Did we get it wrong?

[mitch richmond]

There's every chance Lance Franklin may have gone back to WA if we took him, he may have played in the ruck cos Richo was our key forward and been washed up in his early 20's like Patto..... anything could've happened. Polo or Pattison might've gone to Geelong and played in a flag. Who knows? Just because he is a gun at Hawthorn doesn't mean he would have been a gun with us. That's one thing I'm 100% sure about!!!!!!

 

[Mr Magic]

Didn't we already have a guy that ended up kicking 800 goals in our forward line, Brad Ottens, Greg Stafford, Jay Shulz and Nathan Brown on our list in 2004, so why would have we been scouting forwards like Buddy or Roughead??

Thats why you always should go best available. Buddy was the best available at 4.

Lids still the No.1 despite buddy and really it is about 4 and the fools that picked a light mid at that pick as opposed to Franklin who showed brillance with some of his running goals from 50.

The interview is a bulls session etc.. and unless Buddy is a complete moron which doesn't appear to be the case in his media conversations why worry about an interview(madness)

 

[Parquet Court]

i played against buddy in high school and played colts with him after high school and he was a good player but not the super standout he is today.

i was surprised he went so early as he definitely had the attributes, he was very strong and quick but didnt quite have the hands. he played a league game or two after playing mostly colts and didnt really get much of a run with the state 18s but he did kick a great clutch goal to snare a win after or just before the siren.

hindsight is a wonderful thing, lids is a great player and will continue to be. who knows what the future holds though, injuries, fitness, attitude etc etc: but when both careers are ended both will have left their mark on the game

 

[Bojangles17]

I think for the time and based on Lids junior performances he was rated the best junior - the alarming thing was that Wallace said that they were trying to decide between Deledio or Tambling for Pick No.1!!

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why doesn't it surprise me to hear that...is it any wonder we blundered our way through TW's tenure with an insight like his

 

[MR]

Richmond had no interest in Buddy as he didn't go well in his interview too. What Hawthorn did with Buddy is unbelievable. They turned his life around and created the superstar he is today. Richmond were actually going to pick up Jordan Lewis with pick 4, but they decided to wait to use their pick 12 to pick him up, but Hawthorn had already snagged him.

 

[docko911]

One of the best players in the game just doesn't get credit because he is playing in a team that needs to be carried every week. I just can't wait to see how good he and those other two midfielders we have are when we have 22 AFL quality players on the field every week.

 

[folester41]

buddy wasnt just the best player in the draft, he is just about the best player in the league, in terms of his ability to single handedly change a game.

but in saying that, lids is one of the most well rounded players i have ever seen, he can do just about everything, and really has it all, strength, speed, skills, courage and footy smarts.

 

[Big Kahuna Boot]

..haven't gone thru yer whole thread, but from an outsider's opinion.. ..and having gotten a few number 1's recently as well so speaking from experience in a way.. ..the number 1 gifts you one of the best players of the draft [if not neccessarily 'the' best].. ..it also allows you full choice to pick by 'need' as well.. ..Lids should play well over 200 games for you [possibly many more since he's very professional and durable].. ..the majority of his games will be good.. ..that's a win..

 

[nut]

buddy wasnt just the best player in the draft,

Thats why we and the Bulldogs and the Hawks overlooked him!!!

 

[delediofan3]

It's great now because the light isn't always shining on my boy, Deledio. Instead all the light is on Martin and Cotchin, leaving Deledio out on the wing to dominate the game... until he gets tagged.

 

[CoggaRules]

Comparisons are BS when talking number 1 picks and who should have gone when.
Comparing Lids to Buddy is no different to comparing Hodge to Judd.

Both Hodge and Lids offered more at the time, in terms of what the team that picked them were after.

On the other hand comparing Bling to Buddy is totally different, and we all know why, it has nothing to do with who offered what, because there is nothing to compare.

 

[Tas]

His development under Wallet hurt him, much like Wells under Laidley.

 

[Heisenberg_]

..haven't gone thru yer whole thread, but from an outsider's opinion.. ..and having gotten a few number 1's recently as well so speaking from experience in a way.. ..the number 1 gifts you one of the best players of the draft [if not neccessarily 'the' best].. ..it also allows you full choice to pick by 'need' as well.. ..Lids should play well over 200 games for you [possibly many more since he's very professional and durable].. ..the majority of his games will be good.. ..that's a win..

I'd hope he plays well over 200 if he doesn't miss a game this year he will be on 150 already.
Really should be hoping for a 300 game career from him easily 150 games at 24 and we should be playing finals as well regularly starting the next couple of years.

 

[Haggard H]

GIVEN the Bulldogs - Barry Hall aside in 2010 - have lacked a quality tall forward for a decade, why does no one ever question why they overlooked Buddy Franklin??????
He was available to them at pick 3, was he not?

I've asked this question over and over but no-one gives a rat's.

I'm sure if the Dogs were a mess over the past few years then it would have been mentioned, and Griffen would probably have crumbled under the pressure (am I also the only one who thinks Griffen is, along with Roughead, the most over-rated player in the comp? Our use of pick 4 had a big impact on perceptions of a lot of players).

And yeah, I wouldn't swap Lids for Buddy today if the option was there, though Buddy's definitely been better so far.

