Health Depression

[Run n Spread]

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chin up? is a bit hard to do when you can't get out of bed with debilitating depression.

If he has some energy then yes, try good things but if he is suffering clinical depression then chinning up won't work.

Yeah I'm not one for false chin ups but you can't lie in bed for weeks on end. A day or 2 yes. Best thing I could offer is don't get up. Don't plan anything. Then after a while you may wake up of your own accord and start planning from there. Difficult with work and responsibilities I know but you need a block of time alone and without unnecessary stress at times.

 

[nicky]

Yeah I'm not one for false chin ups but you can't lie in bed for weeks on end. A day or 2 yes. Best thing I could offer is don't get up. Don't plan anything. Then after a while you may wake up of your own accord and start planning from there. Difficult with work and responsibilities I know but you need a block of time alone and without unnecessary stress at times.

you can lie in bed for weeks if you can't get out of bed. This is my point. Unfortunately depression like this doesn't have a time limit.

 

[Run n Spread]

............... rant about shit no one is interested in. Time to weather the storm again.

you can lie in bed for weeks if you can't get out of bed. This is my point. Unfortunately depression like this doesn't have a time limit.

Time limit? It is incurable. It always lurks. 1 crisis away. 1 slip away. Manage as best you can. Don't get out of bed if that is what it takes. Someone once said I played for sympathy. I want none. I just want to be left alone. I don't care about expectations, pissy social hierarchies, work, other. I want to live to enjoy what is good in life. And I will. If that means I'm unemployed, disliked, whatever (personal example) determine your own destiny.

I actually think 100% of people surely must experience real depression. Really they must. (I wish there was a tag you could wear, am depressed quarantined. Leave me the **** alone.) It is just more serve in some that others.

Thank **** for Big Footy. I can vent here and just try and be left alone in Real Life.

 

[Run n Spread]

Very recently my oldest and dearest friend in the world took her own life. We considered each other family as we've known each other since birth. My parents met through her family, that kind of thing...

It is the most heartbreaking thing that I've gone through and don't know when/if it will make sense. This came so far from left field and hit like a million tonne of bricks. It was unexpected and am still in shock tbh.

I think that she died of a sickness rather than took her own life. Think of being in a burning building, you can stay and be burned alive or you can escape. As counter intuitive as this seems but taking your life is about survival.

There is a difference between idealising not being here any more and escaping from a situation in which you are being burned alive.

Just before she died she was asking me about various things regarding "looking after yourself" (in between laughing and joking around like we always did) - and so I bought her a book regarding diet/ anxiety/ depression etc.... however didn't get it to her before she died. Anyway, this has devastated her family and friends, it really is beyond words.

Anyone suffering depression, I urge you to look at things like diet, supplementation (like vitamin Bs, magnesium etc), exercise and meditation.

Sorry about your friend. Sometimes life does suck. Really sorry that happened.

 

[Coolangatta]

Anyone else welcome death with open arms? I won't kill myself, but let's just say if a big meteor was headed for Perth sometimes I feel like I'd crack a smile and open a bottle of Jack and enjoy the impending impact, knowing I won't have to think or exist anymore. There's something comforting about death.

 

[IKE TURNER]

Anxiety and depression.
Had some pretty serious stuff happen recently. Found out I can't handle reality as well as I thought.
Just waking up out of a 3 day bender... have the shakes and just all round scared out of my mind. Can't even focus on what I'm so scared of. Mix of tears, anger, and sick to my stomach. Just want to drink more to escape this, but I'm out. And the bottleos are shut, and I couldn't handle a nightclub or being in public. Probably still over the limit so can't drive anyway.
Anyone been here before? Any advice?

yes that great Australian tradition: when angry sad depressed nervous upset just drown yourself in alcohol which is just like putting fuel on the fire with alcohols depressive qualaties, even though sometimes you think things cant possibly get worse with alcohol things probably will-even if it peps you up for a little window of 'happiness'.

 

[Run n Spread]

I happened to go to a lecture the other day based on Anxiety and Depression and it was one of the best lectures I have been to and I wanted to share it with you awesome people

To try and condense the lecture into a little bit he was talking about how back in 1990 the World health Organisation said that Mental Health is going to be the cause of suicide in a very big way by the year 2020. Now the fact that we are in 2017 and suicide is the second biggest killer after heart attacks is very scary, they predicted it accurately.

