Current Disappearance of little William Tyrrell *Homicide gets an AVO on the foster parents

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kat1234

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I don't believe we will hear anymore of what led or the circumstances of what happened for these charges to be laid. The child is under FACS, so all will be suppressed and a closed court on Tuesday. I do have a feeling though that some more serious charges will be laid with these common assault one's IMO
The police didn’t add any additional charges.
 

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CodyRose

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I don't have a subscription to the DT, but I thought I heard there was a rubbish dump where they were digging. If you google this, and have a sub, you might be able to read the whole article " A massive pit of buried rubbish and debris has become the focus of the expert grave diggers and senior police searching for William Tyrrell. "
What is the DT?
 

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In those wealthy schools the children have ago at everything - sailing, skiing, riding, music, dance, os excursions she probably did ride a horse.

It’ll be interesting to see how this assault charge against the FP’s plays out. Poses a lot of questions.
Comments made that it was “probably from falling from a horse”.
But child has been removed from care. FP’s potentially fighting it under mental health act.
Does it mean they think the child could be lying, or are the FP’s lying? It comes across as though there was a pretty major argument/disagreement/issue between the FP’s and LT IMO
 

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“He said the truth is like that water: it doesn't matter how hard you try to bury it; it'll always find some way back to the surface. It's resilient.”

K.A. Tucker, Burying Water (Burying Water, #1)
Tags: truth


Hoping and praying whatever the truth is, that it will come out soon.
 

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She went to a public school, friend.

I guess that in wealthy areas public schools are full of middle to upper class students anyway. Where I live there is a public primary school I would describe as "highjacked" by the middle class. Full of bright wanting/expected to learn children and no school fees. Great programs. No poor kids. Once the children get to middle school the are enrolled in a private school. My point is maybe all the extracurricular options such as riding were still available given the wealthy demographic and expectations.
 
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Does anyone in here really believe they've been punching the child in the face or something equally as abhorrent?

So let me get this right, by this sentence you believe that no one can or would commit violence towards a child because the act is abhorrent?

Do I believe people go around punching their kids in the face? Hell yes I do believe that...I think the numbers that do would be markedly higher than even you would anticipate...

I read recently that in Australia, a child is killed by their parent on average every two weeks. Ill help you with the maths, that is 26 children killed each year in Australia by the hands of a parent of that child.

Unfortunately unspeakable things do happen to defenseless children at the hands of their parents, biological or foster...Tiahleigh Palmer is case in point in regards to foster carers...
 

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I think in foster care in NSW you need to seek special permission for a child in your care to go to a private school. The expectation, from what I’ve read, is that the child will go to a public school.

LT was never adopted so it’s not like the foster parents could make each and every decision they wanted. For example: I’m pretty sure foster parents need to ask permission to give the child a haircut.

Oh and from what I’ve read they’re not allowed to get anything pierced on the child. Not even their ears!

I guess living in a wealthy suburb in Sydney enables you to send your child to a wealthy public school as it would be within whatever catchment area is allocated to your residence.

Collie_wobbles correct me if I’m wrong?
 

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Was watching a doco on SBS demand about the bowraville murders in which Gary Jubelin features heavily in a really positive light. Was super frustrating knowing that he never achieved anything of note on that case and absolutely made a mess of this one.

This one will never be solved IMO
 

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This one will never be solved IMO

I’m really hoping it does for the sake of so many people hoping so too.

Somewhere, someone is lying.
You could be the best lier in the world, and have people believe you because you’re so good at it.
But there’s one person you can’t lie to- it’s yourself. Hopefully the feeling of guilt destroys their mindset and life and they fess up
 

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This one will never be solved IMO

Twelve months ago I might have said the same thing, but after what has happened with other cases this year, I've got an inkling it will be solved.

The recent search was just the beginning of a new way of investigating in the WT disappearance. You can run but you can't hide......
 

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A timeline from MSM article dated 5 August 2019.

Source: https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/p...e/news-story/38baa59f1db54e441f01cc11a6af6eba


TIMELINE TO TRAGEDY

2010-2011:
William Tyrrell’s biological parents reunite after a period of estrangement and remain together during the mother’s pregnancy with William.

26.6.2011: William Tyrrell is born.

During 2011: The couple destined to be his foster parents are approved by the Department of Family and Community Services (formerly DOCS) as carers.

Couple is willing to do crisis care and take “a sibling group” for long term placement.

Between 2011 and 2012: DOCS learns William’s biological mother and father are back together and get a court order to have him removed. FACS tells the foster couple William is going to be surrendered from his birth family and come into their care.

February, 2012: FACS gains court orders to remove William from his birth mother.

