Development Vs Winning

[NQTIGER]

my greatest fear is that with all this talk of trading this year we will fall into the same old same old richmond mistake and trade away a heaps of picks for recycled players and essentially stuff ourselves.

Jack obviously isn't right blokes like helbig shouldn't be playing firsts time to make the hard calls and our first round/early 2nd round picks should be almost untouchable

Is that because we develop our kids the right way? Teach them to WIN games?

 

[sante]

We aren't doing any of them at the moment.

 

[NQTIGER]

We aren't doing any of them at the moment.

We are teaching the players that losing is acceptable, by not reviewing the last two games and openly saying that the players have said meh so what if we lose.....nothing happens, how you can only make three changes to a side after theese losses is beyond me......

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Its about winning footy games Dimma...

The Supporters...and more importantly the players want to win matches...

Not spend the next...whatever amount of years...'developing' the side...

Pick the form players...and everything follows that...

Its simple really...

 

[NQTIGER]

Its about winning footy games Dimma...

The Supporters...and more importantly the players want to win matches...

Not spend the next...whatever amount of years...'developing' the side...

Pick the form players...and everything follows that...

Its simple really...

I have told you a thousand times , you cant pick in form players , They will affect the development of the side

Dont you understand that you need to learn to lay down during a game?

 

[rideclutch]

I'm fine with development, even if it means we lose for the rest of the year. Don't care about winning this year, more interested in how they play.

On that very topic, it's the non-negotiables that annoy me. Getting outclassed and zoned etc. is fine, you lose to better teams. That's how footy always works. But when time comes to put your head over the ball, take the body, back into a pack and wear one for the team, and you DON'T, there's no 'developing' excuse that can save you. At least go down showing some fight and hunger, that is a complete non negotiable.

 

[Minty]

Yes it is DH's fault. He gets paid big bucks to do a job for us. I was listening to James Herd talk about his boys and how he was going to spend the first few months of his coaching career learning about each of them as individuals and the best way to coach the best out of each of them - because everyone is different. Our almighty leader coaches the boys as a group and apparently they all need to have a bit of ******** in them to succeed under his rule. Perhaps a more individual approach may work. He just seems to play the same ones each week ... Give some of the others (Coburg boys) a decent run and coach the best out of them..... One week in - then out - can't possibly work... Or have a positive affect on the team

 

[NQTIGER]

Yes it is DH's fault. He gets paid big bucks to do a job for us. I was listening to James Herd talk about his boys and how he was going to spend the first few months of his coaching career learning about each of them as individuals and the best way to coach the best out of each of them - because everyone is different. Our almighty leader coaches the boys as a group and apparently they all need to have a bit of ******** in them to succeed under his rule. Perhaps a more individual approach may work. He just seems to play the same ones each week ... Give some of the others (Coburg boys) a decent run and coach the best out of them..... One week in - then out - can't possibly work... Or have a positive affect on the team

Read my previous post, you cant pick in form players, they affect the development of the side.

 

[bollo]

Yes, well, that's right. If we don't have any expectations then what we will wind up with is a carousel of mediocrity. What the "pro-development" brigade don't seem to understand, in their eagerness to embrace and make excuses for anyone who is shy of 100 games, is that the players you bring in must be quality players and we must have a system in place where we make good players great. We don't have that. We can pump in youth at the bottom but we will still turn out crap if we can't change the culture of the club. For the first little while I was willing to go along with the "Let's give Hardwick a go" business, but what the last six or eight weeks have shown up is that Hardwick has not been able to get to the bottom of the two biggest problems at the club:

1. Poor recruiting and development
2. A culture of giving up

Sure, the apologist will point to there being a lot of rubbish when he took over, but he also left a lot of that rubbish on the list and has brought in plenty of rubbish of his own. In the last two years, we will be lucky if he has brought more than three or four decent players to the club.

Meanwhile, as much as he doesn't want to admit it, we are the same-old, same-old when comes to throwing it in when it gets a bit tough. If it wasn't bad enough to see the Tigers lose by 103 points to the Blues, the Blues have now been comfortably defeated on either side of that debacle. At least when we lost by 157 points to Geelong they won 19 of their next 20 games, including a record win in the Grand Final.

Couldn't of said it any better. Summed it up perfectly

 

[Ralll]

i like collingwoods theory of throwing birth certificates out and playing whoever deserves a game.
Im not convinced with bottoming out and building from the ground up giving games to people who dont yet deserve it, to hopefully end up with a premiership window with everyone of a specific age at the right time.

 

[YellowAndBlack83]

i like collingwoods theory of throwing birth certificates out and playing whoever deserves a game.
Im not convinced with bottoming out and building from the ground up giving games to people who dont yet deserve it, to hopefully end up with a premiership window with everyone of a specific age at the right time.

I like this post!

By continuing on playing players who clearly aren't AFL standard at the moment (and in Brownes case never will be) just because they are young ahead of mature players of a higher standard ie; Tuck, Morton and Graham can potentially backfire on us massively as the younger players can develop the attitude of not having to earn their spot in the team through hard work but instead expect their spot in the team every week because they are young, and the older players who get dropped to Coburg for 1 or 2 poor games can develop the attitude of why bother trying to get back into the team when they are just going to gift my spot to someone because they are young and even if I do perform week in, week out in the 2nds there is a fair chance I wont get a game anyway.

Pick the best 22 every week and if the kids want to play then they can bust their ass at Coburg and EARN their spot like everyone else, Premierships are earned not gifted.