Some of the causes which I totally agree with is that social media has a huge effect on people. People go onto Facebook/Twitter, read about other peoples lives and feel that they are leading a better life and this puts people into a state of depression.

Also back in 1945 even though people came back off a second world war, many lost their lives, many lost their loved ones and many lost their homes however people were happier back then that what they are today.

This raised a very important question in my mind, why is that? We have all the luxuries today that people never used to back then, If you want to call someone, you pick up your mobile phone, you call them, you go into whatsapp, or even skype regardless of where they are in the world, people didnt have that luxury back then, people had to write a letter to their loved ones to see how they were.
More people have jobs today compared to back then, women work now as well which wasnt the case back then, we have access to the Internet will all the information that we want which wasnt the case back then and yet why are we so depressed today?

I feel its because our expectations have increased too, we expect to have more, we want more and not happy with what we already have and I think this is the problem, Social media doesnt help our cause but if we recognise these symptoms then we can be on the road to recovery i feel. I have already implemented these ideologies and feel its really helped me.

i have curbed my expectations and stopped comparing myself to what other people have, they may very well have certain things that you envy but then you might have something they dont.

What do you guys think? I would be interested in your thoughts on this?

Having spoken to a person very closely affected by both WWs it had very very real effects. It was not pleasant at all and whatever circumstances came about after were paid with an alarmingly high price. War reflects the worst of humanity and any idiot declaring war on anything needs to be treated with high caution.

As to the rest of your post. I think life (day to day not War or catastrophic event) is getting harder and struggles are real. Yes there are others in Australia and Overseas who live in abject poverty and are basically destitute. It sucks.

However many here are at a delicate point and there are real pressures, real circumstance and real suffering. There are many reasons and everyone has their opinion (me included) but problems 2017 are not First World, they are real.

Social Media has f all to do with it IMO.

 

[Run n Spread]

yes that great Australian tradition: when angry sad depressed nervous upset just drown yourself in alcohol which is just like putting fuel on the fire with alcohols depressive qualaties, even though sometimes you think things cant possibly get worse with alcohol things probably will-even if it peps you up for a little window of 'happiness'.

Great French tradition. Great British tradition? You been to Asia recently and seen the cheap booze on offer? Humans drink/imbile get over it.

Although you are on the money. There is an edge to Australian Drinking that is unpleasant and aggressive.

 

[HARKER]

Anyone else welcome death with open arms? I won't kill myself, but let's just say if a big meteor was headed for Perth sometimes I feel like I'd crack a smile and open a bottle of Jack and enjoy the impending impact, knowing I won't have to think or exist anymore. There's something comforting about death.

Probably not the best place to put this type post in, but really....what's to fear?
Life can be all sorts of things to all sorts of people, but the truth is that none of us know much about the start or about the end of life.

In the meantime, we get told that life is about being happy and enjoying it.....is that really it?
Nothing wrong with not being part of the 'happy set' and as shit as it is going through bouts of depression, I find that there's something pure and honest about it also. I know....that's easy to say and hard to do, but it can be done.
Don't feel out of lifes loop because you're not participating in the way, seemingly most others are. You may actually be ahead of the curve.

 

[Run n Spread]

Probably not the best place to put this type post in, but really....what's to fear?
Life can be all sorts of things to all sorts of people, but the truth is that none of us know much about the start or about the end of life.

In the meantime, we get told that life is about being happy and enjoying it.....is that really it?
Nothing wrong with not being part of the 'happy set' and as shit as it is going through bouts of depression, I find that there's something pure and honest about it also. I know....that's easy to say and hard to do, but it can be done.
Don't feel out of lifes loop because you're not participating in the way, seemingly most others are. You may actually be ahead of the curve.

Respectfully did disagree. Happiness and Sadness are normal human emotions. Like grief, anger, hunger etc. Depression is different. Whatever thou maybe that is normal as well.

**** it. Just live.

 

[HARKER]

Respectfully did disagree. Happiness and Sadness are normal human emotions. Like grief, anger, hunger etc. Depression is different. Whatever thou maybe that is normal as well.

