Diggins on the attack....again

[Corpuscles]

These statements smack of truth to me:
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/foo...E20322,00.html

Well we have board members slagging off at each other .... big surprise there.

Again, considering our finances and position, this is a no brainer that anybody could say.

Again, rhetoric. No surprise there.

"Change must begin at the top -- the present board has become dysfunctional.

This is opinion. The board have a financial plan that is prone to problems if memberships drop off sharply as they did last year. Granted it revolves around cost cutting predominantly but there is nothing to suggest they think things are fine or they would still be spending. The went to the AFL for a loan, does that indicate the board think things are okay? If her version of thinking things are okay, means that the board members think we will come out the other side, then I would rather they had some faith in our future, than running around with their hands in their air, screaming 'what do we do?'

Yes ODN if there was a vote foe the most realistic footy fan on BF ( with priviso for sense of humour)... you would get my vote.... Daylight

I notice you ^ say these things are obvious, ONLY to those who accept they are obvious, that does NOT seemingly include your current board.

An AFL without Carrrrlton, is a waste of space!

5 Minutes to midnight... maybe her clock is fast or slow but someone has to wake you up!!!!!! with the simplist possible.... media grab!

You are much much worse position now when... I thought and accepted Swans were gone! forever!!!!.... I would love to visit Melb as I did and go to a Fitzroy game... didn't matter I was impartial except for the underDog factor.... WAKE UP you are so close to the wind!!!!! BUT no one at board level has the guts to call the priest and your board are playing politics ... even against AFL & AD !!!!!!


$$$$$$$$ more votes than any other stat!

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Yes ODN if there was a vote foe the most realistic footy fan on BF ( with priviso for sense of humour)... you would get my vote.... Daylight

I notice you ^ say these things are obvious, ONLY to those who accept they are obvious, that does NOT seemingly include your current board.

An AFL without Carrrrlton, is a waste of space!

5 Minutes to midnight... maybe her clock is fast or slow but someone has to wake you up!!!!!! with the simplist possible.... media grab!

You are much much worse position now when... I thought and accepted Swans were gone! forever!!!!.... I would love to visit Melb as I did and go to a Fitzroy game... didn't matter I was impartial except for the underDog factor.... WAKE UP you are so close to the wind!!!!! BUT no one at board level has the guts to call the priest and your board are playing politics ... even against AFL & AD !!!!!!


$$$$$$$$ more votes than any other stat!

Thanks for your input. If you don't think the guys that run our finances realise how bad things are, then who really does? Diggins said nothing terribly revealing, certainly nothing to gain praise for.

 

[HBF]

The simple answer for everyone is just to make up their own minds about who "is telling the truer" version of events down at PP.

I cannot and will not vote for change just for changes sake. At least the current board have some initiatives in place that should see us return to a cash neutral position in 2008, perhaps even this year if we can get to 32,000 members.

Until a ticket that comes along the is just "to good to pass up", then i'm happy for Smorgon and Co. to have another 12 months at the club.

 

[sherb]

The simple answer for everyone is just to make up their own minds about who "is telling the truer" version of events down at PP.

I cannot and will not vote for change just for changes sake. At least the current board have some initiatives in place that should see us return to a cash neutral position in 2008, perhaps even this year if we can get to 32,000 members.

Until a ticket that comes along the is just "to good to pass up", then i'm happy for Smorgon and Co. to have another 12 months at the club.

That pretty well sums up my view as well.

 

[BlueBelle]

The simple answer for everyone is just to make up their own minds about who "is telling the truer" version of events down at PP.

I cannot and will not vote for change just for changes sake. At least the current board have some initiatives in place that should see us return to a cash neutral position in 2008, perhaps even this year if we can get to 32,000 members.

Until a ticket that comes along the is just "to good to pass up", then i'm happy for Smorgon and Co. to have another 12 months at the club.

Reserve your judgement until the AGM HBF.

Each candidate has their own plan and each has merit IMHO.

