Devil's Advocate....

[_RT_]

You need to wake up buddy. We have been playing like this for the majority of the season now and took the good teams all the way on most occassions.

If that is how we have been playing for most of the season then every game in the past month must have been against opposition who were having an off day if it was good football. Last night was nothing like what we played the previous 4 weeks. As I've said a number of times today, we played badly and only won because the Bombers played a poorer game.

Or do you think turning a 50 point half time lead into a 6 goal win is good footy? We should have buried them by 15+ goals, instead we let a below average team make us look second rate for a quarter. Do that this week against the Swans and we'll be discussing a 15 goal loss this time next Sunday.

 

[JSFish]

Deliberate....did you actually start a thread after we had won saying what if we hadn't won? We did ____ing win...what if we had've beaten the 6 teams we haven't beaten this year, we'd be top. Or if we'd lost them all, we'd be bottom..
Realistic Tiger, no one is saying we are a top side, but people are allowed to be happy after a win. No matter how bad Essendon were, you can't possibly say that we played a 'poor' first half when we were up by 9 goals 50 minutes in. We didn't play great footy last night, as you've said we were probably worse than in previous weeks, but Essendon are still an AFL side, with 22 AFL footballers. Third quarter was shit, and if we have another shit third quarter next week that trend may get a bit worrying, but just be happy we finally ____ing won a game.

 

[seanoffshotgun]

Yeh, we are six goals or 3/4 quarters better than a disorganised, developing side.

And in case you thought we were at our peak; think again. We're a developing side. Shall I say it again: developing. Maybe a year ahead of Essendon but with a long way to go. Just enjoy the ride as most of us posting here are...

 

[Crumden]

We kicked 10 goals to 2 in the first half and probably should have had a couple more with a few easy misses. You don't do that unless you are playing pretty good footy, no matter who the opposition are. And as for Essendons mistakes, we put them under a lot of pressure, just like we did to Geelong in the first half last week. But with poor teams, when they are under pressure they start making mistakes under perceived pressure as well as under real pressure. As Richmond supporters, you guys should know that as much as anyone.

I don't know which teams delib is talking about as being off their game when we played them. A few have been right on it but we still took it up to them. In fact our skill level is probably still the major thing keeping us off the leaders, but we are winning plenty of the ball. We have become very good at winning contested ball and have improved our tackling. You do those two things and suddenly opponents don't look quite as good as they do when they have a free run. We just haven't managed to run it out over whole games yet and we allow teams to kick too many goals too quickly when the momentum swings, as it invariably does during games. But apart from the third quarter, we played some good footy.

 

[RECORDS!]

You see yourself as the devils advocate?????

I always thought you went by the name Negativehalfglassemptysadsackofshitw***er

Sorry that must be the other Deliberate!!

 

[Coach_Required]

So it was an average game......(most agree)

We won....

What if we had of lost?......what would your attitude have been?
Would it have just been a bump in the road?
Would we still have been as advanced as we keep telling ourselves?

What if the Bombers had of played 2 good quarters instead of 1?

Would you still believe for the sake of believing?

We have met a lot of teams down on their day this year.....so where do we actually stand?

Is this a false dawn.
Stay tuned.
(I know they say you can only beat the teams they put in front of you, but we beat nothing tonight.......compare that to Collingwood who actually beat a 'team of substance' this week)

LOL Delibs you crack me up, I reckon if we ever won the flag you would still find a negative.

Something like "yeah great we just won the flag now I have to wait another 28 years .... " LMAO

In all seriousness, I was disappointed we let a 50 point lead get dwindled down to 25 points but the team stood tall, backed themselves and stemmed the bomber onslaught, thats something I dont think our recent sides of the past few years would have done.

 

[_RT_]

Realistic Tiger, no one is saying we are a top side, but people are allowed to be happy after a win. No matter how bad Essendon were, you can't possibly say that we played a 'poor' first half when we were up by 9 goals 50 minutes in. We didn't play great footy last night, as you've said we were probably worse than in previous weeks, but Essendon are still an AFL side, with 22 AFL footballers. Third quarter was shit, and if we have another shit third quarter next week that trend may get a bit worrying, but just be happy we finally ____ing won a game.

It is wins like last night that annoy me the most because most fans will see that we won, will see we were 9 goals up before half time and will think that we've arrived as a team. They don't look past the 4 points and the singing of the song and see the full story.

