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Development of junior batsmen

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  1. western royboy

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    Cricket isn’t special anymore - by playing too much of it as kids the powers have made the game into a disposable item that you can play whenever you want and come and go as you please knowing you can always get a game when it suits you - wasn’t that way when I was a kid
     
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    Yes, it's a whole different era in time and there's no denying cricket isn't the "must have" for today's kids. The best part of my year was the Under 17s Shell Shield in January, a fantastic competition where all grade clubs were represented, as well as two combined country teams. We played for 3 weeks, Monday to Thursday, had Friday off and then played for our clubs over the weekend. After the matches, we would head back to the club for nets practice. So, all things going well, you could play about 14-15 cricket matches in 3 weeks :) Some terrific players at that time, perhaps David Hookes being the most notable, but also many others who played 1st class cricket. Cricket was all we wanted to do.
     
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    Off topic a little but it's the same with senior cricket now.

    Guys using 'having kids' as an excuse to stop training and slide down a few grades to bully the opposition and beef up the stats.

    When i was a junior 20 years ago i remember watching the seniors play and they had kids as well but still managed fine training twice a week and playing on a saturday.
     
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    He won state player of the year last year using that stance.
     
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    Times have changed mate, family dynamics are different with more mothers working etc. the expectations on blokes to be more present at home is different. I can tell you this from experience as I am living through it
     
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    Yeah dedicating a couple of evenings a week to training plus 3/4 of your Saturday to the cricket club (& the inevitable expectation of hanging around for a few post match) should not be something that is taken for granted. For both better and worse lifestyles have changed with the creep of working hours, competing pursuits and changed expectations re gender roles in partnerships. Still strongly believe sporting and indeed cricket clubs have still got a significant role to play in society though.

    Now whether that actually impacts on the quality of players coming through I'm not too sure. As the keen kids still lap up every opportunity to play as much cricket and footy as they possibly can. The mentality of batsmen has definitely shifted to one of no limits and to not fear dismissal. It's natural for juniors (and amateurs) to try emulate that which has undermined the fundamental defensive technique.
     
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    It’s how people are taught that is the issue - if you think that a declining standard under the elite systems will continue to produce a high standard of first class and elite players you have a different view to me - no argument about the declining time - it’s about teaching kids the basics and Milo doesn’t do it and it should
     
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    Sir Donald Bradman: “I was never coached, I was never taught how to hold a bat.”

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    That's not what Milo is for. It's simply to get them interested.

    No point wasting time teaching basics to kids who have a go and think it's boring. Get them enjoying having a go, and then they step into junior club cricket at under 10 level, and that's where you can start giving them more of the basics.
     
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    A lot of merit in that , basically the reason I gave premier cricket away and I know a lot of guys in the same boat.

    What I have noticed is guys being more willing to miss games here and there that never would have happened 20 years . At the club I'm involved in now the opening bowler always misses a game for the racing carnival and normally will miss a second to attend a music festival. He isn't alone either .
    Last season the 1sts had 6 unavailable for one game for a mix of going to the racing , going on holidays and weddings .Its just how things are now , I don't like it but you need good players playing as much as possible and if that keeps guys playing the game well you do it .
     

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    Doesn’t happen - kids just play - give them the basics straight up they’ll have them for life
     
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    My comp now has a rule that you can nominate 13 players for a 2 day game (you have to list on the team sheet before the toss who your day 1 and day 2 players are). Only way a lot of clubs can consistently field teams in all grades with all the absences
     
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    Oh don't get me started on this. Near full teams of blokes playing about a thousand grades lower than they should. Just playing down there 'to have some fun.' Most I played against weren't having fun and played like maniacs and cheated worse than anyone (even more absurd as they really didn't need to). Long time ago now but think I copped about 3 teams like that in my first 5 matches in 2002 in B1 Mornington Peninsula.

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    Unfortunately that's been going on since the start of time , just more so now.
    Worst I've seen was a guy who had played state 2nd x1 cricket and was still as quick and good as anyone going around in local comps . Got injured and missed a game , wasn't quite right for the next game but was pretty happy to be a bully and get some overs in so played against our 3rds .
    Took 8/4 ( 4 wides ) ...... was an absolute disgrace . A few of the younger kids gave the game away after that match .
     
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    Plenty of comps now grading players so either you cant play below your grade or if you do you have restrictions (can only bowl x overs, have to bat lower than y, have to retire at z)
     
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    The fact that this is viewed as some sort of moral deficiency on the kids' part says more about the people in the thread than the children themselves.

    There's nothing wrong with the Milo model - U10s is still plenty early to nail down the basics for the kids who are keen.
     
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    If the fault lies with the u10s onwards, then the participatory emphasis is still a problem from that level onwards.
     
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    Apologies if it's already been covered in this thread but what age do kids start playing T20 in Australia?
     
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    They barely play any

    It's far more common at state and international level than it is at club level

    Maybe one of the reasons we're so shit at it and also one of the reasons our players have become so woeful at adapting between formats
     
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    ?? Its pretty much all they play in some districts and in public primary and high schools
     
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    Public primary schools and high schools barely play any cricket.

    Colleges do and they play two and one day cricket as they've always done.

    Districts? Do you mean grade cricket? They play predominantly two and one day cricket as they've always done.
     
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    We were playing 20 overs a side in under 10s in the mid 80s.

    Ahead of our time!
     
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    You miss my point. Before you start playing any organised sport, in my view you need to have some basics in order to help you play the game but to also give you a chance to master it for yourself. Talent is totally out of your hands but if I can hold the bat right and understand that my chances of hitting the ball are increased by keeping it straight I am at least some chance of doing it. Similarly if I am taught how to hold and drop the ball correctly as a footballer, it stands a good chance of going straight. If I learn a bad habit early, it's very hard to correct. As a kid playing footy, I dropped the ball with my right hand but was a natural left footer. This caused me to be a boot banger. It wasn't until I was in high school that Gerard Fitzgerald pointed out to me what the problem was and that to keep going with my footy I needed to drop the ball with my left hand. It took me a year to get right! Similarly, why are a high majority of all the Irish recruits good kicks? Despite having never kicked an oval ball in their life? The answer is simply that from day one, they are shown the proper technique. Milo doesn't need to change much other than give the kids some basics on grip, backlift and stance - if they do that they will have it for life.
     
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    I know when my son was at public high school (hes now 20) they played cricket - but it was all T20

    Sorry "Districts" I mean the "South Upacumbuckta West Junior Cricket Association" , not adult grade cricket

    One of the reasons we have 13 year olds playing in my mens senior arvo team is to let them play more than hit & giggle with 35m boundaries
     
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