Dislikable Test XI

[RoosterLad]

Which would indicate that racism is not a one way street, but it doesn't indicate that it's non-existant.

You have basically said that only aussies are racist.

 

[jo172]

You have basically said that only aussies are racist.

No i've said they're racist and dislikable, I've made no point of excluding others or lionising others as races.

There are cricketers I like and dislike in almost every side in the world*.

Currently the balance in the Australian team has well and truly shifted to w***er. I for one link it to the fact that all have only known Ponting as a captain relative to the previous generation mostly blooded under Mark Taylor, a much more affable human being.


*I am totally neutral to every Bangladeshi.

 

[Cap]

Total rubbish.

How come Harbajhan is the biggest w***er in world cricket but Ricky Ponting is the ultimate competitor?

I don't reckon Ponting is the ultimate competitor and I doubt you'll find anyone who would even suggest that, your making things up to justify your stance.

Australia has a long tradition of respecting opposition players (especially the good ones) with as many opposition players becoming fan favorites as villians
(Think Bond, De Villers, Flintoff, Tendulkar, Afridi, The Sri lankan keeper with the massive long name who just seemed to belt six after six after six).

Yes the last test had some bizzare behaviour in it but from the look of the players its only people like you getting your knickers in a knot.

 

[Cap]

No i've said they're racist and dislikable, I've made no point of excluding others or lionising others as races.

There are cricketers I like and dislike in almost every side in the world*.

Currently the balance in the Australian team has well and truly shifted to w***er. I for one link it to the fact that all have only known Ponting as a captain relative to the previous generation mostly blooded under Mark Taylor, a much more affable human being.


*I am totally neutral to every Bangladeshi.

is it w***er or racists? they are two very different things.

I agree with the w***er part but not the racist part.

 

[jo172]

I don't reckon Ponting is the ultimate competitor and I doubt you'll find anyone who would even suggest that, your making things up to justify your stance.

Ok, replace Ponting with Langer, or Warne, or McGrath, or Hussey.

You constantly see glowing hyperbole of Australian players displaying their "gritty determination" allowing them to do "anything to win."

Australians have prided themselves on their "competitiveness" and "mental warfare" yet are total hypocries when this is replayed on themselves.

is it w***er or racists? they are two very different things.

I agree with the w***er part but not the racist part.

The distinction here is that the racism is unintentional. No one's calling people a "black ****". But there is a noticable change of attitude from the Australian team when a coloured player stands up for themselves.

Australia has a long tradition of respecting opposition players (especially the good ones) with as many opposition players becoming fan favorites as villians
(Think Bond, De Villers, Flintoff, Tendulkar, Afridi, The Sri lankan keeper with the massive long name who just seemed to belt six after six after six).

Think of Chris Gayle on Saturday ...

 

[aneale]

Total rubbish.

How come Harbajhan is the biggest w***er in world cricket but Ricky Ponting is the ultimate competitor?

Because he is. The bloke isn't even universally liked in India,unusual given the god-like status cricketers are given. He's largely considered to be a tool who holds the class structure that is apparent in India to inside the ground and dressing room as well. How many other cricketers have you seen hit a team mate? He polarises opinion in India much the same as some of our players do here. It has nothing to do with race.

Ponting is also a 10,000 test run scorer, Singh is an average bowler pretty much everywhere bar the subcontinent where he is unplayable. One will go down as a great of the game, the other will go down as a reasonable off-spinner with inflated stats due to where they play who has never managed a MOM award outside of India.

 

[aneale]

The distinction here is that the racism is unintentional. No one's calling people a "black ****". But there is a noticable change of attitude from the Australian team when a coloured player stands up for themselves.

In your opinion.

There are plenty of white cricketers and cricketing nations who don't agree with you.

 

[jo172]

One will go down as a great of the game, the other will go down as a reasonable off-spinner with inflated stats due to where they play who has never managed a MOM award outside of India.

Great of the game and not being a w***er don't go hand in hand. Take Sir Don who by all accounts did everything you just accused Harbajhan of, take his attitudes towards Catholics for example.

 

[Invigoration]

Which would indicate that racism is not a one way street, but it doesn't indicate that it's non-existant.

Or that people are biased and patriotic to their country, big surprise. Why do you see the need to paint everything as being racist, you seem to go out of your way to find it in situations were it just isn't evident at all.