After being 50 points up at half time last night should have been at minimum a 12-13 goal win. Instead it turned into a 6 goal win. So while I'm happy that we won the game, I'm not going to accept the performance I watched last night as a sign that we have improved.

Instead what I will say is last night was a game we won more through luck than good footy and will look to how we go next week against the Swans who are a good football side and like I said if we offer up last nights effort against them next Sunday at the SCG we'll be all sitting here next Sunday night discussing who should be shot, hung, sacked, etc after getting belted by 15 goals.

 

[Coach_Required]

It is wins like last night that annoy me the most because most fans will see that we won, will see we were 9 goals up before half time and will think that we've arrived as a team. They don't look past the 4 points and the singing of the song and see the full story.

After being 50 points up at half time last night should have been at minimum a 12-13 goal win. Instead it turned into a 6 goal win. So while I'm happy that we won the game, I'm not going to accept the performance I watched last night as a sign that we have improved.

Instead what I will say is last night was a game we won more through luck than good footy and will look to how we go next week against the Swans who are a good football side and like I said if we offer up last nights effort against them next Sunday at the SCG we'll be all sitting here next Sunday night discussing who should be shot, hung, sacked, etc after getting belted by 15 goals.

Disagree RT

It's games like last night where we are expected to win and we dont.

We won, we did what we should have, I seriously doubt the majority of us here would think we are even close to a finals team, we know we still have a long way to go, but the signs are better IMO.

 

[Strawbs]

I like winning

 

[JSFish]

It is wins like last night that annoy me the most because most fans will see that we won, will see we were 9 goals up before half time and will think that we've arrived as a team. They don't look past the 4 points and the singing of the song and see the full story.

After being 50 points up at half time last night should have been at minimum a 12-13 goal win. Instead it turned into a 6 goal win. So while I'm happy that we won the game, I'm not going to accept the performance I watched last night as a sign that we have improved.

Instead what I will say is last night was a game we won more through luck than good footy and will look to how we go next week against the Swans who are a good football side and like I said if we offer up last nights effort against them next Sunday at the SCG we'll be all sitting here next Sunday night discussing who should be shot, hung, sacked, etc after getting belted by 15 goals.

That's the thing though..the fact that we have supporters that aren't accepting the performance when we win must be a sign that we have improved. Last year we couldn't buy a win, this year we are better than at least 4 teams, and not far off another 2 or 3.

 

[JSFish]

I like winning

Freak.

 

[_RT_]

Disagree RT

It's games like last night where we are expected to win and we dont.

We won, we did what we should have, I seriously doubt the majority of us here would think we are even close to a finals team, we know we still have a long way to go, but the signs are better IMO.

I think people are missing my point, last night we won and while that is great the way we won wasn't. People seem to be overlooking that and more than happy to accept the 6 goal win. Not me, as I said after being up by 9 goals I expected to see at least a 12 goal margin by the end of the game yet watched as we nearly got overran by the second worst side in the competition at present. I don't know how anyone can be happy with that if they believe we are making progress.

 

[Drunken Wookie]

It is wins like last night that annoy me the most because most fans will see that we won, will see we were 9 goals up before half time and will think that we've arrived as a team. They don't look past the 4 points and the singing of the song and see the full story.

After being 50 points up at half time last night should have been at minimum a 12-13 goal win. Instead it turned into a 6 goal win. So while I'm happy that we won the game, I'm not going to accept the performance I watched last night as a sign that we have improved.

Instead what I will say is last night was a game we won more through luck than good footy and will look to how we go next week against the Swans who are a good football side and like I said if we offer up last nights effort against them next Sunday at the SCG we'll be all sitting here next Sunday night discussing who should be shot, hung, sacked, etc after getting belted by 15 goals.

WTF. We were clearly the better team, we were expected to win and we did - where did luck come into it? I don't think anyones said we've arrived as a footy team...

 

[mitch richmond]

as I said after being up by 9 goals I expected to see at least a 12 goal margin by the end of the game yet watched as we nearly got overran by the second worst side in the competition at present. I don't know how anyone can be happy with that if they believe we are making progress.

I wasn't expecting a 12 goal margin that's for sure. It doesn't work that way for us Tiges! As a few of you have pointed out it was a game we were expected to win.....

