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well he certainly knew he was going to brisbane by waiting.
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Disastrous Recruiting decisions
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well he certainly knew he was going to brisbane by waiting.
Spiro_Malakellis
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I second that - and will mention a few of those disasters: Spinks, J. Mooney, Gircic. White and Murphy were not a disasters per say, but were poor short term decisions vs drafting for the future. I have the 150th edition of the GFC guernsey with the hoops made up of all the players names in the history of the club. I wish all these names could be erased. In their place I would make an honorary mention to Steven Wells - easily the greatest recruiting manager going around and a big part of 07/09 flags.
Firstly ... Def: popularism - music adapted to the understanding and taste of the majority. Sure, we're not talking music here, but many an analogy abounds on these boards. But you're right, "Populist" would have probably been a better choice.
Secondly, the whole team was dreadful in Round 1 against the Blues. Matter of fact, Tambling was one of the few that at least inflicted some pain on a couple of Blues players with crunching tackles. Wasn't our worst on the night. Picked up an injury in the third quarter and subsequently missed Round 2 match.
He was terrible in Round 3 against the Dogs. However, given that his child was born on the Thursday beforehand and he hadn't slept in the 48 hours leading up to the match, he should never have played. Tambling looked and played like a George A Romero extra on that day at Etihad, and was dropped for the next match.
He made a great comeback in Round 6 against the Swans at the SCG, and went on to have a very solid season, almost exclusively in the midfield.
It's not who you get the stats for. It's who you get the stats against.
Tambling plays against the same teams as every other player.
TheGodDelusion
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Even then, I wouldn't say they weren't "better able" to do anything. It wasn't necessarily that he was better managed at Geelong, it was more that he was just given virtual carte blanche to behave however the hell he wanted to. The Hawks teams of that era were built on discipline and the team unit coming first; an environment that Ablett wasn't, and never would've been, capable of surviving in. Though he went on to become a magnificent individual player, he was an extremely selfish and divisive figure around both the clubs he was involved with. Ask (his former captain) Mick Turner about the cancerous influence he was on that club. Geelong of the late-80's/early 90's fielded some extraordinarily talented teams, and on talent alone, should at the very least have won one, if not more flags.
Good enough to be a top-5 player at your club though.
Jonny Hay...now there was a KPD. At one stage anyway.
disgruntled goat
Premiership Player
Yep, but didn't we also somehow miss the boat with James Hird?
Then again, Steven Tingay ... Nick Daffy ... Scott Russell ... Paul Chambers ...
I've just started reading this thread, so these fellers have probably been mentioned somewhere.
invinciBlues
Norm Smith Medallist
Mate, everybody missed the boat with Hird. Got drafted at pick ~70-80.
un-****ing-believable what he turned into. Mind you, he almost got delisted from the bombers early on due his constant injuries. If it wasn't for Sheedy going into bat for him, chances are he wouldn't even be a household name.
so on James Hird; virtually every single person involved at an AFL club at the time has egg on their face. Except Sheedy.
edit: 79th overall, 1990.
Here's the list of 78 spuds that got drafted before him. Their total number of games is on the far right. Bare in mind, Hird played 253 games:
Code:
1 Stephen Hooper Geelong East Perth 21
2 James Cook Carlton North Hobart 25
3 David Donato Fitzroy Clarence 12
4 Jason McCartney Collingwood Nhill 38
5 Stewart Devlin Geelong Horsham (VCFL) 0
6 Allen Jakovich Melbourne Woodville 47
7 Damian Hampson Carlton Subiaco 0
8 Paul Gow Footscray Swan Districts 7
9 Matt Clape West Coast East Perth 29
10 David Ogg Brisbane Swan Districts 9
11 Danny Sexton Nth Melbourne Lemnos (VCFL) 0
12 Shane Porter West Coast North Launceston 0
13 Todd Ridley Essendon Claremont 25
14 Andrew Hamer Collingwood Lakes Entrance (VCFL) 0
15 Andrew Harrison Brisbane Benalla (VCFL) 0
16 Todd Menegola Richmond Swan Distrists 19
17 Brendan Hehir Geelong Darley (VCFL) 0
18 Dan Miller Nth Melbourne Morwell (VCFL) 0
19 Gary Merritt Melbourne Tatura (VCFL) 0
20 Robbie West West Coast Wodonga (VCFL) 13
21 Richard Ambrose Essendon Shepparton (VCFL) 0
22 Paul Sharkey Collingwood Cath C. Bendigo (VCFL) 26
23 Ben Thomas Brisbane Port Fairy (VCFL) 0
24 John Fidge Essendon Glenelg 0
25 Peter Worsfold Brisbane South Fremantle 31
26 Dale Hall Sydney Hobart 0
