Health Depression

[scotslad]

Models by Mark Manson saved my life. It's a dating book but it's actually a personal development book. Every other book, psychologist didn't work despite me agreeing with it. I couldn't sustain their advice and didn't progress enough. I could not care less if people knew my anxieties now.

Some of these self help bookso are good, what works for one individual might not work for others. I must try this book though and see if any good

 

[benchwarmer5]

I made a big post but held back
PM me if anyone wanna give me feed back on it or find it helpful

 

[nicky]

Have also heard people say good things about LSD and ketamine, in fact I believe they are doing studies on ketamine and depression.

U just have to be really careful with drugs, they may help in the short term but they can also go the other other way and make things worse.

Be smart.

Multidisciplinary association for psychedelic studies - MAPS http://www.maps.org/

MAPS conduct research into using various psychedelics for treating mental illness

Also anyone suffering from depression should consider taking very high quality multi B vitamins - or even getting an inramuscular B12 shot as well.

 

[HARKER]

I have my house on the market atm. So, the idea is to just sell up everything and travel - but is this an idea born of a sane, sound mind, am I depressed and running away or is this mania? This is the problem with 'making plans' - you can never be sure, the edge of paranoia is just THERE.

Every time I think the idea through....I end up in SF, at the Golden Gate bridge after a while.....it's just garbage, when you cannot even trust your own mind :/

And no mate, you aren't encouraging it.

Hey Sausages I don't care to patronise you or anyone else that suffers through the most difficult of times.

Is taking your life an answer, or possibly an unwanted addition to problems? Who ****ing knows for sure?
I'm all for euthanasia but not when things are tough but for when you've worked life out and are truly ready to let go.

I know that won't sit well with everyone, but if I wish for anything, it would be to leave with some knowing, true comfort and by way of considered decision.

Life can be tough and even tougher when you set out to meet others' expectations.
Lower your sights and one may find that even the most menial of things can truly be wonderful.......even if that is our own simple selves.

 

[nicky]

Very recently my oldest and dearest friend in the world took her own life. We considered each other family as we've known each other since birth. My parents met through her family, that kind of thing...

It is the most heartbreaking thing that I've gone through and don't know when/if it will make sense. This came so far from left field and hit like a million tonne of bricks. It was unexpected and am still in shock tbh.

I think that she died of a sickness rather than took her own life. Think of being in a burning building, you can stay and be burned alive or you can escape. As counter intuitive as this seems but taking your life is about survival.

There is a difference between idealising not being here any more and escaping from a situation in which you are being burned alive.

Just before she died she was asking me about various things regarding "looking after yourself" (in between laughing and joking around like we always did) - and so I bought her a book regarding diet/ anxiety/ depression etc.... however didn't get it to her before she died. Anyway, this has devastated her family and friends, it really is beyond words.

Anyone suffering depression, I urge you to look at things like diet, supplementation (like vitamin Bs, magnesium etc), exercise and meditation.

 

[Angus Young]

Is it just me or is depression becoming more and more prevalent?

Maybe we as a society are just more aware/educated now.

 

[Sausages]

Hey Sausages I don't care to patronise you or anyone else that suffers through the most difficult of times.

Is taking your life an answer, or possibly an unwanted addition to problems? Who ******* knows for sure?
I'm all for euthanasia but not when things are tough but for when you've worked life out and are truly ready to let go.

I know that won't sit well with everyone, but if I wish for anything, it would be to leave with some knowing, true comfort and by way of considered decision.

Life can be tough and even tougher when you set out to meet others' expectations.
Lower your sights and one may find that even the most menial of things can truly be wonderful.......even if that is our own simple selves.

I have actually emailed Philip Nitschke's organisation who are based in Darwin regarding assisted suicide. Not surprisingly, they haven't responded. I also emailed the QLD Health Minister and the Premier regarding my insistence that I should be able to voluntarily finish things without resorting to the knife. This was prior to my second to last hospital admission, some weeks ago.

As for meeting the expectations of others...mate, I agree to a point. I'm not sure though where others' expectations of me cross over into my own expectations of me - consider the support and urging one gets at school, the whole "can do better" type thing, or, as in my case, achieving at a high performance school and then not going on with it. Where does my own internal dialogue begin? I don't know.

