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Paddy Hicks said:
Mature!

It's no whinging mate, I'm just not agreeing with the line they have taken with Camporeale. I don't think we should have traded for heaps of recycled players or whatever - what I'm saying is that we should have got something, anything for him, even pick 60 as we could use it on a kid.

Pick 60 could be a Heath Hocking or Alipate Carlile from the TAC Cup. That's what I'm saying and you think they did the right thing, come on!
But if he walks out, it frees another spot on our list which can be filled at either the national or pre-season draft as a last round pick. This spot might be filled by say pick 65 in the national draft on any kid, so there's little difference between that and accepting a pick 50 or 60 for him so why trade?

No point helping the Bombers if they're going to insult us with their offer, now they have to be careful what price Campo puts on his head - we haven't ruled out re-drafting him (of course we won't, but it puts doubt in Sheedy's mind).

You go into the national draft with the amount of draft picks it would require to fill your club list after you've made your delistings and trades. Teams have to draft a minimum 3 players, but they can pass on later picks if they choose, to for instance save a spot for a UPD pick.
 

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But if he walks out, it frees another spot on our list which can be filled at either the national or pre-season draft as a last round pick. This spot might be filled by say pick 65 in the national draft on any kid, so there's little difference between that and accepting a pick 50 or 60 for him so why trade?

No point helping the Bombers if they're going to insult us with their offer, now they have to be careful what price Campo puts on his head - we haven't ruled out re-drafting him (of course we won't, but it puts doubt in Sheedy's mind).

You go into the national draft with the amount of draft picks it would require to fill your club list after you've made your delistings and trades. Teams have to draft a minimum 3 players, but they can pass on later picks if they choose, to for instance save a spot for a UPD pick.
Spot on DIG ... exactly the reasons we didn't trade him. Carlton clearly did the right thing. It's funny how some people can't see the whole picture.
 

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Essendon didn't offer anything worth the list spot, or the money for the contract, so I have no problem losing Campo for nothing.

When our good young players come out of contract, in years to come, we'll need space in the cap for them. More-so they'll likely be more appreciative of it.
 
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Thanks for the great work done during trade week Denis! You and your merry men did a fantastic job to improve our player list. Saddington is all we got?

I like Saddington but why was nothing done for Lappin, Fevola, Whitnall or Camporeale - 1 or 2 of them should have been traded at the very least.

Camporeale and/or Lappin will now walk for free so well done Denis!

I'm pretty comfortable with Dennis and team. He's letting the right players go and they know through their links who's who during trade period, what other players heads and bodies are like. There's going to be more pain before we get back to where we belong. Making an example of Camp and Lappin is as much a culture change than anything. Have some faith, we are in good hands. Takes a long time to build a list. They kept all the picks other than a late one which I was happy with the trade.Put your knives away.
Loyalty and belief in the club is what we need at this time.
 

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I'm pretty comfortable with Dennis and team. He's letting the right players go and they know through their links who's who during trade period, what other players heads and bodies are like. There's going to be more pain before we get back to where we belong. Making an example of Camp and Lappin is as much a culture change than anything. Have some faith, we are in good hands. Takes a long time to build a list. They kept all the picks other than a late one which I was happy with the trade.Put your knives away.
Loyalty and belief in the club is what we need at this time.
Knives aren't out mate, I haven't asked for his resignation or anything! Would rather the club is smart rather than pretending to take a "tough stance" on older players.
 

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DIG said:
But if he walks out, it frees another spot on our list which can be filled at either the national or pre-season draft as a last round pick. This spot might be filled by say pick 65 in the national draft on any kid, so there's little difference between that and accepting a pick 50 or 60 for him so why trade?

No point helping the Bombers if they're going to insult us with their offer, now they have to be careful what price Campo puts on his head - we haven't ruled out re-drafting him (of course we won't, but it puts doubt in Sheedy's mind).

You go into the national draft with the amount of draft picks it would require to fill your club list after you've made your delistings and trades. Teams have to draft a minimum 3 players, but they can pass on later picks if they choose, to for instance save a spot for a UPD pick.
Why trade for him? If they offered say pick 50 for him then I would take it because we would be getting a later pick in the draft if he walks for nothing so we would get an earlier pick on a kid. Little difference with pick 50 and 65? Quite a large one IMO!

