Delisting mega thread 2024!!

[perplexed]

We're only going to be drafting 4-5 players max. The other delistings would be dependent on which positional upgrades we can make in the trade season.

I think we might have to be more patient with Harvey and RHJ than we otherwise would be, because we don't have small forwards to compete for their spot. (Unless we trade in Stengle or Ainsworth)

Inside mids we have stacks of, so I could see how it would be mutually beneficial for Lazzaro to get traded for a late pick swap to a team where he gets more opportunity.

I think if Shiels wants to go 'round one more time we should keep him, because he's contributing more on game day than the bottom quarter of our list is capable of. But since he'll be 34 I can see why the general consensus is that he'll retire.

If we get to keep the two extra rookie spots for one more year (and since we're finishing bottom 3 I don't see how that would be be controversial for another 12 months), then TT + Greenwood + Lazzaro + Shiels + CCJ would be my starting point.

Then if you can get Parker, Stengle or whoever, you make further delistings accordingly.

I doubt we get to keep the extra rookie spots. If we don't, we have four extra players on our list so will need to delist or trade out at least 7 more than we bring in (though one of these could be pushing Brayden George back to the rookie list and upgrading Kallan Dawson).
I had thought that Phillips, Archer and Taylor would likely be gone, but their performances hopefully continue to rule that out. I think Pink, Biggie, RHJ and Sellers are the most likely to join your list.

 

[bringbackboomer]

Then if you can get Parker, Stengle or whoever, you make further delistings accordingly.

I'd imagine that if we remain competitive for the rest of the season as we have in the last three weeks, we wouldn't be in the FA market for a Parker?

Even if Shiels and Greenwood call it a day, you'd hope LDU and Simpkin can stand up as leaders in the mid.

 

[koshari]

Biggie and CCJ would both need to be paid out because they arent OOC until next year.

Iam as tight as a ducks ass but i wouldn't hesitate in putting my hand in my pocket and paying these blokes out. Prolly even throw in a xmas ham.

 

[Makeshift Park]

I doubt we get to keep the extra rookie spots. If we don't, we have four extra players on our list so will need to delist or trade out at least 7 more than we bring in (though one of these could be pushing Brayden George back to the rookie list and upgrading Kallan Dawson).
I had thought that Phillips, Archer and Taylor would likely be gone, but their performances hopefully continue to rule that out. I think Pink, Biggie, RHJ and Sellers are the most likely to join your list.

Why four extra players? We only have two extra rookie list spots.

Biggie is on a two year deal, I don't think they'll pay it out this year.

(I think its more likely they'd pay out CCJ than Nyuon because CCJ's contract was organised under the previous administration, so Viney et al don't have to take responsibility for it)

 

[Makeshift Park]

I'd imagine that if we remain competitive for the rest of the season as we have in the last three weeks, we wouldn't be in the FA market for a Parker?

Even if Shiels and Greenwood call it a day, you'd hope LDU and Simpkin can stand up as leaders in the mid.

We aren't going to be premiers next year. Injecting his leadership and his knowledge of what it takes to sustain elite standards would be valuable, irrespective of whether we finish the year with 2 wins or 6. Plus, Parker would be a significant upgrade on say... Tucker.

 

[perplexed]

Why four extra players? We only have two extra rookie list spots.

Biggie is on a two year deal, I don't think they'll pay it out this year.

(I think its more likely they'd pay out CCJ than Nyuon because CCJ's contract was organised under the previous administration, so Viney et al don't have to take responsibility for it)

We took two players in the MSD as cover for Goater and CJ so we currently have 46 on the two lists.

Didn't realise Biggie was on a two year contract. That was very generous.

 

[Makeshift Park]

We took two players in the MSD as cover for Goater and CJ so we currently have 46 on the two lists.

Oh, I see what you mean.

So, assuming we draft at least 4 players, that's a minimum of 6 delistings.

So TT + Greenwood + Lazzaro + (probably) Shiels
+ one of CCJ or Free (probably need one fulltime ruck depth)
+ one of Pink, RHJ, Sellers, Drury, George, Harvey, Taylor

(controversially I'd have no qualms with delisting Stevo, but would be surprised if actually we did it)

Anyway, if we don't keep the two rookie spots, that's a minimum of 8. So probably at least three of the blue guys are gone.

I guess the other complication would be this - delisting any of Pink, RHJ, Drury, Free, Shiels, and Sellers doesn't free up senior list spots for the purposes of the national draft. So if we were looking at draft 4, we'd need at least three of Greenwood, Laz, CCJ, Taylor, Harvey, and Pink (plus TT) gone. More if we have trade targets.

 

[Carey4life]

Oh, I see what you mean.

So, assuming we draft at least 4 players, that's a minimum of 6 delistings.

