Dermie on Watts/Rich/Naitanui.......and Josh Kennedy

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Perhaps the Hawks were always going to take Xavier Ellis at No. 3, and they were never going to tell me anyway (wise decision). But I have often looked at Kennedy and thought that I played a large part in him not being at the Hawthorn Football Club. The reason for that was my synopsis. A brief version follows.
You have to remember that, at the time, we were talking about a 17-year-old kid.
Positives:
EXCELLENT size. He doesn't get pushed aside when the ball is in the area and in dispute.
WONDERFUL endurance for a big athlete.
HE WILL naturally lead at the ball carrier.
HE DISPLAYS an appetite for a big workload and will dedicate himself to his teammates.
But ultimately the question was whether he was worth the No. 3 selection, and my answer was no. Josh's negatives were:
THE young Kennedy doesn't use his extra height (195cm) to advantage.
THREE of every four possessions he gathered in the DVD footage I viewed were lead-up chest marks won with endurance, but still under the height of his eye-line.
HE TOOK a couple of overhead marks when he outran his direct opponent and he was able to jump over the top of an opposition player. But the ball was dropping steeply without much heat on it.
HE HELD on to no marks that came in hard and flat and forced him to mark over his head when running straight at the footy.
HE DISPLAYED no real evasive ability other than to outrun his opponent because of superior fitness in his age group.
FOR a player whose game is based around leading, he grasses a lot of accurately directed kicks to his chest. The reason could be "hard hands" or poor technique.

Click here to see Dermie's complete analysis of Watts, Naitanui and Rich.

Overall, he appears to be a ripping young kid with an insatiable appetite for work. Would I like him at my club? Yes, but only with a pick somewhere closer to selection No. 10 or later.
That may seem harsh. But if Melbourne wants to be responsible to its members, it must also be brutally honest.
It is no slight on Kennedy. Carlton, which was forced to let him go to West Coast as part of the Chris Judd deal, would love him back.
But it still must be said that in the 2005 draft, there were five players chosen in the 10 selections after Kennedy who have gone past him: Scott Pendlebury, Paddy Ryder, Grant Birchall, Nathan Jones and Shannon Hurn. You could mount an argument for Shaun Higgins also
Just saw this. Pretty spot on really.
 

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Josh Kennedy never got his time to shine at Carlton, look what he did for West Coast in the games he played, he was a great option for them at CHF, we need a good CHF, imagine how well he'd be this year, if he'd had a pre - season under Ratts and really given a chance to prove himself.
everyone's allowed their opinion and Dermie's had his, and he might not have liked what he saw, but i did, I always knew someone of his height and build would take about 3years to really develop and start stringing some games together. This is his 3rd year and he's really showing something.
it's disappointing to have see him go.
 

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What will stop Kennedy becoming a gun and justifying his draft position is his style of play and the way he marks. Kennedy will always have shoulder troubles because he's a body on body player and doesn't protect himself with the way he marks. JK tends to land on his shoulders with his arms outstretched if he goes to ground after taking or dives for a mark.

He's had even more shoulder troubles this year.

Glad that we pulled the trigger on that trade with Kennedy instead of Bower.

Ironic that we traded a player with shoulder troubles for another player who fell to pick three because he had two shoulder reconstructions. :cool:
 

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Personally, I think Josh will be good.

However, the two scenarios from CFCs perspective are these:

1. Kennedy becomes a star and we paid what Judd was worth

2. Kennedy does not become a star and we got Judd under the odds.

While I think scenario 1 is far more likely, it ain't bad news for CFC if it's scenario 2.....I hope Kennedy makes it though, he seems like a really good kid
 

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Gotta give something of quality to get quality.

The Judd deal has shown to be a beauty for Carlton, it was a great investment, and Juddy's professionalism has lifted many of his teammates
 

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Absolutely no doubt we got the better deal.

Good luck to the West Coast Cokheads for tanking and getting the 10 best young players in the last 2 years via trades and the draft, they should be back in the top four mix pretty soon according to the stats, I mean everyone bags Carlton for being greedy and success driven, but turn a blind eye to fricken West Coast.

But it'll be interesting to see how they develop without leaders on the field, as without the Three Musketeers (and best midfield of the last 10-15 years) and Glass and Cox, West Coast were actually a pretty ordinary team, so hopefully that ordinariness keeps them ordinary for a while!
 

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The only really interest for Carlton is whether Kennedy makes it or not at this point is how his selection reflects on Hughes as a recruiter. If he does improve substantially and play some great consistant footy then Hughes made the right call, and if it doesn't change much from this point he made a big mistake with an early pick.

That said Hughes has plenty of credit in the bank at this point.
 

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I am a very big Josh fan but don't think Dermie was that far off the mark with the majority of his comments. Having said this still think Josh was warranted as a top 5.
 

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The only really interest for Carlton is whether Kennedy makes it or not at this point is how his selection reflects on Hughes as a recruiter. If he does improve substantially and play some great consistant footy then Hughes made the right call, and if it doesn't change much from this point he made a big mistake with an early pick.

That said Hughes has plenty of credit in the bank at this point.
To be fair any further development he shows might have a little to do with the Weagles.
 

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Absolutely no doubt we got the better deal.

Good luck to the West Coast Cokheads for tanking and getting the 10 best young players in the last 2 years via trades and the draft, they should be back in the top four mix pretty soon according to the stats, I mean everyone bags Carlton for being greedy and success driven, but turn a blind eye to fricken West Coast.

But it'll be interesting to see how they develop without leaders on the field, as without the Three Musketeers (and best midfield of the last 10-15 years) and Glass and Cox, West Coast were actually a pretty ordinary team, so hopefully that ordinariness keeps them ordinary for a while!
they tanked by trading to get the best young kids?
wow u have no idea
pretty rich too...
 

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they tanked by trading to get the best young kids?
wow u have no idea
pretty rich too...
You should really read the whole post so you don't come across as an idiot.
legendtofski said:
Good luck to the West Coast Cokheads for tanking and getting the 10 best young players in the last 2 years via trades and the draft
At least your rabble won the Deledio cup. :thumbsu: :eek:
 
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