Developing too many Bitsa players?

[TassieEagle]

We Had a bowling lineup of Gillespie, Lee, Warne, MacGill, Cullen in that match then 7 months later when our next test rolled around it was Warne, Lee, Clark, McGrath.

So really I would say Clark is the one who came in for him, whose short career was very handy.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

I've changed my toon on this.

For the Ashes in Aus - this team

Wade (can give gloves to Starc for his overs)
Henriques
Maxwell
Ronald
Agar
Butterworth
Faulkner
Mitch Marsh (skipper)
Starc
Rhino
O'Keefe

Twelfth man - Steve Smith but could be interchanged with Maxwell

No room for Watson or Christian due to the 'no dickheads' rule.

Seriously, I'd back that lot to get 300 more often than our current bunch.

 

[Torz]

England following our lead by picking Woakes.

 

[dan warna]

sigh.
Pattinson, bowls in the mid/late 20s, can bat well.
Clarke/katich/S.Waugh talented batsmen who can roll the arm over.
going for a RSA circa 1998/99 test side...bleurgh.

 

[Power Raid]

how good would it be if our top 5 batsmen could bat
6 was an all rounder
7 a batsman keeper
followed by 3 seamers and a spinner

 

[dan warna]

how good would it be if our top 5 batsmen could bat
6 was an all rounder
7 a batsman keeper
followed by 3 seamers and a spinner

insane, that would never work.

 

[Tassieboy]

We Had a bowling lineup of Gillespie, Lee, Warne, MacGill, Cullen in that match then 7 months later when our next test rolled around it was Warne, Lee, Clark, McGrath.

So really I would say Clark is the one who came in for him, whose short career was very handy.

Gillespie was cooked anyway.

 

[Power Raid]

Slap happy cricket has been the focus making the guys mentally week.

T20 shouldn't be scored by runs and wickets rather the crowd should hold up score cards like diving for nice shots!

 

[The Speaker]

sigh.
Pattinson, bowls in the mid/late 20s, can bat well.
Clarke/katich/S.Waugh talented batsmen who can roll the arm over.
going for a RSA circa 1998/99 test side...bleurgh.

wat

 

[dan warna]

wat

bowling average 26, battiing average 30

 

[Caesar]

Bonus question, why do some people bowl left handed and bat right handed? I just can't imagine how it would feel natural or where you'd try bowling with your other arm in the first place.

I do this. A lot of left-handed people bat right-handed because it feels more normal to have the dominant hand on top.

This is especially true for me, because I played tennis before I played cricket. A left-handed tennis player holds a two-handed backhand roughly the same way as a right-handed batsman holds a cricket bat. It felt more normal to get the majority of my power and control out of the top hand.

I also play golf right-handed for similar reasons.

 

[The Speaker]

bowling average 26, battiing average 30

Oh, right, averages. He had an average of 22 before the Ashes. Batting average is inflated by not outs.

 

[Mateyman]

Oh, right, averages. He had an average of 22 before the Ashes. Batting average is inflated by not outs.

"Batting average is inflated because he doesn't go out that often"

 

[The Speaker]

"Batting average is inflated because he doesn't go out that often"

Do you seriously think Pattinson is a 'bitsa' player?

 

[sherb]

He can be bowl/bat.

Dan Warna is right though. Our chairman of selectors came out and said sometime ago that they want players who can add more than one skill. I wish they'd count fielding as an extra skill as I think that could do with some real work but he meant bowling AND batting.

Bitsa players are all the go.Hence Warner's stinking leggies getting more of a run.

That doesn't make Warner a bitsa player. It makes him a specialist batsman who can throw a few down for some variety.

In my early years of following Test cricket, four of Australia's top six were in that category.

Keith Stackpole (leggies/toppies), Ian Chappell (leggies), Greg Chappell (medium pace) and Doug Walters (medium pace).

 

[Mateyman]

Do you seriously think Pattinson is a 'bitsa' player?

No, he is clearly a bowler, but his batting is damned handy, and not out effect on average is overrated

 

[The Speaker]

No, he is clearly a bowler, but his batting is damned handy, and not out effect on average is overrated

It is, but it's still worth pointing out.

 

[dan warna]

concur pattinson is a bowler who can bat.
as for not getting out, it would be handy if our top order and middle order didn't get out till the flat track end of the series.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

That doesn't make Warner a bitsa player. It makes him a specialist batsman who can throw a few down for some variety.

In my early years of following Test cricket, four of Australia's top six were in that category.

Keith Stackpole (leggies/toppies), Ian Chappell (leggies), Greg Chappell (medium pace) and Doug Walters (medium pace).

That was more to do with the Chair of Selectors wanting 2 skills from players. Warner's bowling is rotten, his fielding should be enough to count as an extra skill.

 

[Some Idiot]

Don't forget that Wade is as good a bowler as a keeper

Bat/keeper/bowl.

Oh yeah on batting average, for a while Bracken averaged 50 with the bat in ODI cricket, admittedly he had scored about 100 runs with a top score of 20 or something

 

[western royboy]

I see this a massive issue right around the country, state sides want a keeper who can bat a bit and are putting an increasing amount of emphasis on this in the selections, as such players who are actually excellent keepers are missing out and what we see at a national level is just a continuation of this process. Unless we get the states to change nothing will change at a national level.

The top level is a reflection of everything that sits underneath it. It starts off in every junior rep team. Matthew Wade was converted to keeping at around 15 or 16 from memory.

People need to understand that the top is a direct reflection of everything that sits underneath.

Until we change the way we teach and instruct at the base level - nothing will change.

 

[dan warna]

The top level is a reflection of everything that sits underneath it. It starts off in every junior rep team. Matthew Wade was converted to keeping at around 15 or 16 from memory.

People need to understand that the top is a direct reflection of everything that sits underneath.

Until we change the way we teach and instruct at the base level - nothing will change.

exactly.
smith, white are two players who were messed around because they were told to focus on their bowling....
White pretty much ruined for ever.
Smith, well if the century doesn't prove to be a one off on a flat track might have a future.

 

[western royboy]

exactly.
smith, white are two players who were messed around because they were told to focus on their bowling....
White pretty much ruined for ever.
Smith, well if the century doesn't prove to be a one off on a flat track might have a future.

I like Smith, he's worth persisting with but......did you see his first ball, wide outside off stump - swish - heart in mouth stuff, could quite easily have ended there.

A good bat just watches it sail on by.

 

[Mateyman]

I like Smith, he's worth persisting with but......did you see his first ball, wide outside off stump - swish - heart in mouth stuff, could quite easily have ended there.

A good bat just watches it sail on by.

He is improving on that sort of thing though