So TT + Greenwood + Lazzaro + (probably) Shiels
+ one of CCJ or Free (probably need one fulltime ruck depth)
+ one of Pink, RHJ, Sellers, Drury, George, Harvey, Taylor

(controversially I'd have no qualms with delisting Stevo, but would be surprised if actually we did it)

Anyway, if we don't keep the two rookie spots, that's a minimum of 8. So probably at least three of the blue guys are gone.

I guess the other complication would be this - delisting any of Pink, RHJ, Drury, Free, Shiels, and Sellers doesn't free up senior list spots for the purposes of the national draft. So if we were looking at draft 4, we'd need at least three of Greenwood, Laz, CCJ, Taylor, Harvey, and Pink (plus TT) gone. More if we have trade targets.

George goes to the rookie list to free up a senior list spot if we're keeping him and need the senior spots.

 

[The Nostradamus]

I doubt we get to keep the extra rookie spots. If we don't, we have four extra players on our list so will need to delist or trade out at least 7 more than we bring in (though one of these could be pushing Brayden George back to the rookie list and upgrading Kallan Dawson).
I had thought that Phillips, Archer and Taylor would likely be gone, but their performances hopefully continue to rule that out. I think Pink, Biggie, RHJ and Sellers are the most likely to join your list.

I’d be surprised if we didn’t keep the extra 2 spots

Gc got to keep there’s for so long and had more wins

 

[cybercrab]

Really harsh but Harvey might get delisted, I just don't see any afl traits in him. He's too similar to our other forwards

 

[perplexed]

I’d be surprised if we didn’t keep the extra 2 spots

Gc got to keep there’s for so long and had more wins

Maybe. I think that's likely if we lose every week. I hope we'll have a good enough end to the year that it gets decided we don't need them.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Delist (7)
Toby Pink (r)
Hamish Free (r)
Hugh Greenwood

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Hugh Greenwood

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33

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190cm

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92kg

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16.9

4star

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8.8

3star

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8.1

5star

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2.3

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6.8

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4.6

5star

D

17.4

4star

K

10.4

4star

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7.0

4star

M

1.5

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8.9

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CL

5.6

5star

D

16.4

4star

K

8.6

4star

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7.8

5star

M

2.2

3star

T

7.6

5star

CL

4.4

5star

Tarryn Thomas

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Tarryn Thomas

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25

Ht

190cm

Wt

83kg

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Mid

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11.0

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

5.7

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2.1

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T

3.3

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0.9

3star

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7.8

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4.0

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3.8

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1.3

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3.2

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0.2

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12.8

4star

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6.2

3star

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6.6

4star

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2.8

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3.8

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0.4

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Liam Shiels

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Liam Shiels

Age

34

Ht

184cm

Wt

82kg

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Mid

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20.2

5star

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11.7

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8.5

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3.6

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5.9

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3.4

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17.4

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10.4

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7.0

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2.4

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4.1

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1.9

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12.2

3star

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6.8

3star

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5.4

4star

M

2.4

3star

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3.8

5star

(r)
Robert Hansen (r)
Drury - 1 year deal/ could be delisted (r)

And trade scott

I’ve got 7-8 gone depending on trading bailey

2 came in via MSD to fill rookie spots

5-6 spots left

Worth noting we started with 37 senior list and 7 rookie list

So we can actually change it next year to 38 and 6 Assuming we keep our extra 2 rookie spots which we should imo (eg delist an extra rookie and get a senior spot)

so if we do the above Delistings

It gives us 35 and 5
Or 34 and 5 if we trade bailey

That allows us 4 senior spots and 1 rookie

 

[Makeshift Park]

Delist (7)
Toby Pink (r)
Hamish Free (r)
Hugh Greenwood
Tarryn Thomas
Liam Shiels (r)
Robert Hansen (r)
Drury - 1 year deal/ could be delisted (r)

And trade scott

I’ve got 7-8 gone depending on trading bailey

2 came in via MSD to fill rookie spots

5-6 spots left

Worth noting we started with 37 senior list and 7 rookie list

So we can actually change it next year to 38 and 6 Assuming we keep our extra 2 rookie spots which we should imo (eg delist an extra rookie and get a senior spot)

so if we do the above Delistings

It gives us 35 and 5
Or 34 and 5 if we trade bailey

That allows us 4 senior spots and 1 rookie

I don't think Pink is a rookie.

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[The Nostradamus]

I don't think Pink is a rookie.