 

[sante]

It is wins like last night that annoy me the most because most fans will see that we won, will see we were 9 goals up before half time and will think that we've arrived as a team. They don't look past the 4 points and the singing of the song and see the full story.

After being 50 points up at half time last night should have been at minimum a 12-13 goal win. Instead it turned into a 6 goal win. So while I'm happy that we won the game, I'm not going to accept the performance I watched last night as a sign that we have improved.

Instead what I will say is last night was a game we won more through luck than good footy and will look to how we go next week against the Swans who are a good football side and like I said if we offer up last nights effort against them next Sunday at the SCG we'll be all sitting here next Sunday night discussing who should be shot, hung, sacked, etc after getting belted by 15 goals.

What I get from your thoughts are that we should be as good as Geelong/Hawthorn etc. LOL, we finished 16th last year, we can't do everything perfect, we are developing and learning. Enjoy the wins when we get them, we haven't had a lot in recent years. Heading into the game were you expecting us to smash them by over 10-12goals? If so, you are the exact opposite of your username.

We are clearly on the right track. I just can't understand how people see the win as a 'negative'

 

[deliberate!!]

Thanks for all the slagging.....water off a duck's back.

Take your win, go into a secluded corner and continue to have a tug.
This game and win means nothing.
We couldn't beat the Kangaroos after they got smashed by the Bombers the week before.
We couldn't beat an average Collingwood on the day. (we were worse)
We smashed a pathetic headcase team in the Dockers.(woopee!)
We couldn't beat the Bulldogs. (It took them 5 minutes to get back in the game)
We couldn't beat the Hawks having a bad day.
We couldn't beat a disorganized and failing Saints.
We couldn't beat the Cats after getting a sizeable jump on them in the pissing rain.
We beat the Bombers who had no idea what they were doing for 3/4's of the night.

We beat nothing last night....stop fooling yourselves.

The fact remains.....we are not a good side.
We are nothing yet.
We are only a good side to those people fooling themselves.

And those attacking me.....love it.....you're just highlighting how simple you are thinking one average win against the Bombers makes us anything.

You think we beat a team of quality?
The teams of quality I listed above. And they toyed with us and still beat while they had bad day.

Read how happy Knighta was with the Bombers performance.
It's amazing how easily pleased most of you supporters are.

Last night wasn't a win......it was a get out of jail card.

Enjoy the ride....you're being taken for one!

 

[deliberate!!]

Deliberate, I'm guessing you either a) a depressed emo or b) a guy who has serious complexes caused by lack of parental love at youth.

You don't have to find a negative in every area. We won the game, and played 3 good quaters of footy which will do the world of good for moral at the footy club

Don't be such a bitch FFS

LOL......bitch?......LOL

We won when playing badly...Isn't that what good teams do?

The more interesting hypothetical is...what will the likes of deliberate, sausage roll and all complain about if we win more games?

LOL....Now don't bag poor ol Sausage Roll.....he had nothing to do with this.

LOL

I've been wondering what idiots like deliberate will do when we become a good side, and this may be a preview. They will start threads about us being hypothetically crap.

LOL.....love you work Red Ranga.

your the biggest tosser on this site .. just piss off

LOL...Thanks for the vote....It would have been better holding a Poll first......then I'd accept the accolade

If I could have put all my money on one poster creating a thread bagging the team after a good win, I would have put it on you deliberate.

You are a joke.

LOL...Sante, Sante.....I used to think you were such a clear thinker....what happened?

 

[sante]

Thanks for all the slagging.....water off a duck's back.

Take your win, go into a secluded corner and continue to have a tug.
This game and win means nothing.
We couldn't beat the Kangaroos after they got smashed by the Bombers the week before.
We couldn't beat an average Collingwood on the day. (we were worse)
We smashed a pathetic headcase team in the Dockers.(woopee!)
We couldn't beat the Bulldogs. (It took them 5 minutes to get back in the game)
We couldn't beat the Hawks having a bad day.
We couldn't beat a disorganized and failing Saints.
We couldn't beat the Cats after getting a sizeable jump on them in the pissing rain.
We beat the Bombers who had no idea what they were doing for 3/4's of the night.

We beat nothing last night....stop fooling yourselves.

The fact remains.....we are not a good side.
We are nothing yet.
We are only a good side to those people fooling themselves.