But, I'm still here. And maybe that's a start.

Very recently my oldest and dearest friend in the world took her own life. We considered each other family as we've known each other since birth. My parents met through her family, that kind of thing...

It is the most heartbreaking thing that I've gone through and don't know when/if it will make sense. This came so far from left field and hit like a million tonne of bricks. It was unexpected and am still in shock tbh.

I think that she died of a sickness rather than took her own life. Think of being in a burning building, you can stay and be burned alive or you can escape. As counter intuitive as this seems but taking your life is about survival.

There is a difference between idealising not being here any more and escaping from a situation in which you are being burned alive.

Just before she died she was asking me about various things regarding "looking after yourself" (in between laughing and joking around like we always did) - and so I bought her a book regarding diet/ anxiety/ depression etc.... however didn't get it to her before she died. Anyway, this has devastated her family and friends, it really is beyond words.

Anyone suffering depression, I urge you to look at things like diet, supplementation (like vitamin Bs, magnesium etc), exercise and meditation.

Yeah, I get the analogy here. Not that you directed the post in my direction specifically, but the burning building isn't such a poor description. Sometimes, just...life....overcomes you when you are down. Just the THOUGHT of ANOTHER day, just like today, seemingly ad infinitum, is enough to bring tears to your eyes. The idea of living with regret, mistakes, loss....it can so quickly overwhelm you and the knot of burning icy fire in the stomach stabs directly towards your heart, which is breaking. And yeah, at that point - it is so ****ing hard to resist the urge to finish yourself off, just for some relief.

She was clearly suffering in silence, like so many of us do - and even those of us who speak about it end up almost as bad. Yesterday I was told by my parents "Don't call us anymore, we can't deal with it, we'll call you". Oh the lols. My sister said the same thing last week. So, scratch family support off the list.

 

[scotslad]

Is it just me or is depression becoming more and more prevalent?

Maybe we as a society are just more aware/educated now.

Your right, it could be that we have become more aware of it because of internet/social media. or on the other hand our material needs have increased and that our perceptions need to be adjusted as we have too many material demands.

 

[Perth gal]

Feel so depressed today. Feel so isolated and lonely. Hate the weekends. Sick of feeling this way.

 

[Mootsy]

Feel so depressed today. Feel so isolated and lonely. Hate the weekends. Sick of feeling this way.

I feel the same and I'm definitely not isolated or alone..

You can actually feel the same way around a lot of people as you can when you're alone...

There are three people at work where I can actually have fun and share a joke with, that's the only time I don't feel alone, when our ego is left at the door and we can all just talk without fear or worry or faking, we can be silly, not feel intimidated and be ourselves..

Everywhere else just feels like a strange circus.

 

[HARKER]

Feel so depressed today. Feel so isolated and lonely. Hate the weekends. Sick of feeling this way.

Which part are you sick of Perth gal ?

A great friend of mine who suffers quite a bit, hates the weekends because families seem to be having a good time and he now feels left out of that joy, for circumstances that may be somewhat obvious.

Nothing I an say here that will make you feel all the better and as much as we are creatures that require attention, love, approval, it's just as rewarding to simply be happy in one-self......Not easy to do, but once we strip the societal pressures, it's amazing how simple life can be.....through all it's complexities.

I know this will sound crazy, but I enjoy being forced to face some truths, even if they sadden me.
The most interesting people I know in life all have issues, but at least they're honest.......and what an underrated trait that is.

 

[Run n Spread]

I am seriously about to pop. It is getting to the point where I simply need to move into a caravan with no land lord/drop ins/real estate/room mates to bother me and live as I see fit. Too much stress. It is literally killing me. (And I wouldn't have to travel in peak hour either).

 

[Billy ray]

I am seriously about to pop. It is getting to the point where I simply need to move into a caravan with no land lord/drop ins/real estate/room mates to bother me and live as I see fit. Too much stress. It is literally killing me. (And I wouldn't have to travel in peak hour either).

ifthats what you need to do, do it. go to a caravan. just hang in there buddy

 

[Run n Spread]

ifthats what you need to do, do it. go to a caravan. just hang in there buddy

Thanks man. Hung in for years now time for action.