 

[mediumsizered]

FWIW - It aint her that talks to the Journos!

You are right, it isn't her that speaks to the journos, but perhaps those that could be considered close to her. Her use of quotes from both Damien Barrett & Caroline Wilson on the bottom of her campaign mailout would seem to be a cynical attempt to use comments made by these 2 'journos', that incidentally eminate from leaks from the club, to her favor. Now it becomes plain why such information was being leaked in the first place.

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

I have definately thought about it Bluebear.

Unfortuantely, that is my problem - it is too hard to believe one side more than the other. i dont know which is right and which is not. I'm going to wait till i see what they have to offer, in writing.

I just want our club to be ok again.

 

[Bluebear]

I have definately thought about it Bluebear.

Unfortuantely, that is my problem - it is too hard to believe one side more than the other. i dont know which is right and which is not. I'm going to wait till i see what they have to offer, in writing.

I just want our club to be ok again.

I can see the frustration in everything you write, and I really wished it was as easy as changing the president, but our future, as with our past will be secured by onfield performance - the rest as they say will take care of itself.

 

[HBF]

I can see the frustration in everything you write, and I really wished it was as easy as changing the president, but our future, as with our past will be secured by onfield performance - the rest as they say will take care of itself.

That is a pretty fair comment BB.
We have to get our on-field performances in order, and then just watch how the off-field dramas simply fade away.

More sponsors, perhaps more members, better gate takings = a much happier Carlton Footy Club BOTH on and off the field.

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

I am one of many frustrated people. I wear my heart on my sleeve when it comes to this club. So confusing. I know change for the sake of change isn't the answer, even though i've said to get rid of Smorgan. I'm just hoping some white knight will come and fix it all over night. i know that is impossible. Blah.

I really hope you are right - that when we start going ok onfield, we will do ok offield again.

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

Originally posted by HugeBluesFan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebear
I can see the frustration in everything you write, and I really wished it was as easy as changing the president, but our future, as with our past will be secured by onfield performance - the rest as they say will take care of itself.

That is a pretty fair comment BB.
We have to get our on-field performances in order, and then just watch how the off-field dramas simply fade away.

More sponsors, perhaps more members, better gate takings = a much happier Carlton Footy Club BOTH on and off the field.

Fingers and legs crossed!

 

[HBF]

Fingers and legs crossed!

With the list we are developing at the moment AWG, I can see this club having a great impact on-field in about 12-18 months. We have that many kids, we just need to get some more game time into them.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Fingers and legs crossed!

Seems extreme but you know what you're doing I guess.

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

Originally posted byHugeBluesFan
With the list we are developing at the moment AWG, I can see this club having a great impact on-field in about 12-18 months. We have that many kids, we just need to get some more game time into them

Could not agree more HBF! We have the talent, we definately have the attitudes, all we need is a bit of experience and we'll be ok eventually

 

[HBF]

Could not agree more HBF! We have the talent, we definately have the attitudes, all we need is a bit of experience and we'll be ok eventually

Yup.
Can you imagine Murph with another season under his belt, Simmo with another 20+ games of experience, and Walks, with another season under his belt.

As Parrot would say, exciting times ahead.

 

[audas]

Here are some FACTS.

Lorraine Diggins has been out in the media and public (mailing memebrs) with a smear campaing. Nothing less. It is a disgrace to see anyone behaving this way politically and immediately strikes them off any decent, informed voters choice. It reeks of republicansim smear campaings of the lowest order and should not be tolerated.

She has publicy griped about petty player numberings of which she has no right over any one else.

She has launched a personal attack on the integrity of several members of the board and anyone knows that we dont air our dirty laundry.

And through all her recent behaviour can quite obviously be seen as the source of our leaks.

She has also been very deceptive about the ALF report.

She was given ample opportunity on talking carlton to air her acheivements and objectives. She paid NO MENTION to women of carlton despite claims to the contrary here. Her ONLY attempt at doing ANYTHING was a total failure, both the youth marketing and good governance document which was a debarcle. (Her own admittance).

