Did we bring it on ourselves??

[hourn]

After September 11 there was a fair few people (some on this board - and no i can't be bothered to dig up posts etc,. but i can remember people saying they felt this way) who said the US bring these attacks on themselves. My opinion was that they didn't.

Now that we have had an terrorist attack against ourselves, did we bring it on ourselves??

my answer and i hope it is everyone's answer is no. Because i dont see how we possibly could've done so.

My simple question though is if people say we didn't bring it on ourselves, how can they say that the US brought the 9/11 attacks on themselves??

 

[saiak]

Originally posted by hourn
9/11

Something happened on the 9th of November?
Could we use 11/9 like we do in Aus?

 

[hourn]

Re: Re: Did we bring it on ourselves??

Originally posted by saiak


Something happened on the 9th of November?
Could we use 11/9 like we do in Aus?

sorry mate

 

[Blues_Brat]

No. Our government brought it on us.

There is a strong anti war stance amongst the population, hopefully this can be maintained despite our people being targeted. There is an anti-US stance growing amongst the people of Aus, however 15 million people can take to the streets in opposition to our goverments stance but it wouldn't matter, it is a muppet that gets listened to by extremists and foreign governments.

 

[pedrothelioness]

well maybe this could serve a precident for mr howard so that we dont become like another america. heres an idea, instead of bombing iraq how bout using our tax money on the farmers, and coming up with strategies to drought proof or allievate australia. instead of taking part in bush's ego fueled wanting to demolish iraq. just because his father had the oppurtunity to get saddam and didn't, doesnt mean we have to take part in his ploys.

 

[hourn]

Originally posted by Blues_Brat
No. Our government brought it on us.

No one aside from the absolute lunatics brought upon anybody else.

 

[Blues_Brat]

Originally posted by hourn
No one aside from the absolute lunatics brought upon anybody else.

Stirring up loonies only attracts them, not scares them away.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by hourn
Now that we have had an terrorist attack against ourselves, did we bring it on ourselves??

Pardon my ignorance, but i didnt realise Bali was part of Australia! So how was that a terrorist attack against Australia, just because Australians were in the bar at the time?

 

[Bridgette]

NO & it is perposterous to even consider it with my condolances going out to ALL victims & families of this barbaric attack as once again we have a Mass Murder on our hands.

Terrorism is world wide & the attack was not necessarily targeted at us but, a sad fact of life is that it is certainly getting closer to Australia which in itself is disturbing enough.

Bali is not part of Australia but is certainly close enough to be & with many of our Intelligence people heading there, let's hope they help gather enough evidence to find these animals & hopefully find/infiltrate the terrorism network responsible and bring these Mother F**ker's to justice.

With sadness,
Evan

 

[The Ewok]

The French are anti-war/anti-US and they still got the **** blown out of one of their oil tankers last week plus Germany who are even more anti-war/anti-US than the French were targeted in a bombing in Tunisia in April killing a dozen German tourists

Defeats the 'we brought it on ourselves argument' totally

 

[Bridgette]

Just heard it was 2 suicide bombers, surely more than 2 people could concoct or knew about such a huge bomb.

They're saying that 220 Aussies are still missing.

Apparently there are something like 20,000 Aussie tourists in Bali.

In sadness,
Evan

 

[k.t.frog]

Originally posted by The Ewok
The French are anti-war/anti-US and they still got the **** blown out of one of their oil tankers last week plus Germany who are even more anti-war/anti-US than the French were targeted in a bombing in Tunisia in April killing a dozen German tourists

Defeats the 'we brought it on ourselves argument' totally

you must be joking, the french were testing nukes in our backyard only a few years ago, & germany, fmd, only reason there has been an anti war message out of there lately is because an election was on.

 

[skilts]

Cause and effect. Cause and effect. Cause and effect.

So this bombing of innocent Australians has come totally out of left field. We never expected it. We have done nothing in the past twelve months which could make anyone let off a bomb and kill lots of us?

Hello. Where have you been for the past fifty years? WE are being killed because of our actions and the alliances we adopt.

Doesn't make it right, but it's the way of the world. We are a soft target. Get with the program. We are dying because of our government's stance. O.K., so be it. If we pursue the policies we have this is the consequence, just as it was for the Yanks on 9th of November. Surely our stance against terrorism is worth the price we pay, because we are working towards a greater good? Just don't ask what that good is.

Let's all get involved in the rhetoric against an abstract noun, terrorism. Just don't whinge to me when there are direct consequences of mindless sabre-rattling. It's easy for Downer and Howard to flap their gums in support of the Yanks, but these are the consequences. Judging by the popularity of our government's utterances on this subject a few hundred dead in Bali is a price we are prepared to pay.

Think. Think. Think.

 

[Bridgette]

Can we please start posting/transfering all future Bali information/comments/posts to the main 'Bali Bomb' thread which ensures continuity which may help anybody who is directly/indirectly involved with approximately 200 (possibly Australian) people missing.

With sadness,
Evan

 

[skilts]

Originally posted by Bridgette
Can we please start posting/transfering all future Bali information/comments/posts to the main 'Bali Bomb' thread which ensures continuity which may help anybody who is directly/indirectly involved.

With sadness,
Evan

"Are we to blame" would seem to be a different topic to me and worthy of at least another thread. Sorry to offend your sense of order.