 

[Jcpdragonx]

I am a warrior.
I endure, when others fall.
On this field,
the wolves surround me,
baying for blood,
hounding me until I fall.
But I will not fall, wolves...
For the blood of kings
runs in my veins.
Dripping to the ground,
red, the colour of valour
and of victory.
So come, wolves...
and meet my teeth.
Cornered, with none to
succour 'cept myself.
I will prevail.
Though the future
be uncertain,
I will seek the daffodils
to scent,
and the bees
to chase,
in the sunlight.

I think too much of your energy goes into anything depression related. Perhaps putting time into anything else like a hobby or finding a new hobby can help.

You can list your fears, no matter the magnitude, and write down the actions that will help. E.g. if you don't like being seen in public, you can believe you are capable of it (visualize it in your head) and you can go for a walk down the street or something (for examples sake).

Hope any of this helps.

 

[Jcpdragonx]

Anyone suffering depression, I urge you to look at things like diet, supplementation (like vitamin Bs, magnesium etc), exercise and meditation.

Amen.

95% of the brains neurotransmitters are in the gut, if you don't get the right stuff in you then your gut tells your brain your feeling unwell.

80% of the immune system is in the gut. Can't fight off illness if you consume lots of bad sugars.

I am biased but I always suggest seeing people should Natropath who can identify deficiencies and then help you take the next step (diet and good quality supplements). GPs are a waste of time if your eating poorly, they'll give you drugs which **** up your gut.

 

[nicky]

Amen.

95% of the brains neurotransmitters are in the gut, if you don't get the right stuff in you then your gut tells your brain your feeling unwell.

80% of the immune system is in the gut. Can't fight off illness if you consume lots of bad sugars.

I am biased but I always suggest seeing people should Natropath who can identify deficiencies and then help you take the next step (diet and good quality supplements). GPs are a waste of time if your eating poorly, they'll give you drugs which **** up your gut.

I agree with this post. Physiology is crucial to feeling good. Should be the first thing one considers.

However your previous post is a bit polly anna and insensitive . It's obvious your heart is in the right place but i can see how that post could make the guy feel worse.

 

[Sausages]

So, as the year draws to a close.....I'm still alive. +1, eh?

Since the start of November, I gave up alcohol - the depressive side effects of a few beers are well documented, but....well, when all you want to be is normal, having a few beers is considered normal, so I was trying to get that square peg into the round hole....to my constant demise. Have been feeling better, got the ball rolling with Centrelink about a referral to a disability employment service which will occur early in the new year, writing more. So, some positives.

On the negative side...lots of stuff, but I'm keeping it in perspective.

For all you blokes suffering, I've said it elsewhere - you just need to keep trucking, keep fighting. Depression/anxiety, bi-polar mood swings....it's like a batsman at the crease. At some point, the bowling gets tighter, the ball starts moving and you need to fight through it, maybe not score many runs, but keep your wicket intact. The batting will get easier at some point. That's how I look at my life now, that RIGHT NOW things are tough, but I just need to battle through it and wait for the better days which I hope (trust? pray? believe?) lie ahead.

If any of you are really doing it tough, flick me a message and I'll help as I can. And thanks to the posters just above me for their thoughts, I read them all and meditate on them, all good

 

[Mootsy]

Thanks sausages but I'm not doing great..your post really helps though..

Amen.

95% of the brains neurotransmitters are in the gut, if you don't get the right stuff in you then your gut tells your brain your feeling unwell.

80% of the immune system is in the gut. Can't fight off illness if you consume lots of bad sugars.

I am biased but I always suggest seeing people should Natropath who can identify deficiencies and then help you take the next step (diet and good quality supplements). GPs are a waste of time if your eating poorly, they'll give you drugs which **** up your gut.

One of the smartest posts I've read on the internet that hardly ever gets mentioned.

 

[Upgrayedd]

I hit a point recently where i actually broke down with a friend while i was having a chat. She was a bit worried about my alcohol use. Ive finally found the will to kick ass again

Recent issues with my long term relationship going down the shitter and weight gain (in 6 years ive gone from 115 to 80. To 96 to 82 back upto 106) from mixing 1.25 litre coke with half a bottle of rum a night and ciders. Getting mcdonalds due to not really wanting to go to the shops and interact ect.