We ARE helping the Bombers now as they will get him for nothing which most people don't seem to be able to comprehend. We won't redraft him, we'll take Selwood or McLaren if available. The Bombers want him for 2 years so they will take him as Collingwood and Hawthorn want younger players. We are helping Essendon get Camporeale for nothing as they are the only club out of the bottom 4 teams that would take him in the PSD.
 

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Spot on DIG ... exactly the reasons we didn't trade him. Carlton clearly did the right thing. It's funny how some people can't see the whole picture.
And that would be you!
 

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And that would be you!
You don't seem to have much of a clue. Let me explain. If you asked each club to pick the top 50 players nominated for the draft, you'd find the top 10 would be pretty similar, the next ten less so, and you'd be lucky to find any players from 40 to 50 which were the same.

Have a look at the footydraft.com predicted draft for instance. As excellent a job as footyman does, going by last year there'll be a plethora of players he had as selected, who won't even get picked up on draft day. The odds of this costing us, are minuscule.

If the Bombers were offering pick 51 for Campo, then come draft have a look how many clubs will pass on their picks after that, and try to tell us that Carlton did the wrong thing playing hardball with him. It was the right decision, it makes it harder for the Bombers, I'm comfortable with it, and I know i'm not alone amongst Blues supporters in thinking this.
 

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We are helping Essendon get Camporeale for nothing
and in return they are getting nothing, a nothing player (although i do think we could have had some value out of him in a back pocket).
 

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DIG said:
You don't seem to have much of a clue. Let me explain. If you asked each club to pick the top 50 players nominated for the draft, you'd find the top 10 would be pretty similar, the next ten less so, and you'd be lucky to find any players from 40 to 50 which were the same.

Have a look at the footydraft.com predicted draft for instance. As excellent a job as footyman does, going by last year there'll be a plethora of players he had as selected, who won't even get picked up on draft day. The odds of this costing us, are minuscule.

If the Bombers were offering pick 51 for Campo, then come draft have a look how many clubs will pass on their picks after that, and try to tell us that Carlton did the wrong thing playing hardball with him. It was the right decision, it makes it harder for the Bombers, I'm comfortable with it, and I know i'm not alone amongst Blues supporters in thinking this.
I don't care if you are alone or not alone - big deal, who cares! Footydraft.com is great for a look but is not usually that close. You could ask most people about their top 10 and they'd be similar to Footydraft.com, but that's beside the point anyway.

Have a look at what was originally talked about. It was all about losing Camporeale for nothing and possibly Lappin. It doesn't make it any harder for the Bombers as they now will get him for FREE! Hawthorn, Carlton and Collingwood won't take him. That's the bottom line. You are blinded by this talk of "taking the hard line or senior players". Taking this line is ok but it hasn't been that smart in this case IMO.

As said before, it's only my opinion and some of us have differing ones which is fine. I just hope it all works out for the CFC is all and overall I'm sure 2006 will be good to us! Cheers.
 

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and in return they are getting nothing, a nothing player (although i do think we could have had some value out of him in a back pocket).
Wrong, they get a very good player. Regardless of what people may think about him he can play, and I've never been a huge fan of him but nevertheless he offers any team a good player. If he goes them so be it but don't say that he is a nothing player 'cos that's rubbish.
 

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Wrong, they get a very good player. Regardless of what people may think about him he can play, and I've never been a huge fan of him but nevertheless he offers any team a good player. If he goes them so be it but don't say that he is a nothing player 'cos that's rubbish.
i'm saying it because I believe it. I don't think he will bring anything to the bombers. that's my opinion. I also respect your opinion, even if I don't agree with it.

my preference would have been for campo to stay and play in a back pocket (and commit himself to that position) for 2-3 years more. If I were in charge I would give him what he is asking for, provided that he commits himself to playing in a back pocket.
 

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i'm saying it because I believe it. I don't think he will bring anything to the bombers. that's my opinion. I also respect your opinion, even if I don't agree with it.

my preference would have been for campo to stay and play in a back pocket (and commit himself to that position) for 2-3 years more. If I were in charge I would give him what he is asking for, provided that he commits himself to playing in a back pocket.
Fair enough mate. As I said I'm not a huge fan of his, always thought he was a good player but that's about it. He has been a very good player for the CFC, and in many ways still is.

I agree with you about him playing back pocket. I think your spot on as he played quite well there in the last 6 or so rounds on 2005. If he goes who would you like to play that back pocket role? Someone quick like Russell or a stopper in close like Bentick or Blackwell? Cheers.
 
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