Develop rivalry with NZ

[Cleavy]

Look at Australia's summer next year, we have Windies for 2 Tests which we'll win both within 2 days and South Africa for 3 Tests and again we are a level above South Africa as well atm so it'll be 5 crap Tests.

but we have the T20 World Cup to save everything

 

[Santana]

ATM if they wanted a 5 match series that would be a super series it'd be India v Pakistan, both have good side, good spinners. Australia v NZ in NZ would be another tight contest, worthy of a 3 match series.

The New Zealand board wouldn't want it to be a 3 game series though.

Look at Australia's summer next year, we have Windies for 2 Tests which we'll win both within 2 days and South Africa for 3 Tests and again we are a level above South Africa as well atm so it'll be 5 crap Tests.

What's your point? We haven't played the Windies since 2016 and South Africa since 2018.

South Africa's bowlers should keep it somewhat close. It being closer depends if they can unearth 2-3 solid test bats until next summer.

 

[frankrizzo]

been what over 15 years since we even beat SA at home yet people are complaining about having them here next summer?

Some of our fans really do get cocky over winning one home series vs a poor england side.

 

[PhatBoy]

Look at Australia's summer next year, we have Windies for 2 Tests which we'll win both within 2 days and South Africa for 3 Tests and again we are a level above South Africa as well atm so it'll be 5 crap Tests.
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SA you’d hope at worst will not just role
Over. De Kock retiring makes things very very tough though as their best batsmen now are all grafters not guys who will take the game away unless Markram hits peak form

 

[cricketnut14]

Look at Australia's summer next year, we have Windies for 2 Tests which we'll win both within 2 days and South Africa for 3 Tests and again we are a level above South Africa as well atm so it'll be 5 crap Tests.

who would you like us to play next summer then ? or do you just want us playing just india & england all the time ?

i think it's fair west indies and south africa are back on our shores. mind you i wouldn't mid a 6 test summer.

afhanistan and ireland haven't toured here
bangladesh last toured winter (top end series) 2003
zimbabwe last toured 2003/04

west indies last toured 2015/16
south africa last toured 2016/17
sri lanka last toured 2018/19
pakistan last toured 2019/20
new zealand last toured 2019/20

 

[Cursed Cat]

I'm old enough to remember New Zealand's dominant summer Down Under in 1985 - the scoreline read 2-1 but they had Hadlee and they were a far more cohesive and unified team.
The Kiwis went within one wicket of embarrassing us again on Australian soil in 87/88. Aussies took the series 1-0 thanks to Mike Whitney's batting (and bowling).

Post-Hadlee, the Kiwis have barely been competitive when touring Australia for a long time now.

A W/L tally over the past 3 decades stands @ Aus 24 w to NZ 2 w, in both countries - it's pretty definitive.

 

[Santana]

who would you like us to play next summer then ? or do you just want us playing just india & england all the time ?

i think it's fair west indies and south africa are back on our shores. mind you i wouldn't mid a 6 test summer.

afhanistan and ireland haven't toured here
bangladesh last toured winter (top end series) 2003
zimbabwe last toured 2003/04

west indies last toured 2015/16
south africa last toured 2016/17
sri lanka last toured 2018/19
pakistan last toured 2019/20
new zealand last toured 2019/20

Afghanistan have only had 2 proper away test matches to India & Bangladesh
Ireland has only had 1 against England
They've both had test status for less than 4 years. Even if/when they do come here they are only playing 1 match.

Only Bangladesh on that list has been treated harshly. Zimbabwe for a number of reasons isn't good enough to tour here anymore or a lot of places.

 

[cricketnut14]

Afghanistan have only had 2 proper away test matches to India & Bangladesh
Ireland has only had 1 against England
They've both had test status for less than 4 years. Even if/when they do come here they are only playing 1 match.

Only Bangladesh on that list has been treated harshly. Zimbabwe for a number of reasons isn't good enough to tour here anymore or a lot of places.

only series to be cancelled postponed are further top end series v bang & zim and afghanistan last summer and this summer.

since 2000.

not a bad record 46-1 (7 draws) if you take out the big 3 in england, india, south africa.
against england , india , south africa 41-15 (12 draws).