I ended up just drinking myself to just be able to numb myself so i could sleep

I know it sounds weak. But 3 days sober. Longest its been since march last year.

The lack of sleep is killing me. However i have found someone i can talk to openly about what i feel. Which has been a great feeling of release

Bit of an update

99 right now, 3 game of basketball a week,

Im actually really happy my younger brother identified i was really mentally and physically ****ed, Picked me up and just spend a bit of time with me. I've always had a pretty average relationship with him He's actually completely punched me in the face infront of my mum, I was a bit of a campaigner to him, His girlfriend cant stand me (she's pretty "proper english") and gets pissy when he spent time with me. He got me jogging with me and just having a social beer and keeping some of my "down time" he told me he was in the dog house for deciding not to ditch a run with me when his GF wanted him home asap for cooking dinner.

Im probably forever grateful for that. Comming from ****ing hating eachother and moving out when i was 18 because we would honestly almost get into fist fights (once on a regional team basketball court and both getting 2 game bans) to being the only guy willing to help me build myself up, spend time with me and helping me

Havent touched a drop unless in social situation, havent been absoute mess, yeah been drunk but absolutely in control, In a really healthy relationship (she's all for me chasing things i want to do insted of staying in a shit job for safety) Stopped spending 160+ on alcohol and 150 bucks on weed a week,

Im actually really good, I do get shitty now and then but thats just me and ive had that since i was 12. I havent had any really down periods longer then a day.

So i feel im all good. I know i do have support around me wanting me to be the best i can be. Which is something i feel i didnt really have

 

[Upgrayedd]

Amen.

95% of the brains neurotransmitters are in the gut, if you don't get the right stuff in you then your gut tells your brain your feeling unwell.

80% of the immune system is in the gut. Can't fight off illness if you consume lots of bad sugars.

I am biased but I always suggest seeing people should Natropath who can identify deficiencies and then help you take the next step (diet and good quality supplements). GPs are a waste of time if your eating poorly, they'll give you drugs which **** up your gut.

This

Went from Take aways 4-5 times a week, amazing what spending 5 minutes a day making a ****ing still unhealthy samwich and maybe splurging on a packet of small shitty fatty chips then take away will make you feel better

 

[Shane Hird]

I've posted here before about this incredible book and how Dale Carnegie's
words and advice have helped me conquer worry, stress and depression in my life.

I'm In my 40s now and after 20 years since I first read it, I still take it out of the bookcase once a month and spend an hour flicking through and reading chapters.

If you're struggling with life and things constantly swamp you and bring you down to a state of anxiety, stress and worry...get this book and read it.

You can order it online for about $15 and it will be the best $15 you'll ever spend.


If you are on the dole or a struggling student and money is tight..I'll buy you a copy and mail it to you. Just pm me with your details and I'll buy it for you.

That's how important this book is to me.

I've lived my last 20 years living by some of the advice in this book.
Especially the first one in bolded letters.

Something worrying you?
Think of the worst thing that could happen from the thing you're worried about and prepare for it to happen in the back of your mind.

Put that little nugget aside for awhile and GET BUSY solving your problem. I guarantee that
9 times out of 10 the thing you're worried about never actually eventuates.

Worried, stressed, depressed?
Get busy and do something that requires movement and work.
Doesn't matter what is you're brooding about, just get busy on your feet and keep going to its time to go to bed. By then you'll be that tired you'll fall asleep in minutes and the brain gets a well deserved rest.

We are not designed to sit still and stress about life. Sitting still or laying down turning things over and over in your mind will lead to sickness, skin outbreaks, migraines, tooth ache and many other Heath problems.

Trust me , I've been through it all and come out the other side in rays of sunshine.

Today is the only thing that matters. The past doesn't matter. Past events and feelings are gone forever and all that's left is memories in your mind.

Hope this post helps you. I can honestly say that Carnegie's books (especially this one) is the main reason I'm sane, happy and content with the world in my now mid 40s.

Here's some of my favourite quotes from the book. Quotes that run through my mind on a daily basis and help me defeat the monster that is ' the negative attitude'.

