

Competition for spots in the team right now is at an all time high. Its gonna be crucial come season end for delistings.

I had Hansen Jr as an easy delist but if he keeps up his recent form he could easily slip into the afl team and a new contract. Only shiels greenwood retiring and free seem the only certainty and even then free maybe Drury aswell to add with Thomas. This is where I was worried about drafting both teakle and payne on 1.5 year deals

 

[Liam Boy]

Wouldn't surprise me if Lazzaro leaves for more opportunity. Bashing down the door week after week in the VFL and not getting a look-in, he'd be frustrated and other clubs looking for a centre bounce midfielder to lock in would be interested. Wouldn't be against keeping him if he does want to stay.

 

[hellas_johnny]

Could even trade lazz to Geelong. Plays well down there and they need mids

 

[Kofi]

Competition for spots in the team right now is at an all time high. Its gonna be crucial come season end for delistings.

I had Hansen Jr as an easy delist but if he keeps up his recent form he could easily slip into the afl team and a new contract. Only shiels greenwood retiring and free seem the only certainty and even then free maybe Drury aswell to add with Thomas. This is where I was worried about drafting both teakle and payne on 1.5 year deals

It’s actually a good problem to have. We’ve become used to 8-10 player player changes each year. If we only have 5-6 this year it shows we are moving in the right direction.

 

[hellas_johnny]

We have to hope afl gives us the extra list spots again otherwise we have to delist 2 more

 

[Errol Street]

Delisting too many players is not going create the stability we need, we are done with that. Give players time to develop. Only delist totally cast players. Most on here are constantly bagging players lie Lazzaro and Pink etc etc but we need these players as depth abs can play a role. You want a team full of super stars yeah well how do you fit it into the salary cap? All of Norths premiership teams have had good average players who can do a job and play their role without being close to a star.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Thing with delisting Free is... what do we do if Xerri gets an LTI? If we delist him cause he's not up to standard, then doesn't that mean we need to trade in a replacement ruck? Who would that be?

 

[hellas_johnny]

Thing with delisting Free is... what do we do if Xerri gets an LTI? If we delist him cause he's not up to standard, then doesn't that mean we need to trade in a replacement ruck? Who would that be?

Xerri ccj teakle Goad. That's 4 rucks seems enough for me. Maley also pinch hits there

 

[Carey4life]

Thing with delisting Free is... what do we do if Xerri gets an LTI? If we delist him cause he's not up to standard, then doesn't that mean we need to trade in a replacement ruck? Who would that be?

The reality is Teakle, CCJ and Bigoa are that back up...

I think we'd also be expecting Goad to size up this pre-season.

I think there could be some mildly harsh delistings this year, Harvey, Sellers, George, Hansen jnr. They can't all be at the club unless some other players like zurhaar, lazarro, or Phillips request/get traded.

On that, what's the status of Bailey Scott. The contracts thread says he's uncontracted ...? I reckon Geelong would still love to have him.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Xerri ccj teakle Goad. That's 4 rucks seems enough for me. Maley also pinch hits there

Problem is that Goad isn't anywhere near ready, CCJ needs to get paid out, and at the present time we need Teakle to play mostly forward to maintain structure.

 

[Errol Street]

The reality is Teakle, CCJ and Bigoa are that back up...

I think we'd also be expecting Goad to size up this pre-season.

I think there could be some mildly harsh delistings this year, Harvey, Sellers, George, Hansen jnr. They can't all be at the club unless some other players like zurhaar, lazarro, or Phillips request/get traded.

On that, what's the status of Bailey Scott. The contracts thread says he's uncontracted ...? I reckon Geelong would still love to have him.

we arent gonna delist players to bring in young draftees. Only if we can trade experienced players in will some get delisted as i said all those 4 players you mention are a cheap bet.

 

[hellas_johnny]

Problem is that Goad isn't anywhere near ready, CCJ needs to get paid out, and at the present time we need Teakle to play mostly forward to maintain structure.

If ccj got delisted I'd say you could then make a case to keep free who is starting to play better in the vfl atm. Me personally I'd like ccj gone as much as the next person but I can't see it happening

 

[Makeshift Park]

I think there could be some mildly harsh delistings this year, Harvey, Sellers, George, Hansen jnr. They can't all be at the club unless some other players like zurhaar, lazarro, or Phillips request/get traded.

We're only going to be drafting 4-5 players max. The other delistings would be dependent on which positional upgrades we can make in the trade season.

I think we might have to be more patient with Harvey and RHJ than we otherwise would be, because we don't have small forwards to compete for their spot. (Unless we trade in Stengle or Ainsworth)

Inside mids we have stacks of, so I could see how it would be mutually beneficial for Lazzaro to get traded for a late pick swap to a team where he gets more opportunity.

I think if Shiels wants to go 'round one more time we should keep him, because he's contributing more on game day than the bottom quarter of our list is capable of. But since he'll be 34 I can see why the general consensus is that he'll retire.

If we get to keep the two extra rookie spots for one more year (and since we're finishing bottom 3 I don't see how that would be be controversial for another 12 months), then TT + Greenwood + Lazzaro + Shiels + CCJ would be my starting point.

Then if you can get Parker, Stengle or whoever, you make further delistings accordingly.

 

[flojo]

Been thinking about Shiels. He has been great I think in being a role player and helping the kids. But the end must be neigh. I really think Luke Parker

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is his sub. Can do the same job. Smart player. Wines too slow I can’t see him fitting the role as well