Diet and nutrition

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Not sure about raskolnikov but I am zero carb/fibre apart from the odd baked zucchini a couple of times a week. Still as regular as ever just less waste (sorry for the tmi). All the old science of eat a lot of fibre and wholegrains to be healthy was a myth to line the grain, corn and sugar farmers pockets with intense support by their lobbyists in the US. Ancel Keys ruined public health. Fibre absorbs a lot of moisture and then expels it which depletes nutrients and electrolytes in our body and will often cause gut inflammation and electrolyte imbalance leading to bloating and lethargy.

Protein, which is easily convertible to the essential amino acids is all humans require to thrive. Only animal proteins and eggs can supply the whole spectrum of bio-available amino acids without supplementation and it comes with the right combination of saturated fat to transport nutrients and vitamins.
Not sure about raskolnikov but I am zero carb/fibre apart from the odd baked zucchini a couple of times a week. Still as regular as ever just less waste (sorry for the tmi). All the old science of eat a lot of fibre and wholegrains to be healthy was a myth to line the grain, corn and sugar farmers pockets with intense support by their lobbyists in the US. Ancel Keys ruined public health. Fibre absorbs a lot of moisture and then expels it which depletes nutrients and electrolytes in our body and will often cause gut inflammation and electrolyte imbalance leading to bloating and lethargy.

Protein, which is easily convertible to the essential amino acids is all humans require to thrive. Only animal proteins and eggs can supply the whole spectrum of bio-available amino acids without supplementation and it comes with the right combination of saturated fat to transport nutrients and vitamins.
That's the thing to a certain extent. What works and what substitutes.

There is no doubt that you can survive and possibly thrive on limited carbs or fats as long as you get enough protein.

The issue for me is the fact that we often talk about limiting macros like it's rock paper scissors
 

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I'm happy with my current eating habits ie. moderate LCHF..... but the information out there is so confusing. I'm interested in whether you can consume too much protein? It's so hard if not impossible to find reliable longitudinal studies with human subjects on all things diet related, most if not all are people filling out questionnaires.(I suppose you can't lock humans in cages like rats for long periods of time and feed them exactly what you want them to eat:eek:) People seem to thrive on a diet anywhere from strict raw plant based to strict beef only regimes.

I'd say if you just cut out as much processed crap as possible that is a great way to go about it for the vast majority of people.
 

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Good stuff by Pete Evans. Slightly biased, naturally, but hits the nail on the head. Ultimately we're all trying to achieve the same goal.

 

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I'm happy with my current eating habits ie. moderate LCHF..... but the information out there is so confusing. I'm interested in whether you can consume too much protein? It's so hard if not impossible to find reliable longitudinal studies with human subjects on all things diet related, most if not all are people filling out questionnaires.(I suppose you can't lock humans in cages like rats for long periods of time and feed them exactly what you want them to eat:eek:) People seem to thrive on a diet anywhere from strict raw plant based to strict beef only regimes.

I'd say if you just cut out as much processed crap as possible that is a great way to go about it for the vast majority of people.
I'd suggest you'd need to be sucking down protein shakes all day to even get close to consuming too much.

On the lower end...

IFBB pro Bodybuilder John Meadows maintains his muscle on 100-150g a day.

4 time Mr Olympia Jay Cutler was on 200-300g but consumed 1000g of carbs per day in the off season.

On the extreme end...

Kai Greenes trainer suggested he consume 600 g protein a day, up to 1000 grams on leg day. Maybe he was just trolling for the cameras as I'm not even sure you can achieve that.

To put it in perspective, eating 1 kg of salmon per day is 200 grams protein.

I kg of beef roast per day is 300 grams protein.

500 grams of protein per day is actually a good day of eating. You'd get jacked off that if you pumped the iron.

No wonder the kids in the gym are all twigs. Not enough protein.

tl,dr: If you're eating moderately then 'too much protein' isn't a concern.
 

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I'd suggest you'd need to be sucking down protein shakes all day to even get close to consuming too much.

On the lower end...

IFBB pro Bodybuilder John Meadows maintains his muscle on 100-150g a day.

4 time Mr Olympia Jay Cutler was on 200-300g but consumed 1000g of carbs per day in the off season.

On the extreme end...

Kai Greenes trainer suggested he consume 600 g protein a day, up to 1000 grams on leg day. Maybe he was just trolling for the cameras as I'm not even sure you can achieve that.

To put it in perspective, eating 1 kg of salmon per day is 200 grams protein.

I kg of beef roast per day is 300 grams protein.

500 grams of protein per day is actually a good day of eating. You'd get jacked off that if you pumped the iron.

No wonder the kids in the gym are all twigs. Not enough protein.

tl,dr: If you're eating moderately then 'too much protein' isn't a concern.
Thanks ET.

I went out for dinner last night (I'm not a big beef eater) and had a 400gm sirloin medium rare, mouth watering and delicious, for anybody out there in Brisbane or planning a visit, maybe a footy trip in 2020 The Morrison Hotel which is 500 meters from the Gabba I highly recommend.
 