I must say I'm a life long atheist and I don't pray for anything in life.

But I understand and appreciate the power of the mind and how one can use prayer to focus on positive, empowering thoughts.

A lot of Dale Carnegie's stories about people who have conquered worry and stress is about how they used prayer and meditation to keep on the right track of positive thinking.

If that's for you, go for it in every way, embrace that energy and charge full steam ahead in pursuit of eliminating your problems and worries in life.













1. Ask yourself, “What is the worst that can possibly happen?” 2. Prepare to accept it if you have to. 3. Then calmly proceed to improve on the worst.




Today is our most precious possession. It is our only sure possession

...the best possible way to prepare for tomorrow is to concentrate with all your intelligence, all your enthusiasm, on doing today's work superbly today. That is the only possible way you can prepare for the future.

You can sing only what you are. You can paint only what you are. You must be what your experiences, your environment, and your heredity have made you. For better or for worse, you must play your own little instrument in the orchestra of life.

when the fierce, burning winds blow over our lives-and we cannot prevent them-let us, too, accept the inevitable. And then get busy and pick up the pieces.

When we are harassed and reach the limit of our own strength, many of us then turn in desperation to God-"There are no atheists in foxholes." But why wait till we are desperate? Why not renew our strength every day? Why wait even until Sunday? For years I have had the habit of dropping into empty churches on weekday afternoons.
When I feel that I am too rushed and hurried to spare a few minutes to think about spiritual things, I say to myself: "Wait a minute, Dale Carnegie, wait a minute. Why all the feverish hurry and rush, little man? You need to pause and acquire a little perspective." At such times, I frequently drop into the first church that I find open.
Although I am a Protestant, I frequently, on weekday afternoons, drop into St. Patrick's Cathedral on Fifth Avenue, and remind myself that I'll be dead in another thirty years, but that the great spiritual truths that all churches teach are eternal. I close my eyes and pray. I find that doing this calms my nerves, rests my body, clarifies my perspective, and helps me revalue my values. May I recommend this practice to you?

The words "Think and Thank" are inscribed in many of the Cromwellian churches of
England. These words ought to be inscribed in our hearts, too: "Think and Thank". Think
of all we have to be grateful for, and thank God for all our boons and bounties.

One of the most tragic things I know about human nature is that all of us tend to put off living. We are all dreaming of some magical rose garden over the horizon—instead of enjoying the roses that are blooming outside our windows today.


As you and I march across the decades of time, we are going to meet a lot of unpleasant situations that are so. They cannot be otherwise. We have our choice. We can either accept them as inevitable and adjust ourselves to them, or we can ruin our lives with rebellion and maybe end up with a nervous breakdown.


I realize now that people are not thinking about you and me or caring what is said about us. They are thinking about themselves—before breakfast, after breakfast, and right on until ten minutes past midnight. They would be a thousand times more concerned about a slight headache of their own than they would about the news of your death or mine.

The child says, ‘When I am a big boy.’ But what is that? The big boy says, ‘When I grow up.’ And then, grown up, he says, ‘When I get married.’ But to be married, what is that after all? The thought changes to ‘When I’m able to retire.’ And then, when retirement comes, he looks back over the landscape traversed; a cold wind seems to sweep over it; somehow he has missed it all, and it is gone. Life, we learn too late, is in the living, in the tissue of every day and hour.

The secret of being miserable is to have the leisure to bother about whether you are happy or not.” Keep active, keep busy!

There is only one way to happiness,” Epictetus taught the Romans, “and that is to cease worrying about things which are beyond the power of our will.

If you and I go around grumbling about ingratitude, who is to blame? Is it human nature—or is it our ignorance of human nature? Let’s not expect gratitude. Then, if we get some occasionally, it will come as a delightful surprise. If we don’t get it, we won’t be disturbed. Here is the first point I am trying to make in this chapter: It is natural for people to forget to be grateful; so, if we go around expecting gratitude, we are headed straight for a lot of heartaches.