Why does everyone on these boards think they can censor or direct to another place the opinions which are expressed. There is no sanctity in one person's view of how an argument should be presented. In fact, directions of your sort are more obscene to me than the appearance of the word **** on these boards. Such a colossal arrogance.

What makes you think anyone is trying to help anyone?

 

[fabulousphil]

Originally posted by skilts
Cause and effect. Cause and effect. Cause and effect.

So this bombing of innocent Australians has come totally out of left field. We never expected it. We have done nothing in the past twelve months which could make anyone let off a bomb and kill lots of us?

Hello. Where have you been for the past fifty years? WE are being killed because of our actions and the alliances we adopt.

Doesn't make it right, but it's the way of the world. We are a soft target. Get with the program. We are dying because of our government's stance. O.K., so be it. If we pursue the policies we have this is the consequence, just as it was for the Yanks on 9th of November. Surely our stance against terrorism is worth the price we pay, because we are working towards a greater good? Just don't ask what that good is.

Let's all get involved in the rhetoric against an abstract noun, terrorism. Just don't whinge to me when there are direct consequences of mindless sabre-rattling. It's easy for Downer and Howard to flap their gums in support of the Yanks, but these are the consequences. Judging by the popularity of our government's utterances on this subject a few hundred dead in Bali is a price we are prepared to pay.

Think. Think. Think.

I suppose we shouldnt have got involved in WW2 either because it had nothing to do with us, or we should have waited till the japanese invaded before doing anything about it.

NO........we shouldnt make a stand against terrorism..we should just pretend there not there and perhaps they will go away.

Your opinion is one of utter rubbish.

 

[skilts]

Originally posted by fabulousphil


I suppose we shouldnt have got involved in WW2 either because it had nothing to do with us, or we should have waited till the japanese invaded before doing anything about it.

NO........we shouldnt make a stand against terrorism..we should just pretend there not there and perhaps they will go away.

Your opinion is one of utter rubbish.

During WW2, Australia was under threat of direct attack. This is not the case now. There is also an argument which would take too long to expose here, which says that as a result of the U.S policy of trade sanctions against the Japanese during the late 30s, Japan was left with little choice but to invade.

When you find the abstract noun which is terrorism, please let us know, then we can bomb **** out of it. It has worked so well in Afghanistan, to the extent where Al Qeida is no longer a problem. I'm with you on this one. Our involvement in Afghanistan has been so successful, that the events in Bali can't possibly have happened.

Do shadows bleed?

 

[fabulousphil]

Originally posted by skilts


Hello. Where have you been for the past fifty years? WE are being killed because of our actions and the alliances we adopt.

Perhaps just briefly you could explain our actions and alliances that we have adopted that are killing us.

 

[fabulousphil]

Originally posted by skilts


During WW2, Australia was under threat of direct attack.

Some say yes, some say no..........Darwin was bombed a few times, a couple of midget subs found their way to Sydney but Australia was never invaded by the Japanese and they have stated that they had no intention of invading Australia. The principal historian at the Australian war memorial also states this.

 

[skilts]

Originally posted by fabulousphil


Perhaps just briefly you could explain our actions and alliances that we have adopted that are killing us.

Let's start with the Boer War. Then there was WW!,WW2, Korea, Suez, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Iraq and that well-known country which traverses the whole globe, terrorism.

Our alliances have been with the U.S. and Great Britain essentially.

You will note that in none of these conflicts have we fought on the side of any country in our region. Can't imagine why anyone would be ****ed off with us. Surely we have always been on the side of right, justice and the unthinking way?

 

[skilts]

Originally posted by fabulousphil


Some say yes, some say no..........Darwin was bombed a few times, a couple of midget subs found their way to Sydney but Australia was never invaded by the Japanese and they have stated that they had no intention of invading Australia. The principal historian at the Australian war memorial also states this.

The historian is an imbecile. Papua New Guinea was part of Australia then. Are you suggesting it was not invaded?

 

[fabulousphil]

Originally posted by skilts


The historian is an imbecile. Papua New Guinea was part of Australia then. Are you suggesting it was not invaded?

Of course hes an imbecile, thats why hes the principal historian, he probably hasnt even studied Australian military history

 

[Zombie]

Bring what on ourselves?

 

[skilts]

Originally posted by fabulousphil


Of course hes an imbecile, thats why hes the principal historian, he probably hasnt even studied Australian military history

Now you're developing some understanding.

Does this mean you think Papua New Guinea wasn't invaded, or that it wasn't part of Australia? Or does it just mean you don't think?

 

[fabulousphil]

Originally posted by skilts


Let's start with the Boer War. Then there was WW!,WW2, Korea, Suez, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Iraq and that well-known country which traverses the whole globe, terrorism.

Our alliances have been with the U.S. and Great Britain essentially.

You will note that in none of these conflicts have we fought on the side of any country in our region. Can't imagine why anyone would be ****ed off with us. Surely we have always been on the side of right, justice and the unthinking way?

Most of those wars that you mention but in particular WW1, WW2 and Iraq im glad we were allies with GB and US.

What is your solution to islamic fundamentalist terrorism Skilts..........roll over.

Not for one minute do i believe that we have always been on the side of right and justice but perhaps we on a lot of occasions have been the best of two evils.