Did GWS miss the memo from the AFL?

[philthy05]

the rule is only enough picks as you have list spots.

GWS have an extended squad (I think being reigned in next season?) and are running under that size.

then with so many players going out as well created lots of list spots.

They can still effectively throw lots of late picks at a bid.

 

[philthy05]

They dont though. How many drafted in the top 20 from the last 20 years? Not including academies.
Hardly a stronghold.

?

It's a bit dirty to say how many in the last 20 years then effectively rule out the last 7-8 years that have been ruled into the academies , then only count players drafted in the top 20.

 

[Colonial]

It's a bit dirty to say how many in the last 20 years then effectively rule out the last 7-8 years that have been ruled into the academies , then only count players drafted in the top 20.

Surely a heartland stronghold will have at least 2 a year?

 

[Procrastinator35]

They dont though. How many drafted in the top 20 from the last 20 years? Not including academies.
Hardly a stronghold.

Raping and pillaging? Really?

The reach, extent & access to the entire NSW South is a principal component, in allowing G.W.S it's dominance at the draft & trade-tables....What other team could cast aside an entire years draft haul from a mere 2 years prior, & not feel a hit to the depth & quality of it's squad?

You have first dibs on 8 kids with a 20% discount on all of them....That rounds out to a 160% marked advantage, over the rest of the comp....Add to that Hopper, Kennedy & Himmelberg from 2015; & Steele from 2014 @ another 100%....Which tallies to a 260% points advantage in a mere 3 years alone.

That's adds up to a 3 gun kids advantage.

 

[Colonial]

The reach, extent & access to the entire NSW South is a principal component, in allowing G.W.S it's dominance at the draft & trade-tables....What other team could cast aside an entire years draft haul from a mere 2 years prior, & not feel a hit to the depth & quality of it's squad?

You have first dibs on 8 kids with a 20% discount on all of them....That rounds out to a 160% marked advantage, over the rest of the comp....Add to that Hopper, Kennedy & Himmelberg from 2015; & Steele from 2014 @ another 100%....Which tallies to a 260% points advantage in a mere 3 years alone.

That's adds up to a 3 gun kids advantage.

Garbage.

Would make a longer reply but its all been said before.

Wont change traditionalists views with the blindness to their own inherent advantages.

So moving on.

 

[philthy05]

Surely a heartland stronghold will have at least 2 a year?

South Australia barely manages two a year at our peak and that is declining. We won't have a top 20 pick this year much less two.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Garbage.

That's no argument....Emotional ejaculations have zero to do with sound reasoning & logic.

South Australia barely manages two a year at our peak and that is declining. We won't have a top 20 pick this year much less two.

Swings & round-abouts....These things tend to come & go in cycles.

 

[Colonial]

That's no argument....Emotional ejaculations have zero to do with sound reasoning and logic.

Which traditionalists never have. Hense the moving on. Its late.

 

[coniglio_number1]

The reach, extent & access to the entire NSW South is a principal component, in allowing G.W.S it's dominance at the draft & trade-tables....What other team could cast aside an entire years draft haul from a mere 2 years prior, & not feel a hit to the depth & quality of it's squad?

You have first dibs on 8 kids with a 20% discount on all of them....That rounds out to a 160% marked advantage, over the rest of the comp....Add to that Hopper, Kennedy & Himmelberg from 2015; & Steele from 2014 @ another 100%....Which tallies to a 260% points advantage in a mere 3 years alone.

That's adds up to a 3 gun kids advantage.

We already lost Steele.

And we have almost no depth now

Reserves

FB: Mohr -- Corr -- Buntine

HB: A.Kennedy -- Finlayson

CT:

HF: Reid -- Himmelberg -- Lloyd

FF: Downie -- Simpson

RR: Flynn -- Barrett -- M.Kennedy

 

[Procrastinator35]

We already lost Steele.

And we have almost no depth now

Reserves

FB: Perryman -- Corr -- Buntine

HB: A.Kennedy -Macreadie- Garthwaite

CT: McGrath Setterfield Perryman

HF: Reid -- Himmelberg -- Lloyd

FF: Mutch--Downie -- Lynch

RR: Flynn -- Barrett -- M.Kennedy

Add McGrath-Gun, Setterfield-Gun, Perryman-Gun, Mutch-Gun....

