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God help anyone entering this thread for information on the Demons link to Dank.
Agree to disagree. As I have said before judges are fallible, make mistakes, and some of them are politically correct hacks.
LBJ6,
Specific players got identified as using AOD-9604, an experimental medical drug not approved for pharmaceutical use on humans use anywhere.
If you follow a plain reading of Section 0 of the 2012 WADA code, that says "Any pharmacological substance which is not addressed by any of the subsequent sections of the List and with no current approval by any governmental regulatory health authority for human therapeutic use (e.g drugs under pre-clinical or clinical development or discontinued, designer drugs, veterinary medicines) is prohibited at all times", then you're looking at evidence of Melbourne players using prohibited substances ... with the involvement of the team doctor.
Now, Stephen Dank SMS's Melbourne's team doctor that ASADA said AOD was OK, and they'd be sending an email to verify that.
Im pretty sure no one at MFC has a copy of that email. And it looks like the doctor didnt check with ASADA himself.
The involvement of the team doctor in doping makes this Festina-level bad.
Whats worse is that none of the players seem to have approached ASADA or the AFL about this, even though the Essendon and Cronulla investigations have been in the news.
Yeah and I suppose you believe in the stolen generation too?
You'd have to be an idiot not to.
Link to this info?
Just read the whole article, and the biggest thing in this is whether Bates has that e-mail from ASADA. Nowhere in the article did it suggest that he doesn't have it, and IanW is just presuming with his 'pretty sure'.
Eddie McGuire last night on BTB seemed 100% that no banned substances had been used but it was all about Melbourne not giving the AFL all the information.
Lets be clear about AOD, it is openly sold as a cream and that is how the texts suggest that Melbourne were using it. Saying it is not approved for human use is silly. Can you tell me which protein shake is approved for human use?
LBJ6,
All the other substances mentioned appear to pass S0 of the Wada code - Thymodulin (aka the calves blood at Manly) is apparently legal for pharmaceutical use in Italy and Cerebroylsin is legal for pharmaceutical use in Mexico - note legal for pharmaceutical use in Australia isnt important for Secion 0 ... it says 'any governmental regulatory health authority', which is a pretty low bar.
AOD doesnt, as it hasnt been passed for pharmaceutical use on humans anywhere.
If Bates had an email from ASADA, whether directly or via Dank, he'd have used it to save his job. Instead, what he has is an assurance from Stephen Dank.
But yeah, that email's pretty important. You'd expect, if it exists, someone will be able to find it, and then the club's next media release will use a phrase like 'we have a copy of written advice from ASADA that AOD-9604 was OK to use".
FWIW, I think Essendon have the same issue, of relying on an assurance from Stephen Dank that everything being used wont get their players banned for six months to two years.
So you are suggesting Essendon staff drew up and signed. consent forms stating all supplements where compliant with WADA but didnt check themselves?
Then Melbournes doctor just took Danks word for it?
Really?
Fishardian,
AOD-9604 is not a food. Its a drug.
It was designed as a drug, it was tested as a drug, it did human trials as a drug.
The manufacturer, Calzada, says its a drug.
Is it a safe drug ? Maybe.
But it's not a drug that is approved for human pharmacological use anywhere.
Mxett,
Yes. Really. Thats what I think.
Imagine Melbourne, or Essendon, Football Club had been professional about this, and had advice in writing from ASADA that AOD-9604, Thymosin Beta-4 or whatever were legal for athletes covered under the WADA code to use.
Do you think the club would have presented that evidence to the public by now ?
And thats why I think that the independent checking with ASADA never happened.
That's drawing a pretty long bow. No one besides you has suggested there is even a possibility Bates wouldn't have received the e-mail and Dank was lying about it.
Dank has been stepped aside as it is clear after the release of these text messages that he wasn't following reporting protocols at the club and disclosing all his information about his dealings with Dank.
Why would they present it to the public while in the middle of an investigation? Surely that information is between the clubs and ASADA? I'd suggest ASADA know the truth hence their pessimism about any case against Essendon, and the AFLPAs confidence.
Mxett,
You dont need to show the email. You just need to say 'The club believes, as per the advice issued to us by ASADA on 24 March 2012 at 11.13am, that AOD-9604 was not a prohibited substance under the WADA 2012 code'.
And that hasnt happened.
The Essendon football club havent said anything other than they won't speak until the investigation is over. Dank is the only one who has spoken and he has consistently said he cleared supplements through ASADA. The consent forms and email to Doc Reid suggest he was involved and it his his job as Essendon doctor to ensure this is the case, as it is the job of Doc Bates. If they failed in their roles then this could get ugly, but thats a huge call given its a major part of their role.
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This might explain why Melbourne have been so hopeless this year, a lot worse than expected. A lot of players are playing with big questions and worries on their minds and the club denying it all means it hasn't been galvanized like Essendon and it's players have been.
Effectively if Essendon and Melbourne have been given AOD9604 and it is proven then under the WADA code they breached the code.
My reading of this is WADA can ban players.
Well, Essendon employed Dank without doing a thorough background check on him.
I would have thought that was obvious, and the most likely situation.
Almost a certainty I would think.
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