8.2.2012: William’s birth parents take off with William, and police in concert with FACS issue a warrant for the birth mother’s arrest.

16.2.2012: FACS approves foster parents as William’s carers.

15.03.2012: William is found at Sydney’s Upper North Shore with biological parents and removed from them.

16.03.2012: Nine-month-old William is placed with the foster parents, supervised by Wesley Mission’s Dalmar Out of Home Care.

March - September 2012: William’s biological parents see him once a fortnight for between one and three hours.

July 2012: NSW FACS awards the Salvation Army a foster care contract under its new [but since disbanded] Young Hope Out of Home Care Service.

5 September 2012: Salvation Army’s Young Hope,along with other NGOs, accredited by The Children’s Guardian to manage foster care for FACS. Young Hope will take on 130 children in its first three years, including William Tyrrell.

2012-2013: William’s biological parents are told the foster parents aren’t comfortable meeting them. Under the Salvation Army, the birth parents see William for one hour once every two months on visits supervised by Salvation Army Out of Home Care supervisor, Ben Atwood.

Around March 2013: Dropping off William for a contact visit, foster mother sees William’s birth father, and on another occasion sees the birth mother. They don’t speak.

December 2013 (if not 12 months earlier): William, his sister and foster parents attend a Christmas street party on the corner of Ellendale Crescent and Benaroon Drive, Kendall.

February, 2014: William Tyrrell and sister visit Kendall home of foster grandmother after foster grandfather’s death.

April 2014: During a one hour contact visit, William’s biological mother notices that instead of calling her “Mum”, William calls her his “birth mum”. She later says she felt upset for William’s confusion.

July-August, 2014: William and sister travel to Bali with foster carers who buy William a SpiderMan suit.

WILLIAM’S BLACK EYE AND ‘ADOPTION’

August, 2014:
Ben Atwood calls William’s birth mother to say the boy has a black eye, sustained when he is climbing up on the foster father and lost his balance and fell.

William’s birth mother learns about foster parents plan to adopt William permanently.

She is not happy.

She will later tell NSW Coroner Harriet Grahame, “I didn’t agree [with the adoption plan].

“I had heard about that ... they [case workers] said it wasn’t happening.

“We were still trying to get [William back] we were at court.”

MUM’S LAST TIME WITH WILLIAM

August 21, 2014
: William’s birth mother and father see their son at the Chipmunks play centre at Macquarie Park, northern Sydney.

The visit lasts two hours to make up for the previous visit in June when the mother was sick.

William is “more affectionate than usual ... sitting on my lap and giving me a cuddle” rather than running around.

The birth mother notices the bruising on her son’s left eye.

This time, Ben Atwood and another Salvation Army officer are supervising with a FACS worker there to assess if William has “any behavioural issues” or if he “needs any help”.

The birth parents give William clothes and shoes, and he hugs and kisses them when Ben says it’s time to go.

They parents never see son William again.

BOYS FATEFUL LAST JOURNEY

August 25 to September 1:
Foster mother tees up visit with her husband to travel with William and his sister to her mother’s place on Benaroon Drive, Kendall, to sort through property prior to house sale.

Week beginning September 8: Contracts due to be exchanged on Benaroon Drive house after foster grandmother sells property to a friend of a friend.

About the same period: Ben Atwood calls William’s birth mother to tee up October visit. Birth mother is worried William is “a bit too skinny”.

11 September, 2014:

2.50pm:
On a last minute change of plan, the foster mother and father leave their Sydney home, drop their cats at kennels.

4pm: The foster parents collect William and his sister from childcare and start the drive up to Kendall one day earlier than planned, via the F3, stopping en route at Caltex, Wyong and then, at 6.35pm, Raymond Terrace McDonalds.

9pm: Foster parents and William and his sister arrive at Benaroon Drive. The kids are put to bed in different rooms and the foster mother discusses broken washing machine with her mother.

Around midnight: In a house in the western Sydney suburb of Granville, William’s birth mother goes to bed and the boy’s birth father goes to McDonalds for hotcakes.

DAY WILLIAM VANISHES

Friday, 12 September, 2019,
Benaroon Drive, Kendall:

7-7.30am: Foster mother wakes in room with William’s sister and hears William playing in the next room. She and the girl try to go back to sleep, but can’t.

8am: William and his sister wake up the foster grandmother.

William insists on wearing his SpiderMan suit from Bali, pulls out all his toys from the bedroom he has been sharing with the foster father and starts playing in the lounge room.

The foster father, foster grandmother and William’s sister are in front of the foster mother, while William is behind her.

The foster father gets frustrated with all the noise.

8.30am: Late breakfast of toast, eggs and Weet-Bix.