 

[Tygrys]

I'm old enough to remember New Zealand's dominant summer Down Under in 1985 - the scoreline read 2-1 but they had Hadlee and they were a far more cohesive and unified team.
The Kiwis went within one wicket of embarrassing us again on Australian soil in 87/88. Aussies took the series 1-0 thanks to Mike Whitney's batting (and bowling).

Post-Hadlee, the Kiwis have barely been competitive when touring Australia for a long time now.

A W/L tally over the past 3 decades stands @ Aus 24 w to NZ 2 w, in both countries - it's pretty definitive.

1985 tour also coincided with the Australian rebel tour of South Africa. It's almost impossible to imagine a NZ team beating a full strength Australian team in Australia. And as you have shown with that damning statistic it's also hard to imagine them even doing it at home. Just saying it's hard to develop a rivalry when one side has been so overwhelmingly and consistently dominant, and no doubt will continue to be so.

 

[Kwality]

would've made his batting ave 48

Such are 'not outs' when looking at any batting averages.

 

[Santana]

1985 tour also coincided with the Australian rebel tour of South Africa. It's almost impossible to imagine a NZ team beating a full strength Australian team in Australia. And as you have shown with that damning statistic it's also hard to imagine them even doing it at home. Just saying it's hard to develop a rivalry when one side has been so overwhelmingly and consistently dominant, and no doubt will continue to be so.

They really dropped the ball the last time they came here. They clearly had one of their best-ever sides and didn't come close. They won't be touring here until the earliest summer of 2025/2026. Boult & Southee will both be over the age of 35, Wagner be will close to 40 and will probably be retired. Who knows where Jamieson will be with a body like that. Even their best current bats will be pushing mid 30's

That said they do have a good shot when we tour them at the start of 2024. But if they can't win that series then it's hard seeing where their next Trans-Tasman Trophy win will come from.

 

[big_e]

1985 tour also coincided with the Australian rebel tour of South Africa. It's almost impossible to imagine a NZ team beating a full strength Australian team in Australia. And as you have shown with that damning statistic it's also hard to imagine them even doing it at home. Just saying it's hard to develop a rivalry when one side has been so overwhelmingly and consistently dominant, and no doubt will continue to be so.

Don't think many of those rebel players would have made much difference, tbh

 

[PhatBoy]

only series to be cancelled postponed are further top end series v bang & zim and afghanistan last summer and this summer.

since 2000.

not a bad record 46-1 (7 draws) if you take out the big 3 in england, india, south africa.
against england , india , south africa 41-15 (12 draws).


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It is a good record - surprisingly though it’s not the best: India are 62-13 against all comers at home in that time which actually surprised me a bit

That said, the team that at various stages has been best equipped to beat them at home never plays them

 

[Pippen94]

Don't think many of those rebel players would have made much difference, tbh

Just going to post this. Hadlee would've run through both sides

 

[Pippen94]

Here I was thinking the kiwi's look stronger than ever & Australia currently realises on just a few batsmen..

 

[Pippen94]

1985 tour also coincided with the Australian rebel tour of South Africa. It's almost impossible to imagine a NZ team beating a full strength Australian team in Australia. And as you have shown with that damning statistic it's also hard to imagine them even doing it at home. Just saying it's hard to develop a rivalry when one side has been so overwhelmingly and consistently dominant, and no doubt will continue to be so.

Funny cause the bledisloe sells out every stadium across the country despite the all blacks dominance..

 

[Tygrys]

Don't think many of those rebel players would have made much difference, tbh

Australia's biggest problem faced during it's series against NZ was our bowling. We had the likes of Bob Holland, Greg Matthews, Dave Gilbert, Simon O Donnell in our line-up. In South Africa we had Carl Rackemann walking away with an official man of the series with 28 wickets in three test matches. No Australian or South African player came close to him. That inclusion alone would have made a massive difference.

The fact is a number of Australian players performed very well in South Africa. And with Australian cricket being at a fairly low ebb we couldn't afford to have 16 first class players out of our talent pool. Again it's no coincidence that it was at that moment that NZ won it's only test series on Australia soil.

 

[Santana]

Funny cause the bledisloe sells out every stadium across the country despite the all blacks dominance..

Not sure the Bledisloe Cup is the best example. It's been incredibly boring for neutrals for 2 decades now. With the current state of Ausatliran Rugby it clearly isn't helping much

It still gets good crowds in Australia because of how many New Zealand ex-pats live here. Some of those crowds look 60/40 to me, 70/30 at best to the home team.