 

[Roachy8]

I'd hope he plays well over 200 if he doesn't miss a game this year he will be on 150 already.
Really should be hoping for a 300 game career from him easily 150 games at 24 and we should be playing finals as well regularly starting the next couple of years.

Lids is one of those very durable footballers, IIR has only missed games when crunched or kickied in the hand... no soft tissue/muscle type problems.

300 games is well within reach... even more perhaps.

What is Hungry's record again?

 

[mitch richmond]

His development under Wallet hurt him, much like Wells under Laidley.

Crikey - In Wallace's years Deledio won 2 B&F's, The Rising Star, was an All-Aust nominee and member of the leadership group after being drafted as a 17 year old.

 

[Big Kahuna Boot]

Comparisons are BS when talking number 1 picks and who should have gone when.
Comparing Lids to Buddy is no different to comparing Hodge to Judd.

Both Hodge and Lids offered more at the time, in terms of what the team that picked them were after.

On the other hand comparing Bling to Buddy is totally different, and we all know why, it has nothing to do with who offered what, because there is nothing to compare.

..console yourself with they fact they took Ellis before Pendlebury..

 

[Big Kahuna Boot]

I'd hope he plays well over 200 if he doesn't miss a game this year he will be on 150 already.
Really should be hoping for a 300 game career from him easily 150 games at 24 and we should be playing finals as well regularly starting the next couple of years.

..awesome stuff, love those kinds of players.. ..sounds like Simpson for us, i don't think he's missed a game in 5 years now.. ..Gibbs has only missed 1 game i think since we drafted him.. ..Murphy and Krooz both copped LTI's but aside from those specific injuries haven't missed either..

..yeah Lids would be well on track for 300.. ..definitely a future one club champ for you, and that's another benefit of having the first pick.. ..you also get the best choice [usually] out of the player's true character.. ..i'd rather take the 2nd or 3rd best player from a draft secure that he's the sort that will stay with the club for the long haul.. ..Lids ain't ever going anyway [unless something drastic happened]..

 

[santa claws]

of course we got it wrong wasting pick 4 tambling 12 meyer 16 pattison 20 polo and 36 mcguane is criminal

 

[Wallaby]

I've asked this question over and over but no-one gives a rat's.

I'm sure if the Dogs were a mess over the past few years then it would have been mentioned, and Griffen would probably have crumbled under the pressure (am I also the only one who thinks Griffen is, along with Roughead, the most over-rated player in the comp? Our use of pick 4 had a big impact on perceptions of a lot of players).

And yeah, I wouldn't swap Lids for Buddy today if the option was there, though Buddy's definitely been better so far.

That's the critical question from the draft. Since 2004, the Dogs have gone out and traded for Scott Welsh and Barry Hall, because they have only been 'One Key forward from a flag'. Now just put Franklin into that picture.........

 

[tugga]

His development under Wallet hurt him, much like Wells under Laidley.

Both are young enough and good enough to get over that. Wells has turned the corner and is now playing like the player we all know he is. Deledio has actually been more consistent than Wells but not as dynamic.
I still believe Deledio's goal-kicking ability goes to waste too often.
I would love to coach us for a month

 

[Dustin Credible]

That's the critical question from the draft. Since 2004, the Dogs have gone out and traded for Scott Welsh and Barry Hall, because they have only been 'One Key forward from a flag'. Now just put Franklin into that picture.........

Good call... but it still doesn't excuse the following by us.

of course we got it wrong wasting pick 4 tambling 12 meyer 16 pattison 20 polo and 36 mcguane is criminal

We should have had at least 3 good players from our first 6 picks. Instead we have one Deledio, only one more still on the list Mcguane (who many feel isn't upto it) and 4 gone. Absolutely shocking.

 

[Bazzar]

of course we got it wrong wasting pick 4 tambling 12 meyer 16 pattison 20 polo and 36 mcguane is criminal

You need to change your name from santa to Mr Hindsight, cause thats your strong suit. Fair dinkum you make me laugh.

 

[Rustof]

Both are young enough and good enough to get over that. Wells has turned the corner and is now playing like the player we all know he is. Deledio has actually been more consistent than Wells but not as dynamic.
I still believe Deledio's goal-kicking ability goes to waste too often.
I would love to coach us for a month

So true. Needs to spend more time up forward, is an amazing contested mark, serious speed, great kick. What more could you want?

 

[Catsace]

Dogs may well have been a flag contender and be a premiership side if they possessed Buddy in 2008-09 when their side was probably at it's peak. Particularly when a rival in the hawks wouldn't have had his rare talent.

But in another twist for the Dogs picking a 33 y/o Hall in late 2009, was the fact that they had a strong-marking KPF plying his trade at Werribee for years and never went for him. James Podsiadly would have been handy as well i feel for the Dogs, i mean at age 29 now he's probably Geelong's #1 forward.

Tigers though should be pretty happy about Deledio, all the talk late in that 2004 season ws for the 'Deledio Cup'...Franklin and Roughead were barely mentioned. 'Lids was always going to be the #1 pick.

I still wonder to this day, if Geelong didn't kick a profligate 17.21 to the Hawks ultra-efficent 9.4 on that day at Skilled in Rd 22 2004, and say won by just 4 goals more, the Hawks would have finished bottom and have had picks 1 and 4. What would they have done then. Could have changed history i feel.