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Interesting frees up a senior list spot but same net affect so it means we started 38-6

Going with my above Delistings
Delist (7)
Toby Pink
Hamish Free (r)
Hugh Greenwood
Tarryn Thomas
Liam Shiels (r)
Robert Hansen (r)
Drury - 1 year deal/ could be delisted (r)

And trade scott

Then gives the same outcome of 34/35 senior list and 5 rookie list

Space for 3/4 senior list and 1 rookie list

 

[ferball]

TT, Greenwood, Shiels, Lazz, Free and CCJ, Sleevo could all go. Taylor would have to improve significantly imo. Cooper might be in trouble. Be harsh on Drury to sack him after doing his knee but that happened to Jack Mahony

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Jack Mahony

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24

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177cm

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73kg

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M/F

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8.4

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2.6

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5.8

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1.0

1star

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2.2

4star

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0.0

1star

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8.4

2star

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2.6

1star

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5.8

3star

M

1.0

1star

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2.2

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0.0

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8.4

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2.6

1star

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5.8

4star

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1.0

1star

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2.2

4star

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0.0

1star

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I'd be keeping Pink because he can chop out in the ruck and swing forward or back and has made a structural difference. I like his forward pressure too. Give him a year. Probably keep George too. RHJ is playing for his spot on the list over the rest of the season.

Really tho the AFL needs to increase list sizes, even with Tassie coming in.

You have to go back to 2018 to have a draft that went deep enough to get to the picks Larkey and Zerri were taken at. ie one year after X and two after souv. Both are easily in the top five for their position in the comp and genuinely in discussion for top three. Could both be ranked top of the comp for their position at some point in the next three seasons if we improve the way we should. (Tho Larkey will probably stay around 3-5.)

 

[Makeshift Park]

TT, Greenwood, Shiels, Lazz, Free and CCJ, Sleevo could all go.

I have no problem with this, so long as we line up someone who rucks better than Free and CCJ as a replacement.

If X goes down and we have to play Teakle full-time ruck, there goes our newfound forward structure.

 

[The Nostradamus]

CCJ is contracted he ain’t going anywhere

Will compete with teakle next year

 

[Makeshift Park]

CCJ is contracted he ain’t going anywhere

Will compete with teakle next year

We'd be trying to find creative ways to hit the salary cap floor. We can say with high confidence CCJ will not contribute meaningfully to our performance next year. We should pay out his contract and free up his list spot for someone who has a proper shot at being part of the team's future.

 

[Caracas]

If we continue on our present trajectory, I could well see CCJ becoming a far better option next season. He’s underperformed, that’s for sure. However, ultimately, I believe he has far more class than Pink and Teakle, who have both over-performed but have serious flaws, which I don’t believe will ho away. I could be wrong, I know. However, my money is on CCJ still. Pink and Teakle are absolute stop gaps.

 

[The Nostradamus]

If we continue on our present trajectory, I could well see CCJ becoming a far better option next season. He’s underperformed, that’s for sure. However, ultimately, I believe he has far more class than Pink and Teakle, whi have both over-performed but have serious flaws which I don’t believe will improve. I could be wrong, I know. However, my money is on CCJ still. Pink and Teakle are absolute stop gaps.

100%
Pink is the easy delist option

Not getting rid of a contracted CCJ who was their number preference for chf pre injury

 

[Makeshift Park]

If we continue on our present trajectory, I could well see CCJ becoming a far better option next season. He’s underperformed, that’s for sure. However, ultimately, I believe he has far more class than Pink and Teakle, who have both over-performed but have serious flaws, which I don’t believe will ho away. I could be wrong, I know. However, my money is on CCJ still. Pink and Teakle are absolute stop gaps.

I would be happily surprised if Pink or Teakle turn out to be anything more than stop gaps. But, their limitations notwithstanding, at least they've demonstrated the capacity to hold team structures and carry out specific roles within that structure. I've never seen CCJ demonstrate that.

 

[shinboner magic]

Really harsh but Harvey might get delisted, I just don't see any afl traits in him. He's too similar to our other forwards

What are you saying Harvey has no afl traits but is to similar to our other forwards.
So there’s more with no afl traits

 

[Caracas]

I would be happily surprised if Pink or Teakle turn out to be anything more than stop gaps. But, their limitations notwithstanding, at least they've demonstrated the capacity to hold team structures and carry out specific roles within that structure. I've never seen CCJ demonstrate that.

Agree.

 

[Fart Cummings]

Drury is gone I reckon, if Coopers last name wasnt Harvey I think he would be too but i feel he gets 1 more year.

 

[koshari]

If we continue on our present trajectory, I could well see CCJ becoming a far better option next season. He’s underperformed, that’s for sure. However, ultimately, I believe he has far more class than Pink and Teakle, who have both over-performed but have serious flaws, which I don’t believe will ho away. I could be wrong, I know. However, my money is on CCJ still. Pink and Teakle are absolute stop gaps.

Other than kicking a few on some chump out at frankstone i seriousely dont see where the ccj promise comes from. Bloke has a footy iq arguably slightly better than biggy, actually clogs the fwd line and cant bring if down for othere more mobile players and actually has no awareness. I work with a couple of tiggers fans and they still laugh out loud when recalling when we were hoodwinked into taking him.

And all this without even taking into effect potential degradation from the Achilles injury. On exposed form teakle has him in spades.