Then add Sproule- The best tall in the draft, Macreadie, Lynch & Garthwaite.....You'll probably get Marshall too, I'll bet.

No depth?....Try again.

 

[coniglio_number1]

Add McGrath-Gun, Setterfield-Gun, Perryman-Gun, Mutch-Gun....

Then add Sproule- The best tall in the draft, Macreadie, Lynch & Garthwaite.....You'll probably get Marshall too, I'll bet.

No depth?....Try again.

Lol sproule isn't close to the best tall in the draft, try Marshall, English, battle, Kerr.
Garthwaite is third round material. Same as lynch. Mutch is not a gun as he is rated in the second round. So about 20 midfielders are better than him in his draft class at least.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

My heart pours out to GWS

 

[Colonial]

My heart pours out to GWS

As it should.

 

[Andre the Giant]

You also have first dibs on 8 very good kids this draft, with McGrath as the cherry on top.....With 5 of them from Albury/Murray Bushy's....Ridiculous.

You won't find me feeling sorry for you.

And you've stolen two of the best young players in the country, one from an expansion club that is drowning, at the expense of draft picks that more than likely amount to nothing.

This in spite of the fact your club has had a sustained run of dominance (3 flags in 4 years) on the back of several profitable drafts and stealing the best available talent from rivals.

Nobody has sympathy for your cries. Your club's manipulation of free agency and the ripple effect to out of contract high end talent is far more of a concern to everyone.

Who will you steal next? Nat Fyfe? Dylan Shiel? Peter Wright?

Ha.....fetch me a violin and a bucket to spew in.

 

[Procrastinator35]

And you've stolen two of the best young players in the country, one from an expansion club that is drowning, at the expense of draft picks that more than likely amount to nothing.

"Stolen>"?....But, but, but....'We sold the farm', remember....Hawks lost trade week, remember?....Even our old mate Pelican gave us an F.

Our deepest sympathies go out to GWS....It must be difficult sifting thru & sorting out all those first-round picks....Knowing which one's to keep & which one's to turf, for even more future picks & 20% TAC-CUP Academy product.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Lol sproule isn't close to the best tall in the draft, try Marshall, English, battle, Kerr.
Garthwaite is third round material. Same as lynch. Mutch is not a gun as he is rated in the second round. So about 20 midfielders are better than him in his draft class at least.

Sproule easily has the most upside....Garthwaite is the best 'lock-down', tall defender in this draft....You won't be passing on Mutch,I can tell you that.

Cumming is also class.

 

[Andre the Giant]

"Stolen>"?....But, but, but....'We sold the farm', remember....Hawks lost trade week, remember?....Even our old mate Pelican gave us an F.

Our deepest sympathies go out to GWS....It must be difficult sifting thru & sorting out all those first-round picks....Knowing which one's to keep & which one's to turf, for even more future picks & 20% TAC-CUP Academy product.

You sold a couple of pensioners for two elite talents.

Get some perspective, we haven't won anything yet.

 

[Procrastinator35]

You sold a couple of pensioners for two elite talents.

Get some perspective, we haven't won anything yet.

True....Though your draft/Academy concessions far outweigh any other advantage gifted to the Swans or Gold Coast.

 

[Happy Daze]

This griping and moaning about GWS hold on Riverina talent would have a lot more merit to it if Melbourne clubs had taken the time to scout and recruit out of the area when they had the chance. There are a LOT of players who could have played AFL out of the Riverina in years past but did not for lack of opportunity. A player like Zac Williams would still be playing country football if this was 30 years ago, instead of being a solid smokey for All-Australian selection like he was this season. The talent has always been there in the Riverina, and it's taken the GWS Academy system to prove it.

 

[Procrastinator35]

This griping and moaning about GWS hold on Riverina talent would have a lot more merit to it if Melbourne clubs had taken the time to scout and recruit out of the area when they had the chance. There are a LOT of players who could have played AFL out of the Riverina in years past but did not for lack of opportunity. A player like Zac Williams would still be playing country football if this was 30 years ago, instead of being a solid smokey for All-Australian selection like he was this season. The talent has always been there in the Riverina, and it's taken the GWS Academy system to prove it.