**** it. Just live.

I know what I'm talking about having had depression in and out.
I'm not saying that my motif is for everyone, but when one does come to terms with some truths, things can become somewhat easier.
There isn't much you can do about clinical depression other than to understand it and work out a plan against it, but many of modern day pressures are brought about by things that really don't matter.

Give yourself a break and trust you can be the person you want to be for yourself with no-one else to please. The relief that can be achieved by this alone is amazing. Nothing to fear, no one to fear, no one to live up to but just being true to self.

 

[Run n Spread]

I know what I'm talking about having had depression in and out.
I'm not saying that my motif is for everyone, but when one does come to terms with some truths, things can become somewhat easier.
There isn't much you can do about clinical depression other than to understand it and work out a plan against it, but many of modern day pressures are brought about by things that really don't matter.

Give yourself a break and trust you can be the person you want to be for yourself with no-one else to please. The relief that can be achieved by this alone is amazing. Nothing to fear, no one to fear, no one to live up to but just being true to self.

On a re read tend to agree.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

Anyone else welcome death with open arms? I won't kill myself, but let's just say if a big meteor was headed for Perth sometimes I feel like I'd crack a smile and open a bottle of Jack and enjoy the impending impact, knowing I won't have to think or exist anymore. There's something comforting about death.

Yep.

 

[Coolangatta]

Hmm, I've changed my mind since my last comment. I'm young, it would suck if I died this year because I haven't experienced everything that I want to experience. I think young people have more reason to fear death than older people. Not death itself, but the fear of what you won't experience. I still don't fear death itself. If nothing happens, I won't be around to complain or even contemplate it. If something does happen and I think this is extremely unlikely, then cool, new adventure.

 

[HARKER]

Hmm, I've changed my mind since my last comment. I'm young, it would suck if I died this year because I haven't experienced everything that I want to experience. I think young people have more reason to fear death than older people. Not death itself, but the fear of what you won't experience. I still don't fear death itself. If nothing happens, I won't be around to complain or even contemplate it. If something does happen and I think this is extremely unlikely, then cool, new adventure.

Good for you Coolangatta

Never easy when everything around you seems to be closing in, but it's O.K. to rip off a Good Will Hunting quote in that......"It's not your fault"
Back that up with a "I know it's shit for me right now as I know it is for many others, but I can and will make things better" and you start forming a plan that will get you through.

Go all you good people.

 

[Coolangatta]

Good for you Coolangatta

Never easy when everything around you seems to be closing in, but it's O.K. to rip off a Good Will Hunting quote in that......"It's not your fault"
Back that up with a "I know it's shit for me right now as I know it is for many others, but I can and will make things better" and you start forming a plan that will get you through.

Go all you good people.

Thanks man.

 

[HARKER]

Thanks man.

No. Thank you.

 

[IKE TURNER]

is depression genetic ie: some people will get it eventually no matter what or does certain stressful situations bring it on or can be both ?

 

[Lemma]

It doesn't mean you will get it certainly but it means you could be more predisposed to it

 

[craigos]

It doesn't mean you will get it certainly but it means you could be more predisposed to it

Crazy isn't it. The chances of you, being you and just making it to being "alive" in the womb are astronomical. Then, through zero fault of your own you could be born into a abusive family, family with history of cancer/alcoholism/drug dependency/mental health issue etc etc and that cycle will continue, through no fault of your own when you have children.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Anyone else welcome death with open arms? I won't kill myself, but let's just say if a big meteor was headed for Perth sometimes I feel like I'd crack a smile and open a bottle of Jack and enjoy the impending impact, knowing I won't have to think or exist anymore. There's something comforting about death.

Welcome with open arms? Depends. At times, definitely. And I can't say I would bother trying to fight it. When it happens, I just hope its not slow and painful. If its tonight, so much the better.

As for the other, at times the only thing that has stopped me from killing myself is that I'm too much of a coward. Fact is, that even on my best days, if the topic is mentioned or I start thinking about it in anyway, I know it is the right thing to to do by everyone.

 

[Perth gal]

Welcome with open arms? Depends. At times, definitely. And I can't say I would bother trying to fight it. When it happens, I just hope its not slow and painful. If its tonight, so much the better.

As for the other, at times the only thing that has stopped me from killing myself is that I'm too much of a coward. Fact is, that even on my best days, if the topic is mentioned or I start thinking about it in anyway, I know it is the right thing to to do by everyone.

Wow. What's up?

 

[jedi mind tricks]

I've posted on here a number of times and have made positive changes to my life that have worked for me.

Change of work and outlook on life plus reconnecting with things I love have helped. Plus appreciating what I have instead of what I want in life.

If anyone who is doing it tough wants to chat feel free to pm me. It's often easier to chat to a person in private. Especially a stranger.

Some of the posters comments I've read lately has made me concerned for their wellbeing. Remember their are people out there prepared to help you.

Peace

 

[nicky]

I think part of the problem today is there is a collective delusion that life is about being happy so if you're not happy then you're failing. I think life is about feeling and accepting the whole gamut of human emotions.

Like, if I walked into work bawling my eyes out it would be a problem for everyone in the office (not for me because i love crying as it releases stuff. Not being able to cry is like not being able to orgasm - i'm in trouble, ie. depressed, if i cannot cry). Point being that people want to save or fix someone when they are crying because crying undermines this bullshit notion that we are supposed to be happy all the time.

Repression is the sociably acceptable thing to do. I grew up in a family that would say "don't cry" - which is a ridiculous thing to say to a child or to anyone. I cry all the time and even the other day i was on the phone to my mum and she said, "don't cry" - I was like, "don't tell me not to cry, i like crying, it releases stuff". I feel pretty good after a good cry.

When my friend passed away, i wrote a post on fb, which consisted of a nice tribute to my friend and how blessed i was to have had her in my life. This woman, whom i've met once in my life, responded with something along the lines of 'your friend would want you to be happy - blah blah blah' and proceeded to lecture me on what life is about and what i should be doing.

I had to restrain myself.

It was such an irritating response because she doesn't know me and certainly has never met my friend and from my experience my friend would want me to honour whatever it is that i'm feeling. Happiness is one emotion, grief, sadness, jealousy, joy, anger etc are all valid emotions that require a healthy outlet too.

After my friend died sometimes i would all of a sudden want to scream, whether it be on a crowded train or kick the shit out of a photocopier at work. I was experiencing intense pain that needed an outlet.

Another friend told me that she house sat in this remote location and screamed for an entire weekend. One day i sent her a text which said "where did you go to scream and how long did you scream for?" She laughed and said, only you would send a text like this.

The hippy culture have this annoying positivity and rainbows mentality (which is prevalent in mainstream society too i think). I see them post shit on fb in a desperate attempt to hide their less pleasant feelings and it is just making them feel worse.

I'm posting an article which talks about the dangers of suppressing emotions but also want to add that crying in public should be more sociably acceptable and this is one area of life where I think males have it much tougher than females.

http://kellybroganmd.com/what-is-your-greatest-cancer-risk/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=facebook_page&utm_medium=Kelly Brogan MD - Holistic Psychiatrist

 

[Run n Spread]

I think part of the problem today is there is a collective delusion that life is about being happy so if you're not happy then you're failing. I think life is about feeling and accepting the whole gamut of human emotions.

Like, if I walked into work bawling my eyes out it would be a problem for everyone in the office (not for me because i love crying as it releases stuff. Not being able to cry is like not being able to orgasm - i'm in trouble, ie. depressed, if i cannot cry). Point being that people want to save or fix someone when they are crying because crying undermines this bullshit notion that we are supposed to be happy all the time.
http://kellybroganmd.com/what-is-your-greatest-cancer-risk/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=facebook_page&utm_medium=Kelly Brogan MD - Holistic Psychiatrist

I for one would fully support you. In fact I half feel like crying myself having to roll out of bed for another shit day. Agree with your last sentence. I fully support your right to cry, do it but just don't expect me to respond/do anything. You just be and so will I.

I will add one more thing. The need to be constantly motivated. Like ra ra ra take on the world. I don't feel like taking on the world. I'm only getting up tomorrow because I have to. I would just rather roll out of bed at 11 when I feel like it and not have to worry about another day in the world.