9.03am: Foster mother rings washing machine repairman for 38 seconds, the call going to messages.

The children play with the bikes kept at the property and race up the driveway, William deliberately crashing his into the garden.

Between 9am and 9.30am: Foster father leaves Benaroon Drive for Laurieton township to buy prescription drugs from pharmacy and conduct business call via Skype.

William and his sister draw pictures and roll dice on the verandah of the house, William rolling ‘the dice very hard” and “jumping out of his skin with energy”.

The foster mother photographs William for the last time. He is “roaring” in a tiger game on the verandah.

William gets bored and runs down from the verandah onto the grass.

It is now after 10am, probably between 10.10am and 10.30am.

WHERE’S WILLIAM?


The foster mother notices it is quiet and goes to search for William in the yard. William has vanished.

The foster father texts the foster mother saying he is five minutes away.

On or after 10.30am: The foster father returns in his vehicle and when told by the foster mother William has disappeared, the foster father “just bolted ... running for William”.

The foster mother “didn’t see him for ages after that” and searches the street with female neighbours helping.

10.56am: Foster mother dials triple-0 informing police she’s the mother of a boy called William who has been missing for approximately 15-20 minutes.

11.06am: Police arrive at Benaroon Drive. Neighbours and locals join in search with police.

William’s foster mother calls the Salvation Army.

Neighbour Lydene Heslop contacts friends via Facebook to help in search.

Police begin house-to-house search.

Around 4pm: Police in Sydney knock on the door of William’s biological parents and ask if they know where William is. They search the house. The mother is crying and confused.

When the birth father arrived home to find William is missing, he says “he’s f***ing what?”

Salvation Army workers arrive, but the father becomes angry about FACS.

“They f***ed up. The minister has a duty of care to keep him safe until 18,” he will later say.

5pm: Benaroon Drive neighbour Lydene Heslop turns on a food van for weary searchers.

Overnight: Temperature drops to 13.2 degrees.

SATURDAY, 13 September:

6am
: Large scale search mounted to find William. Command post set up at Kendall Showground. Police encourage volunteers to wear high vis gear to help in search with officers, sniffer dogs, SES, and PolAir helicopters.

Hundreds register, including surf lifesavers, the Rural Fire Service and locals on horseback, trail bikes and with their own dogs to search in scrub near Benaroon Drive, and the Kendall and Middle Brother state forests.

9.20am: Police reveal Williams suffers from asthma.

Police increase search area and police divers are sent to check dams and waterways.

6.30pm: Mid North Cost LAC Commander Superintendent Paul Fehon says volunteers can arrive at 7am for the search’s resumption on Sunday.

14 September: Hundreds continue the search in rugged terrain. Foster mother gives first statement to police.

15 September: Massive search continues with sex crimes officers from the newly formed Strike Force Rosann speaking to local residents.

16 September: Reports of no leads on fifth day of searching for William. The ABC reports police are talking to known sex offenders in the Mid North Coast region.

18 September: Foster mother picks up relative from Port Macquarie airport and suddenly remembers three strange cars being in Benaroon Drive before William’s disappearance.

Gives second police statement, at Port Macquarie, and says while searching for William on September 12 she heard a quick, sharp high-pitched scream from the reeds and a grassy knoll.

The sound was “like ... when a child hurts themselves” although “maybe it was a bird”

20 September: Foster parents issue thank you letter to searchers.

21 September: Police scale back search.

6.1.2015: - Media reports claim Superintendent Paul Fehon has denied reports investigators are treating the case as a targeted abduction.

21.1.2015: Police descend on the town of Laurieton and on a house at Bonny Hills, 26km east of Kendall, belonging to washing machine repairman, Bill Spedding.

Police will search the house, drain a septic tank, and find nothing, with Mr Spedding later being cleared of any connection with William’s disappearance.

19.2.2015: Strike Force Rosann asks for anyone within one kilometre of 48 Benaroon Drive on the morning of September 12, 2014 to come forward.

2.3.2015: Police search Bonny Hills bushland.

17.3.2015: Foster mother gives third statement to police, with detailed descriptions of two cars, white and dark grey, she saw in the street on the day.

17.04.2015: Strike Force Rosann reveals it is investigating a large paedophile ring on the Mid North Coast attached to William’s disappearance.

26.6.2015: On what would have been William’s fourth birthday, Strike Force Rosann commander Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin says William may still be alive.

7.9.2015: Foster Mother’s phone call to triple-0 released to media.

20.12.2015: Foster Mother says William’s sister may have been the only witness to abduction and that she knows a “bad person took William”.

12.09.2016: $1m reward for finding William announced. Despite it being known William is a fostered child, under law this is yet to be publicly revealed.