Never heard of Smith, Breust & Suckling then, I take it?

The Riverina is debatable, but Albury/Lavington should never have come under their Academy purview...Prime Murray Bushy's territory.

 

[Happy Daze]

Never heard of Smith, Breust & Suckling then, I take it?

The Riverina is debatable, but Albury/Lavington should never have come under their Academy purview...Prime Murray Bushy's territory.

I'm talking about decades, not one generation of players.

 

[Procrastinator35]

I'm talking about decades, not one generation of players.

The Riverina has been an AFL breeding ground for over a century now....I'll see your decades & raise you a century.

Hawkins, Crawford, Carey, Danihers....To name but a few.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

The Riverina has been an AFL breeding ground for over a century now....I'll see your decades & raise you a century.

Hawkins, Crawford, Carey, Danihers....To name but a few.

VFL breeding ground

The VFL isn't the AFL even though the Vics thnk it is

 

[Happy Daze]

The Riverina has been an AFL breeding ground for over a century now....I'll see your decades & raise you a century.

Hawkins, Crawford, Carey, Danihers....To name but a few.

I'm Riverina born and raised: there are a heap of players that should have played VFL/AFL not only in my time but also going back generations that didn't. Its only with the GWS Academy that the area's true talent is being displayed. A lot of the players from the Riverina/Southern NSW area who played VFL/AFL over the years only made it through to the top grade because they were playing football at boarding schools in or close to Melbourne, and hence were talent-spotted there. Hawkins went to Melbourne Grammar, Crawford went to Assumption College like the Danihers......Carey, I'm pretty sure, after a stint in Adelaide did do his final years of schooling in Wagga Wagga, so I guess he's one. But he could have easily slipped through the cracks and ended up like his Dad.

James Hird probably would have been selected a lot higher in the draft if he was from Melbourne; but it is true (having been told this by some of his ex-teamates from this team) that at under 15 level at Ainslie he was only just in the best six players in his team, with one Nathan Buckley being the standout in that team.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

With the introduction of the points system, academy clubs were able to stockpile points from later round draft picks to pay for early bids. Until this year, we saw clubs with academy kids available trade down the draft order to gain more points.

The AFL changed those rules this year, to stop the academy sides from stockpiling a ton of late picks:



http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...the-draft-bidding-system-20160822-gqyilj.html

The intent was to force clubs (in particular the expansion clubs and the Swans and Lions) to move up the order in order to gain more points instead of what the AFL saw as those clubs gaming the system and swapping 1st and second round picks out for multiple third rounders (and more points).

We saw GCS play the system well this year, moving down the order with no fewer than 4 top 10 selections (admittedly most of them from trades). With the addition of Bowes, they likely wont go into the draft with more than 6-7 selections (meaning they will only need the six or seven list vacancies entering the draft).

The Giants on the other hand are sitting on picks: 2, 15, 37, 39, 45, 52, 55, 57, 58, 59, 60. They have once again stockpiled later picks, from the looks of it with the intention of using the points on those picks to pay for their academy boys.

Consensus is pick 2 is locked in for McGrath. After moving down the order to get him (and trump any academy bids) they painted themselves into a corner, leaving themselves little room to move to match any bids for academy boys. After that, the cupboard is fairly bare. The Giants have no fewer than 3-4 top rated academy blokes touted to go around the top 20 mark (with some talk they may be forced to match a bid on Setterfield at a pick in the top 6).

The problem is that unless the Giants delist another half a dozen more players, they wont be taking a pick past pick 52 into the draft this year, meaning picks 55, 57, 58, 59, 60 will all be wasted.

Surely they would have been better off trading those picks down this year, or trading them in bundles for future picks next year to pay for more academy blokes?

Did GWS miss the memo from the AFL? What gives?

A bit of an update on this:

The AFL this year changed rules relating to the 'hidden picks' used by clubs to bank draft points, but the Giants can have an additional three picks due to an allowance given to clubs who traded in future picks in 2015 because when those deals were made the clubs didn't know the rules were set to be altered.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-...t-order?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter