Did West Coast mid 2000s underachieve

[demondavey]

Cotchin, Martin & Prestia

Swan, Pendelbury & Thomas

Ablett, Bartel & Ling

Viney, Brayshaw & Petracca

I think you’re overestimating the ability of the Eagles trio

‘Swan, Pendlebury, Thomas’ - Dale Thomas?!?

I saw ‘Viney’?? I mean I love Viney but he isn’t polishing the boots of those Eagles mids. As for Thomas? He isn’t polishing Viney’s boots.

 

[PerthBoy86]

I think the eagles were unlucky not to go 2 and 0 but also lucky to not go 0-2. I think 1-1 was a great outcome. I don't think they underperformed.

90s Eagles arguably underperformed, but 2 flags in 3 years is pretty good.

 

[demondavey]

Some would say they overachieved when Sydney should have beaten them in 2005 and 2006

Absolute even split between both of them.

 

[Feraligatr]

90s Eagles arguably underperformed, but 2 flags in 3 years is pretty good.

The 90s eagles I'd definitely agree there.

 

[demondavey]

Yeah I doubt we win the 2007 flag with Judd, and I doubt we win 18 without JK.

Nobody is beating Geelong that year. Judd was injured wasn’t he? I mean you lost to Collingwood in a semi, if you’d won that you have a PF against Geelong and it’s ending there.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Sydney were very lucky and Adelaide very unlucky. Crows matched up really well vs Sydney but Sydney lucked out in 2005 and 2006 not facing them in an elimination final.

West Coast matched up ok vs Sydney but well vs Adelaide and beat them 2 prelims in a row. Crows underachieved. Swans overachieved. WC slight underachieved.

 

[demondavey]

90s Eagles arguably underperformed, but 2 flags in 3 years is pretty good.

Shafted by the finals schedule?

 

[GoldbergsGold]

If they didn’t loose Judd they win at least one more premiership

Nah, the window was 2005-2007, losing Cousins to rehab in 07, then Judd's groin injury really ruined the 2007 campaign. 2005 had West Coast taken it more seriously, no partying, no drugs, I can't see Sydney winning it. Sydney were managed far better than West Coast, that's what won them the premiership.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

We were one straight kick away from 2 premierships- and also 0, so as another poster said 1-1 is fair. We weren't far and away the most dominant side, so I think jagging 1 is a decent result. You had the Swans of course, the Crowsbots, Cats and Saints in that era. No way was anyone beating the 2007 Cats (though yes they faltered in that prelim a bit).

Our forward line was one of the weakest to win a flag (no disrespect to the Q stick). The side was massively carried by its midfield run, running sides off their feet. The current Geelong side with Holmes and Smith reminds me of the Eags with the running powerhouses of Cousins and Kerr, with Judd being a bit like prime Danger.

Probably the best list of 2005 and 2006 but inferior management to Sydney. 2007 I do wonder how it would have gone had Cousins not gone to rehab, and Judd not gotten injured. Heck, the whole the drug/party culture not being a factor, would have been a massive difference.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

Nobody is beating Geelong that year. Judd was injured wasn’t he? I mean you lost to Collingwood in a semi, if you’d won that you have a PF against Geelong and it’s ending there.

No Cousins and Judd in the semi-final, they both got injured in the qualifying final, which basically handed an easy victory to Port.

 

[demondavey]

No Cousins and Judd in the semi-final, they both got injured in the qualifying final, which basically handed an easy victory to Port.

3 points as well. Was close.

Would they have been back for the PF?

 

[Senor M]

‘Swan, Pendlebury, Thomas’ - Dale Thomas?!?

I saw ‘Viney’?? I mean I love Viney but he isn’t polishing the boots of those Eagles mids. As for Thomas? He isn’t polishing Viney’s boots.

People overestimate the quality & durability of Cousins, Kerr & Judd.

I’d take the trio of Swan, Pendelbury & Thomas from 2010-2012 over them.

Averaged more disposals a game, played in equally as dominant teams, and made as many Grand finals, and played more games together than any 3-year period of Judd, Kerr & Cousins

 

[GoldbergsGold]

3 points as well. Was close.

Would they have been back for the PF?

No, Cousins did his hamstring and Judd did his groin, season ending injuries.

 

[demondavey]

No, Cousins did his hamstring and Judd did his groin, season ending injuries.

No chance at the flag then

 

[GoldbergsGold]

No chance at the flag then

Even before that I think Cousins going to rehab derailed the entire 2007 season.

 

[sdfc]

People overestimate the quality & durability of Cousins, Kerr & Judd.

I’d take the trio of Swan, Pendelbury & Thomas from 2010-2012 over them.

Averaged more disposals a game, played in equally as dominant teams, and made as many Grand finals, and played more games together than any 3-year period of Judd, Kerr & Cousins

It's trio not 2.5. Plenty of teams have had a couple of top of the tree midfielders and a guy that's pretty good. Which of those eagles would Thomas replace?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

West Coast 2005-2007 were similar to Essendon 1999-2001, three strong seasons with one flag to show for it. The latter is often spoken about as an underachiever to this day, but the former not so much.

Do you think West Coast underachieved in the mid 2000s?

Not for mine. I think one flag was right… they came within a bee’s dick of two and I’d probably argue that would’ve been an overachievement.

Obviously their first choice centre bounce combo was god-tier but that aside, don’t think they were an especially brilliant team.

You compare them to Essendon, they went 49-17 in H&A over the three years while Essendon went 56-10 with three minor premierships, so I think it’s fair to say Essendon overachieved.

Port Adelaide, in between them, were the bigger underachiever than West Coast. They went 53-13 in 2002-04 for one flag. They were by far the best side with three straight minor premierships and to only win won flag was unders. Brisbane were never the best side, more the best finals side.

 

[Dark Eagle 9]

At the end of 06 Cousins was 28, Judd 23 & Kerr 23. If Cuzzy pulled his head in & lead by example instead of chasing the dragon.... the team should have had alot more potential for evolution. It wasn't that they had maxed out.

In 2007 with everything that went against us we still only missed out on second spot by 2 - 3 goals thanks to Scotty Lucas in Sheedy & Hirds last quarter. No Judd & Kerr in that game too. A season not dropped on its head in the pre season by the most mental premiership after party surely nets closer to the wins that the Cats ended up with.

No clubs ever lost 2 players of the superstar quality/calibre in one hit like we lost Cousins & Judd.

It's been said before & no-one but WC supporters would remember.... that Brad Smith in the side would of made us an even greater force.

 

[Freomaniac]

Cotchin, Martin & Prestia

Swan, Pendelbury & Thomas

Ablett, Bartel & Ling

Viney, Brayshaw & Petracca

I think you’re overestimating the ability of the Eagles trio

You also forgot Voss, black and Akermanis. All 3 blokes won a Brownlow medal

 

[MadMaxx]

Hawks 1976 Centre Square was

Don Scott
Michael Tuck
Leigh Matthews
Rodney Eade

Lazy 17 Flags between them

 

[GoldbergsGold]

Not for mine. I think one flag was right… they came within a bee’s dick of two and I’d probably argue that would’ve been an overachievement.

Obviously their first choice centre bounce combo was god-tier but that aside, don’t think they were an especially brilliant team.

You compare them to Essendon, they went 49-17 in H&A over the three years while Essendon went 56-10 with three minor premierships, so I think it’s fair to say Essendon overachieved.

Port Adelaide, in between them, were the bigger underachiever than West Coast. They went 53-13 in 2002-04 for one flag. They were by far the best side with three straight minor premierships and to only win won flag was unders. Brisbane were never the best side, more the best finals side.

But did those teams you mentioned have a drug/party culture problem? Imagine if West Coast of the mid-2000s don't have that, since it has a massive negative effect, that's why Longmuir is strict irradicating it from Freo.

 

[Senor M]

It's trio not 2.5. Plenty of teams have had a couple of top of the tree midfielders and a guy that's pretty good. Which of those eagles would Thomas replace?

Name any two season period where all three of Cousins, Kerr & Judd were all good at the same time & playing for the Eagles.

 

[sdfc]

Name any two season period where all three of Cousins, Kerr & Judd were all good at the same time & playing for the Eagles.

2005-06.

Is this a joke?

 

[Lunchtime]

West Coast 2005-2007 were similar to Essendon 1999-2001, three strong seasons with one flag to show for it. The latter is often spoken about as an underachiever to this day, but the former not so much.

Do you think West Coast underachieved in the mid 2000s?

Yes they probably underachieved during that period. Probably should have won back-to-back Premierships in 2005 and 2006, however both of these Grand Finals were close in terms of margins - both teams (West Coast and Sydney) could have won the two Grand Finals or lost them both so they'd be happy they got away with one win each.

A bit like the 1990s, West Coast probably underachieved in that period as well. Played in the 1991, 1992 and 1994 Grand Finals - so 3 Grand Finals in 4 seasons and won the Premiership in 1992 and 1994. They probably had a Premiership hangover in 1993.

 

[Lunchtime]

People overestimate the quality & durability of Cousins, Kerr & Judd.

I’d take the trio of Swan, Pendelbury & Thomas from 2010-2012 over them.

Averaged more disposals a game, played in equally as dominant teams, and made as many Grand finals, and played more games together than any 3-year period of Judd, Kerr & Cousins

I think Judd, Kerr and Cousins was better, in my opinion.