7.9.2016: FACS seek and receive injunction preventing publication of William being under parental responsibility of Minister of FACS and in foster or out of home care.

January, 2017: Following a legal bid by child welfare advocate Allanna Smith, NSW Supreme Court Justice Paul Brereton rules William’s foster status can be revealed due to “substantial public interest” in the integrity of the out-of-home care system.

He rules the public has been misled and “been given to think that [his] carers are his parents”.

FACS appeals the decision and the ruling remains secret.

August 2017: The Court of Criminal Appeal upholds Justice Brereton’s decision, which is finally revealed to the media and community.

June 2018: Gary Jubelin leads a last ditch search of the Kendall area for signs of William. Nothing vital is found.

September 2018: Inquest announced into William Tyrrell’s disappearance.

Late 2018: Tensions begin to boil in the NSW Homicide Squad between detectives investigating William, with dispute over the focus on one or more persons of interest. This will soon lead to Jubelin stepping down as strike force commander.

March, 2019: A week of preliminary hearings of the William Tyrrell inquest opens at the Lidcombe Coroner’s Court. William’s biological parents speak out about their grief over their son’s abduction.

June 2019: Mr Jubelin is charged with breaches of the Surveillance Devices Act, for allegedly recording conversations with persons including Kendall neighbour, Paul Savage.

July, 2019: Jubelin retires from the NSW Police and appears in court on four charges, for which he has pleaded not guilty.

August, 2019: Inquest into William Tyrrell’s disappearance resumes.
 

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Timeline Continued

August 2019:
The second tranche of inquest hearings began on Wednesday August 7

Inquest hears Bill Spedding, a NSW mid-north coast repairman and one-time person of interest in the disappearance of William Tyrrell, met his wife for coffee about 9.30am in Laurieton, a 15-minute drive from Kendall, on the day William went missing.

They then attended a school assembly across the road to see a child in their care receive an award.

The inquest heard how a man who claims he saw William Tyrrell unrestrained in the back of a speeding car on the day the child went missing was waiting for police to interview him to tell them what he saw.

He told the inquest he contacted police but did not hear back about an interview.

It took it took almost 1000 days before he was able to reveal what he saw to police.

The coroner orders an urgent probe into the final image that was taken on the day William vanished as metadata suggests the picture may have been taken 118 minutes earlier than originally thought.

The image has a 'created time' of 7.39am and a 'corrected time' of 9.37am, a new document from the 2000-page evidence brief.

The coronial inquest has been delayed for another eight months with the next round of hearings happening in March 2020.

November 11: The deputy state coroner releases footage of William Tyrrell and family at Heatherbrae McDonalds, on September 11, 2014

Feb - March 2020: Gary Jubelin defends four charges of illegally recording person of interest Paul Savage in court hearing


February 21: Daily Mail Australia reveals Frank Abbott was arrested in custody for the purposes of a police interview about William's disappearance

March 2020: The coronial inquest into William's disappearance resumes but stops with two days to go due to the coronavirus outbreak

April 6, 2020: Magistrate Ross Hudson delivers his verdict in Gary Jubelin case

April 8, 2020: Jubelin is convicted of all four charges and fined $10,000. Ex-cop says he will appeal

June 22, 2020: Police and SES launch new search for William Tyrrell near Herons Creek, where Abbott once lived

June 26, 2021: Police acknowledge William Tyrrell's 10th birthday

November 15, 2021: Detectives return to Kendall after receiving new information and admit they are searching for a body. His foster parents are reported to be persons of interest in the case

December 15, 2021: Police reveal a bone fragment of unknown origin has been found in the search ahead, and are planning to wrap up the search by the end of the week

Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...police-version-happened-home-disappeared.html
 

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Their payments for the care of WT would have been ceased not long after he went missing imo. I've looked at rate of payments, nobody's going to get rich fostering kids and they clearly weren't in it for the money.

They were shrewd. FFFC was hoping to sell her mother’s valuables on eBay. That was a reason she sighted for going to Kendall that weekend. With all due respect, if you don’t know the fosters and haven’t interviewed them - how are you sure what their motivation was for fostering? How do you know for sure it wasn’t for money?
 

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They were shrewd. FFFC was hoping to sell her mother’s valuables on eBay. That was a reason she sighted for going to Kendall that weekend. With all due respect, if you don’t know the fosters and haven’t interviewed them - how are you sure what their motivation was for fostering? How do you know for sure it wasn’t for money?

Logically and with several million dollars behind them, they didn't foster kids for the money. They live on the North Shore, the money they get for fostering one child probably wouldn't even cover foster daughter's share of the rent.
 

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