27 Brad Davis Fitzroy Burnie Hawks (Tas) 5
28 Chris Smith Richmond Assumption Coll. (APS) 0
29 Byron Donnellan Geelong Donald (VCFL) 0
30 Matthew Young Hawthorn St Pats Launceston (T) 21
31 Nick Faull Brisbane Golden Point (VCFL) 0
32 Matthew Moylan Footscray Shepparton (VCFL) 0
33 Matthew Kelly Nth Melbourne Wedderburn (VCFL) 0
34 Brad Read Hawthorn East Fremantle 0
35 Stuart Anderson Nth Melbourne Sale (VCFL) 61
36 Matthew Burton West Coast Subiaco 0
37 Glen Hoffman Essendon Jeparit (VCFL) 0
38 Grant McFarlane Collingwood Wodonga (VCFL) 0
39 Nigel Palfreyman Brisbane Sandy Bay (Tas) 15
40 Mark Collins Sydney South Fremantle 0
41 Mark Jenkinson Fitzroy Willaura (VCFL) 0
42 Mark McQueen Richmond North Hobart 5
43 Glen Thomlinson Geelong Rochester (VCFL) 0
44 Scott Crow Hawthorn Port Fairy (VCFL) 13
45 Craig Jennings Nth Melbourne Traralgon (VCFL) 0
46 Brian McInnes Footscray Wick.-L. Bolac (VCFL) 0
47 Luke Chambers Brisbane Lucknow (VCFL) 0
48 Willie Rioli Hawthorn South Fremantle 0
49 Nick Daffy Richmond North Gambier (SA) 165
50 Craig Ellis Nth Melbourne Stawell (VCFL) 0
51 Jarrod Carter Essendon North Hobart 0
52 Brendon Retzlaff Collingwood Swan Districts 0
53 Stephen Pears Nth Melbourne Perth 0
54 Brian Stanislaus Sydney St Marys (NT) 1
55 Steven Byers Fitzroy New Norfolk (Tas) 0
56 Matthew Clarke Richmond West Gambier (SA) 0
57 Chris Barzon Geelong Mooroopna (VCFL) 0
58 Adrian Goldup Sydney Redcliffs (VCFL) 0
59 Cameron James Carlton Morwell (VCFL) 0
60 Rodney Harvey Footscray Trinity-Ararat (VCFL) 0
61 Michael Scoon North Melbourne Monbulk (VCFL) 0
62 Ben Herrald Hawthorn Assumption Coll. (APS) 0
63 Fabian Francis Melbourne Southern Districts (NT) 1
64 Derek Hall West Coast West Perth 2
65 Stephen Fry Essendon Clarence (Tas) 0
66 Bowden Hamilton Collingwood Colbinabbin (VCFL) 0
67 David Griffin Sydney South Bendigo (VCFL) 0
68 Peter Whyte Brisbane South Barwon (VCFL) 0
69 Gavin Cooney West Coast Clarence (Tas) 0
70 Stuart Johnstone Richmond Melbourne 0
71 Dennis Ryan Geelong Kyabram (VCFL) 0
72 Brian Wilson St Kilda Melbourne 7
73 Anthony McDonald Carlton Ballarat YCW (VCFL) 0
74 Paul Campbell Footscray Cobram (VCFL) 0
75 Robert Panozza Melbourne Wodonga Raiders (VCFL) 0
76 Robert Bowden Hawthorn Robinvale (VCFL) 0
77 Niall Buckley Melbourne County Kildare (Ireland) 0
78 Dean Harding Fitzroy Wangaratta Rovers (VCFL) 19
There are various different types of terrible decisions.
In the past there are the cases where fantastic, amazing players went late in the draft, eg Hird, Grant
There are recruiting/contract decisions that just don't make sense eg Jordan McMahon, Collingwood recruiting Morrison, etc
And there are ones that happened at the time that weren't considered bad then and now are.
I know it looks bad coming from a Tigers supporter, but at the time the Tambling over Franklin decision wasn't that bad. Firstly, Richmond, Hawthorn and the Dogs all passed on him. Griffin has been very good but let's not pretend the dogs don't still wish they drafted Buddy. But going into the draft Deledio/Griffen/Tambling were considered a very likely 1,2,3. Some even put Griffen at 3 and Tambling at 2. Roughead was considered the best KPP and Franklin was an enigma. Could be amazing but maybe not. While the talk was on whether Franklin could hack it at AFL level and questions about his maturity, at the same time people were saying Tambling could be the greatest Aboriginal player ever (gotta love how quick people are to heap praise)
So although it was a disastrous decision by Richmond, I can see how they made it, given many thought Tambling could be top 3 or even 2, and we already had a disastrous history in drafting screwups early.
Still, nightmares of a Richo and Buddy forward line haunt me to this day
In the past there are the cases where fantastic, amazing players went late in the draft, eg Hird, Grant
There are recruiting/contract decisions that just don't make sense eg Jordan McMahon, Collingwood recruiting Morrison, etc
And there are ones that happened at the time that weren't considered bad then and now are.
I know it looks bad coming from a Tigers supporter, but at the time the Tambling over Franklin decision wasn't that bad. Firstly, Richmond, Hawthorn and the Dogs all passed on him. Griffin has been very good but let's not pretend the dogs don't still wish they drafted Buddy. But going into the draft Deledio/Griffen/Tambling were considered a very likely 1,2,3. Some even put Griffen at 3 and Tambling at 2. Roughead was considered the best KPP and Franklin was an enigma. Could be amazing but maybe not. While the talk was on whether Franklin could hack it at AFL level and questions about his maturity, at the same time people were saying Tambling could be the greatest Aboriginal player ever (gotta love how quick people are to heap praise)
So although it was a disastrous decision by Richmond, I can see how they made it, given many thought Tambling could be top 3 or even 2, and we already had a disastrous history in drafting screwups early.