A third of the people who rush to psychiatrists for help could probably cure themselves if they could only do as Margaret Yates did: get interested in helping others. My idea? No, that is approximately what Carl Jung said. And he ought to know—if anybody does. He said: “About one third of my patients are suffering from no clinically definable neurosis, but from the senselessness and emptiness of their lives.” To put it another way, they are trying to thumb a ride through life—and the parade passes them by. So they rush to a psychiatrist with their petty, senseless, useless lives. Having missed the boat, they stand on the wharf, blaming everyone except themselves and demanding that the world cater to their self-centerness.

Shut off the past! Let the dead past bury its dead. . . . Shut out the yesterdays which have lighted fools the way to dusty death. . . . The load of tomorrow, added to that of yesterday, carried today, makes the strongest falter. Shut off the future as tightly as the past. . . . The future is today. . . . There is no tomorrow.


1. Get the facts. 2. Analyze the facts. 3. Arrive at a decision—and then act on that decision Obvious stuff? Yes, Aristotle taught it—and used it. And you and I must use it too if we are going to solve the problems that are harassing us and turning our days and nights into veritable hells. Let’s take the first rule: Get the facts. Why is it so important to get the facts? Because unless we have the facts we can’t possibly even attempt to solve our problem intelligently. Without the facts, all we can do is stew around in confusion. My idea? No, that was the idea of the late Herbert E. Hawkes, Dean of Columbia College, Columbia University, for twenty-two years. He had helped two hundred thousand students solve their worry problems; and he told me that “confusion is the chief cause of worry.” He put it this way—he said: “Half the worry in the world is caused by people trying to make decisions before they have sufficient knowledge on which to base a decision. For example,” he said, “if I have a problem which has to be faced at three o’clock next Tuesday, I refuse to even try to make a decision about it until next Tuesday arrives. In the meantime, I concentrate on getting all the facts that bear on the problem. I don’t worry,” he said. “I don’t agonize over my problem. I don’t lose any sleep. I simply concentrate on getting the facts. And by the time Tuesday rolls around, if I’ve got all the facts the problem usually solves itself

I had the blues because I had no shoes, Until upon the street, I met a man who had no feet.


Our main business is not to see what lies dimly at a distance, but to do what lies clearly at hand.

 

[scotslad]

Bit of an update

99 right now, 3 game of basketball a week,

Im actually really happy my younger brother identified i was really mentally and physically stuffed, Picked me up and just spend a bit of time with me. I've always had a pretty average relationship with him He's actually completely punched me in the face infront of my mum, I was a bit of a campaigner to him, His girlfriend cant stand me (she's pretty "proper english") and gets pissy when he spent time with me. He got me jogging with me and just having a social beer and keeping some of my "down time" he told me he was in the dog house for deciding not to ditch a run with me when his GF wanted him home asap for cooking dinner.

Im probably forever grateful for that. Comming from ******* hating eachother and moving out when i was 18 because we would honestly almost get into fist fights (once on a regional team basketball court and both getting 2 game bans) to being the only guy willing to help me build myself up, spend time with me and helping me

Havent touched a drop unless in social situation, havent been absoute mess, yeah been drunk but absolutely in control, In a really healthy relationship (she's all for me chasing things i want to do insted of staying in a shit job for safety) Stopped spending 160+ on alcohol and 150 bucks on weed a week,

Im actually really good, I do get shitty now and then but thats just me and ive had that since i was 12. I havent had any really down periods longer then a day.

So i feel im all good. I know i do have support around me wanting me to be the best i can be. Which is something i feel i didnt really have

Its amazing how even doing an activity, any activity can uplift your mood. It's all about keeping yourself pre-occupied. If your mopping around and not doing much then it feeds off the depression as you have too much time on your hands.

 

[MP_]

I hate the fact that everything in my life should be so good but I have this negative mindset that takes over and beats me down, I'm so over feeling alone in life but surrounded by many people

 

[Watchyourwaite]

Anxiety and depression.
Had some pretty serious stuff happen recently. Found out I can't handle reality as well as I thought.
Just waking up out of a 3 day bender... have the shakes and just all round scared out of my mind. Can't even focus on what I'm so scared of. Mix of tears, anger, and sick to my stomach. Just want to drink more to escape this, but I'm out. And the bottleos are shut, and I couldn't handle a nightclub or being in public. Probably still over the limit so can't drive anyway.
Anyone been here before? Any advice?