 

[Pippen94]

Not sure the Bledisloe Cup is the best example. It's been incredibly boring for neutrals for 2 decades now. With the current state of Ausatliran Rugby it clearly isn't helping much

It still gets good crowds in Australia because of how many New Zealand ex-pats live here. Some of those crowds look 60/40 to me, 70/30 at best to the home team.

Yeah, I was expecting this afl anti every other code guff. Event wasn't selling out stadiums in NSW & qld in the 80's now does it all over. Bigger & more important to the code now than at any other point

 

[Pippen94]

Australia's biggest problem faced during it's series against NZ was our bowling. We had the likes of Bob Holland, Greg Matthews, Dave Gilbert, Simon O Donnell in our line-up. In South Africa we had Carl Rackemann walking away with an official man of the series with 28 wickets in three test matches. No Australian or South African player came close to him. That inclusion alone would have made a massive difference.

The fact is a number of Australian players performed very well in South Africa. And with Australian cricket being at a fairly low ebb we couldn't afford to have 16 first class players out of our talent pool. Again it's no coincidence that it was at that moment that NZ won it's only test series on Australia soil.

Haha - this is a troll right?! Rebel players hurt depth, but most were fringe players with limited prospects - hence they took chance to play there. You really rate Carl Rackemann

 

[Cyber_punk]

No point, the rivalry is way too one sided (not complaining though, always prefer to see us stomping teams)

Same with the rugby union now. They live and breath it while it's just meh for Aussies and it's been almost pointless to have matches with them for 20 years because all they have to do is turn up. A foregone conclusion.

 

[Santana]

Yeah, I was expecting this afl anti every other code guff. Event wasn't selling out stadiums in NSW & qld in the 80's now does it all over. Bigger & more important to the code now than at any other point

I think you will find that Aussie Bledisloe crowds well being pretty good, have been dropping the last 10 years. The only sell out I can think of was that Perth test a few years ago?

Unless the Wallabies start winning Bledisloe Cups again within the next decade, the crowds are only going to drop further. Unless the rest of New Zealand moves here.

 

[big_e]

Australia's biggest problem faced during it's series against NZ was our bowling. We had the likes of Bob Holland, Greg Matthews, Dave Gilbert, Simon O Donnell in our line-up. In South Africa we had Carl Rackemann walking away with an official man of the series with 28 wickets in three test matches. No Australian or South African player came close to him. That inclusion alone would have made a massive difference.

The fact is a number of Australian players performed very well in South Africa. And with Australian cricket being at a fairly low ebb we couldn't afford to have 16 first class players out of our talent pool. Again it's no coincidence that it was at that moment that NZ won it's only test series on Australia soil.

And yet Rackemann was far enough back in the queue that he wasn't in the original 85 Ashes squad.

We also only got past 300 once, and that was in the game we lost by an innings.

I agree with the talent drain hurting badly, but we were well beaten in that series and New Zealand deserve more credit for being a bloody good team that year.

 

[Tygrys]

Not sure the Bledisloe Cup is the best example. It's been incredibly boring for neutrals for 2 decades now. With the current state of Ausatliran Rugby it clearly isn't helping much

It still gets good crowds in Australia because of how many New Zealand ex-pats live here. Some of those crowds look 60/40 to me, 70/30 at best to the home team.

Very true. NZ is the only first word country in the world where rugby is the number one sport. So minor here most wouldn't know when a Bledisloe match is even being played. But for NZ it's a matter of life or death. Take away their diaspora in Australia and even the Bledisloe would struggle. Again hardly a meaningful comparison

 

[Pippen94]

I think you will find that Aussie Bledisloe crowds well being pretty good, have been dropping the last 10 years. The only sell out I can think of was that Perth test a few years ago?

Unless the Wallabies start winning Bledisloe Cups again within the next decade, the crowds are only going to drop further. Unless the rest of New Zealand moves here.

Such an afl insular mentality - rugby isn't popular here so it can't be elsewhere.

Bledisole pulls over 250k viewers in Sydney - which is a number swans get only for a grand final. My point stands that series has increased in size & profile over past 40 years, with all black dominanting.

Just a bitter afl type who is threatened by any sport which has an international component.