Still, nightmares of a Richo and Buddy forward line haunt me to this day
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Pav would have been handy in a forward pocket too... but I can see how you'd take Fiora.
bombermick
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Wow that is a long list of largely AFL nobodies. One person there that should have had a better career than Hird (at least on talent alone) was Allen Jackovich. Hird was talented but Jackovich could have being an all-time great full-forward.
Haha yeah... would have gone alright. I don't really recall who was expected to go first, although I do hear alot of people say that Richmond shocked alot of teams with taking Fiora before Pav.
The point I was trying to make was that the AFL draft goes fairly scripted, the players expected to be picked at certain spots generally go there, and at the time there isn't many cases of "Player X should have been taken before Player Y", and when they are they aren't as black and white as hindsight makes them
invinciBlues
Norm Smith Medallist
I'll be honest, I was only looking for his draft number for my post, and then I saw all those zeroes next to players. I couldn't believe what an overall worthless draft 1990 was.
I always knew Hird was overlooked until late... but how the hell could those 78 players go before him? Looking at the list, I see a lot of famous surnames with unfamiliar first names, Peter Worsfold for instance.
My suspicion is that the recruiters drafted solely on last names, sight unseen. There is no way there was any talent scouts employed by any club at the time.
Didn't he cop a lengthy suspension for manhandling a boundary umpire? Nothing malicious, just pushed him aside.
invinciBlues
Norm Smith Medallist
He's only fronted the AFl tribunal once for strinking Geelong's Ken Hinkley:
Worsfold, Peter
Brisbane
HA
1992
round 22
Striking
plea: Y
6 matches
15-08-1992
source
If he did hit a boundary ump, it wasn't in the AFL.
Must've been someone else then, but still a brother of another more accomplished player.
Norfolk Nadia
Team Captain
The list of games played looks like it only includes games at the original club.
It could be argued that Hird was "only" selected because he had an AFL name too . His grandfather and father had played for Essendon and his grandfather had also been the club president , vice president , treasurer , comittee member and coach of the club
It could be argued that Hird was "only" selected because he had an AFL name too . His grandfather and father had played for Essendon and his grandfather had also been the club president , vice president , treasurer , comittee member and coach of the club
Norfolk Nadia
Team Captain
From Wikipedia
"In 2002, while playing with the Donnybrook Football Club, Worsfold broke the jaw of his Bunbury opponent, Beau Tann. The following year he fronted court, charged with grievous bodily harm but was found not guilty after arguing that the act wasn't deliberate and that he had bumped Tann with his shoulder while vying for the football.[1]"
"In 2002, while playing with the Donnybrook Football Club, Worsfold broke the jaw of his Bunbury opponent, Beau Tann. The following year he fronted court, charged with grievous bodily harm but was found not guilty after arguing that the act wasn't deliberate and that he had bumped Tann with his shoulder while vying for the football.[1]"
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invinciBlues
Norm Smith Medallist
Damien Peverill 2004 "interfering With Official" is the best I could find. Tribunal searching is tedious as you have to search sites via google. I give up.
Could be my memory that wrong.
I recall he got suspended for 6 weeks. But it seems that was for striking. Maybe there was just some controversy about the manhandling an umpire that didn't get reported, and then they threw the book at him next week when he got booked for striking.
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Hird's grandfather was a EFC 2nds coach and never a senior coach..
Terry Daniher, Neale Daniher / Neville Fields trade
Swans really paid dearly for this blunder back in the late 70s.
Just finished reading an excellent new book about the Daniher brothers and in it is a great story about how the deal happened. Fields was an above average centreman who wanted more coin than Essendon would pay him and South Melbourne were desperate for him.
T.D was a up and coming 20 year old CHF and in the early stages of his career.
Terry's old man Jim actually part brokered the deal over the phone while sitting at the kitchen table from his farm in N.S.W. He said to the Swans man if you want Terry you have to take his brother Neale as well (who was three years younger and a star schoolboy champion footballer at Assumption College)
At the last moment-prompted by Edna Daniher from the sidelines- he also demanded that third youngest, Anthony, be also in the deal. (He later joined Swnas but ended up at EFC)
The Swans man agreed. But Jim made him put it in writing and wouldn't sign untill he got it. The letter read..
Dear Sir,
As previously arranged by our two Club presidents, the South Melbourne Football Club hereby agrees to release Neale Daniher, brother of Terry Daniher, to the Essendon Football Club, if and when he chooses and it will be free of any encumbrances.
This letter was later produced to secure the services of superstar youngster Neale. Old Jim got what he wanted-the boys at one club- and Essendon got two champions. Two club captains!
South got f..all. And years later, when Neville was 29, he was traded back to EFC for free.