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Another interesting Podcast from Joe Rogan yesterday on health/fitness/nutrition, with ultra marathon runner Zach Bitter, this snippet on thriving on varied diets is good, the whole Podcast is worth the listen.

 

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Another interesting Podcast from Joe Rogan yesterday on health/fitness/nutrition, with ultra marathon runner Zach Bitter, this snippet on thriving on varied diets is good, the whole Podcast is worth the listen.

Looking forward to that podcast.


I posted some low carb athletes 4 year ago, so its good to see he's still going strong.
Is he stil low carb?

Post this list of low carb high fat endurance athletes.

Zach Bitter 100 mile American record holder and the world record holder for most the distance run in 12 hours.

Jon Olsen, previous 100 mile American record holder & 2013 – 24 hour World Champ

Dan Lenz, 2015 2nd at Umstead 100 miler

Jenny Capel Winner of San Diego 100 and 4th Overall

Nikki Kimball, 2014 Ran the Marathon Des Sables for the first time and won

Roxanne Woodhouse at 52 years old won the Zion 100 by almost an hour ahead of Susan Bron a high carb athlete

Mike Morton 2013 Won both Rocky Racoon and Iron horse 100 within a week of each other

Sami Inkinen- Ironman 70.3. (half-distance) World Championships 2011, Age Group World Champion

Jean Pommier, aged 51 2nd Overall in the Ruth Anderson 50 miler

Calum Neff, 2nd at FLS Sugarland 30k a day after winning the Brazos Bend Trail Half Marathon.

Jeremy Humphrey, Winner of River of no Return Endurance runs 100km

Bevan Mckinnon, 2014 Won the overall age group race at New Zealand Ironman

Tim Reed 2015 Ironman 70.3 Auckland- Asia Pacific Championships- 1st Place (Fastest run)

Tim Olsen, Winner of the 2012 & 2013 Western States 100 mile
 

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Looking forward to that podcast.


I posted some low carb athletes 4 year ago, so its good to see he's still going strong.
Is he stil low carb?
Yes he is but not as strict as he used to be, doesn't keep a diary on what he eats as he said he knows what his body needs, carb loads some days depending on amount of work planned, IIRC 30km+ days.
 

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^ Dale Morris was low carb too, quite open about sweet potato being his main carb source and he would drink litres of bone broth daily last year to recover from injury.

Surprisingly, some AFL footballers avoid protein powder - even those who are eating hourly to try and get their calories up (Tim English).
 

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^ Dale Morris was low carb too, quite open about sweet potato being his main carb source and he would drink litres of bone broth daily last year to recover from injury.

Surprisingly, some AFL footballers avoid protein powder - even those who are eating hourly to try and get their calories up (Tim English).
Why lol
 

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^ Dale Morris was low carb too, quite open about sweet potato being his main carb source and he would drink litres of bone broth daily last year to recover from injury.

Surprisingly, some AFL footballers avoid protein powder - even those who are eating hourly to try and get their calories up (Tim English).
The bone broth helped when he did his knee halfway through his first game back......if he was 26 years old he would of gone under the traditional reconstructive surgery

Players are most likely avoiding protein powders to remove the risk of inducing contaminated products that may have banned substances
 

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The bone broth helped when he did his knee halfway through his first game back......if he was 26 years old he would of gone under the traditional reconstructive surgery

Players are most likely avoiding protein powders to remove the risk of inducing contaminated products that may have banned substances
Theirs a lot of hype in all dietary choices, but bone broth is the biggest con.
Tastes awesome, and brilliant for cooking, but the only health benefit is its better than sugary juices and soft drinks.
 

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Theirs a lot of hype in all dietary choices, but bone broth is the biggest con.
Tastes awesome, and brilliant for cooking, but the only health benefit is its better than sugary juices and soft drinks.
interesting.
got links to any literature or discussions that support this?
 

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No links, but I'd welcome links to support bone broth being some magical suppliment.
Here's a slightly macabre animal study.


Conclusion: The present study demonstrate that a daily oral administration of concentrated bone broth as dietary supplementation in rabbits enhance bone healing by increase callus density in CT, and improve histomorphometric evaluation of healing.
 

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No links, but I'd welcome links to support bone broth being some magical suppliment.
Healthy yes, magic no. Big difference from it offering health benefits to repairing knee ligaments in record times.

For the record Dale Morris’ ACL never healed full he just played knowing it eas a tickling time bomb ready to go at anytime and it was the last time he would play AFL.
 

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so its just an opinion based on personal experience?
No, some N=1 personal experience, but a total lack of any published evidence.
I went through the bone broth stage some years vack and couldnt identify any change or improvement. (Two realy bad arthritic knees)
If people want it, i have no issue, but it isnt a magic drink.
 

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No, some N=1 personal experience, but a total lack of any published evidence.
I went through the bone broth stage some years vack and couldnt identify any change or improvement. (Two realy bad arthritic knees)
If people want it, i have no issue, but it isnt a magic drink.
fair enough, but this is a long way away from saying its only health benefit is that its better than having soft drink.

my understanding is that the bones (marrow mostly) and surrounding connective tissue contain a bunch of really good nutrients and that slow cooking helps extract them.
 

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