Her plan for the future was a magic pot of gold ($7million) which was to come from thin air, and a business group (which Smorgan would have infinitely more ability at producing that Lorraine).

Her only other statements are that we need to change, which means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. I've said that, is that grounds for me being elected, is that a platfrom ? NO. Is a public smear campaign something you want. NO.

compared to:

ON the other hand we have someone who has put out a press statement clarifying the situation regarding the report. DONE.

Someone who has not resorted to PETTY name calling.

Someone who is trying to remain restrained and not draw attention to the club with pathetic media stunts like lorraines and he is labelled a lack of passion for showing restrained professionalism

We now have a great list.

Expanded Coaching staff.

Retained all required players.

Redevloping labour park into something rivalling collingwoods

major sponsorrs returning with excellent prospects

DENIS PAGAN

financially on target with independant plan

3 year corporate strategy in palce and on target

More honest and open than Lorraine Diggins acutally is (the minutes are there AWG go check em out) WITHOUT the name calling, public smear campaing and inuendo and muck raking the a Lorraine is engaging in.

Once more. She has done nothing except fail, and offers NOTHING except completely empty vague ideas like we need to change.

Its not head in the sand, im worried about, its pie in the sky.

This is all based on public information released to the media. What has transpired is written above, no spin, nothing, its just how it is.

Who HASNT been
"saying we need to change", "we are in a bad way", "things need to improve".

Everyone has been, and everyone from collins to fraser brown has been working on trying to do something. Why is it that when Lorraine Diggins says it then its a revelation, "OH WOW why didnt i think of this before".

The only difference between Lorraine and Smorgan is that Smrogan has done things which have helped the club and Lorraine has fallen at every attempt. Oh and Lorraine also spends all her time slagging everyone one off and writting nasty smear campaings to members. But not slagging people of lacks passion and starting a mud slinging match is a sign of club loyalty.

Can anyone define Myopic.

 

[Corpuscles]

Thanks for your input. If you don't think the guys that run our finances realise how bad things are, then who really does? Diggins said nothing terribly revealing, certainly nothing to gain praise for.

Fair enough. Good points. You members obviously know much more than an outsider.

I just sympathise with the membership who did nothing to cause the dilema/disaster but seemingly have to make a difficult decision, and even if the choice is not good then I reckon....at least make some noise (so that even if the board are fully aware of the problem) that someone is held responsible to dilligently seek an answer to it!

It is not going to go away on its own. The fact that Diggins is squeeling makes it obvious that either: there is major disfunctionality or she is primarily self interested!

No benefactor or corporation is going to put up $cash whilst there is no credible management plan and display of responsibility!... Blues also can't afford to "dis" AFL or NAB... they are all you got atm

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Whichever way it goes, there has certainly been some noise made. I think everybody knows where they stand. Smorgon knows he is one bad decision away from an EGM, so must surely have something up his sleeve. The potentials probably expect a grace period because they are new. The problem is we need immediate results and planning, no grace period. My concern is that if the non Unity members control the board, and they have little more of a plan than the incumbents, we will actually lose time waiting for them to find their feet, before doing little more than the incumbents would anyway. We really need this big influential ticket to come along and take over, not well intentioned spare parts IMO.

As I have said previously though, some of those spare parts like Littmann would be very useful ... and hopefully will be listened to.

 

[Verbeek 15]

Lauraine Diggins was on 3AW last night came across as very wishy washy wouldn't even say if she supported Denis.

I think the most important thing we need is stability & everyone pulling in the one direction not people with their own agendas.

I agree success on the field will solve most of our problems.

 

[HBF]

Lauraine Diggins was on 3AW last night came across as very wishy washy wouldn't even say if she supported Denis.

I think the most important thing we need is stability & everyone pulling in the one direction not people with their own agendas.

I agree success on the field will solve most of our problems.

Agreed.
But whether we get that after this AGM will be another thing all-together.