And those attacking me.....love it.....you're just highlighting how simple you are thinking one average win against the Bombers makes us anything.

You think we beat a team of quality?
The teams of quality I listed above. And they toyed with us and still beat while they had bad day.

Read how happy Knighta was with the Bombers performance.
It's amazing how easily pleased most of you supporters are.

Last night wasn't a win......it was a get out of jail card.

Enjoy the ride....you're being taken for one!

TBH, no one here thinks we are a good side. We are improving though and while we are rebuilding and learning to play footy as a team etc, we will play patches of footy eg. last night we played for 3qtrs and it was enough because of the poor opposition. We still played better than we did Round 1 when we beat the Blues.

You could use the same argument for when Collingwood beat us, they played shit but got 'out of jail' because we were hopeless that day. Footy is like that and a lot of the time, teams perform poor because of the oppositions pressure etc.

Last night wasn't that bad or as bad as people make out on here.


Here is a question for deliberate/Realistic Tiger - If we played marginally better than last night and beat the Swans, what will you say/think?

 

[Drunken Wookie]

I don't understand peoples negativity here, we beat Essendon convincingly like we were supposed to. We were in a position to humiliate them but ended up with JUST a big win. Geelong only beat Freo by a point, the Dee's pushed Hawthorn this weekend, it's not always possible for the superior team to bury the weaker team, that's just footy. No ones come out and said 'OMG we beat Essendon we're a shoe-in for finals now!' some people are just assuming that's the general concensus...

 

[_RT_]

What I get from your thoughts are that we should be as good as Geelong/Hawthorn etc. LOL, we finished 16th last year, we can't do everything perfect, we are developing and learning. Enjoy the wins when we get them, we haven't had a lot in recent years. Heading into the game were you expecting us to smash them by over 10-12goals? If so, you are the exact opposite of your username.

We are clearly on the right track. I just can't understand how people see the win as a 'negative'

So you're guilty of the same thing I am then, reading too much into what people are typing.

What I expected heading into the game was what the result ended up, but after being 9 goals up during the second quarter my expectation for the game changed. After half time I wanted to see a Richmond side go on with the job not just do the same thing that always seems to happen when we have the chance to bury a side. What I then ended up watching was the exact thing I didn't want to watch. I also expected Richmond to be able to fix up the errors in the second that they were making in the first half, instead they just continued to make the same errors.

So I apologise if my expectation of Richmond being able to bury a side was too high, especially after witnessing the last 4 weeks of good footy.

I'll ask you again, are you happy to see Richmond turn a 9 goal lead into a 6 goal win when they had the chance to end up with a 12 goal win instead?

 

[_RT_]

Here is a question for deliberate/Realistic Tiger - If we played marginally better than last night and beat the Swans, what will you say/think?

If we beat the Swans who were slightly off their game or suffered a couple of injuries that ruined their chances then I would say we were lucky. However, if we played marginally better and beat the Swans who were playing at their best then I would say it is a much better sign that we are improving than what I saw Saturday night against the second worst team in the comp.

 

[_RT_]

That's the thing though..the fact that we have supporters that aren't accepting the performance when we win must be a sign that we have improved. Last year we couldn't buy a win, this year we are better than at least 4 teams, and not far off another 2 or 3.

I'm not saying we haven't improved, what I'm saying is Saturday night was the perfect chance for us to finally bury a side, and yet we didn't that is what I am most disappointed with.

WTF. We were clearly the better team, we were expected to win and we did - where did luck come into it? I don't think anyones said we've arrived as a footy team...

Although we were the better team we were lucky that the Bombers were so crap in the first half. Had they been switched on from the start instead of half time this board would have been a much different place over the past 24-36 hours and you know that is the truth.

 

[the ranger]

What I expected heading into the game was what the result ended up, but after being 9 goals up during the second quarter my expectation for the game changed.

You need to take a step back and look at the big picture. You change your expectations every 5 minutes based on the most recent events. Good teams have bad days and bad teams have good days. You can't readjust your expectations after every quarter of football. We were expected to beat Essendon and we did so comfortably. We totally smashed them in the first half, got beaten in the third quarter and pulled away for an easy victory in the fourth.

According to your logic, if we win one quarter of footy, we should win them all. It doesn't work that way.

 

[peejay]

Weekend over - lets get positive - thread closed.