Confrontations of the same nature of occurred regularly with countries such as England and New Zealand (although you seem to deny it citing some mythical attitude change), yet for some reason you don't think they are relevant because they don't support your rant?

 

[jo172]

Confrontations of the same nature of occurred regularly with countries such as England and New Zealand (although you seem to deny it citing some mythical attitude change), yet for some reason you don't think they are relevant because they don't support your rant?

How can I simultaneously deny something and not think it's relevant?

 

[Cap]

Ok, replace Ponting with Langer, or Warne, or McGrath, or Hussey.

You constantly see glowing hyperbole of Australian players displaying their "gritty determination" allowing them to do "anything to win."

There is a vast difference between gritty determination and ultimate competitor. Langer was a gritty player because he didn’t have the skills as Ponting Warne and Mcgrath.
In Terms of bowling Warne and McGrath were basically as ultimate as your going to see, they had the mixture of pure talent AND tactical genius.

Jo you have to remember you’ve just witnessed probably the golden age of Australian Cricket so don’t mix up once in a life talent to talking up players.

Doing “anything to win” is a bit of bullshit I agree, but given the ICC stance on this stuff I reckon the team is nowhere near as bad as it once was and to Pontings credit he is trying to address it.

Australians have prided themselves on their "competitiveness" and "mental warfare" yet are total hypocrites when this is replayed on themselves.

Whilst in some cases yes but your not including the fact that there is varying levels of verbal confrontations and I would think what is and what is not acceptable. Its not as black and white as you seem to try and make things.

The distinction here is that the racism is unintentional. No one's calling people a "black ****". But there is a noticeable change of attitude from the Australian team when a coloured player stands up for themselves.

perhaps you’re the one with the racists view? If you can’t treat “someone of colour” as you so eloquently put it, the same way you treat a white fella then who is the racist?

Perhaps the West Indies are good at sledging and getting what they want? That’s a reaction, They seem to have an up and coming team and are pushing the boundaries which I hope like hell they are because its about time they were back at the top of World Cricket. For me a bit of argy bargy makes it more enjoyable, you know there is passion out there.

Think of Chris Gayle on Saturday ...

I have to admit all I saw was Wattos over reaction, did the crowd give him shit?

 

[aneale]

Great of the game and not being a w***er don't go hand in hand. Take Sir Don who by all accounts did everything you just accused Harbajhan of, take his attitudes towards Catholics for example.

Yes it does, history determines how you will be remembered. A lot of sins are forgiven depending on your status in the game. Ponting, like Waugh will be portrayed as determined and strong willed characters who led from the front and were elite. Don Bradman could have burnt catholics on his front lawn with an average of 99.96. Don universally loved in India, Singh not. See how that works. One is an immortal of the game, one isn't even considered in the best 3 spinners the country has produced who goes around hitting blokes he plays with. How many times has Singh been banned by the ICC or Indian Board? He has a history of run ins with his own administration. Don once refused to stop working for a paper. There is a big difference.

 

[Invigoration]

Ok, replace Ponting with Langer, or Warne, or McGrath, or Hussey.

You constantly see glowing hyperbole of Australian players displaying their "gritty determination" allowing them to do "anything to win."

Australians have prided themselves on their "competitiveness" and "mental warfare" yet are total hypocries when this is replayed on themselves.

With the exception of the Harbi incident (which seemingly had some blatant racist undertones), what else are you referring to when Australian's have been hypocrites about opposition teams playing in the same manner we have?

The distinction here is that the racism is unintentional. No one's calling people a "black ****". But there is a noticable change of attitude from the Australian team when a coloured player stands up for themselves.



Think of Chris Gayle on Saturday ...

What a load of shit, you're absolutely clutching at straws. Watson celebrates exuberantly, albeit like a twat, and it is instantly unintentional racism? It couldn't just be that this bloke has spent years trying to get a spot playing for Australia and is finally managing to contribute something that he may have acted a little over the top and lost his head?

Not to forget about 10 of the very same incidents took place against the English, but these are obviously not relevant when you are discussing our teams supposed attitude change? How many times did Freddy Flintoff clash with blokes from our team, all banter went both ways and at the end of the day it is fine. The same thing occurs with a nation of different colour and all of a sudden there has to be a deeper seeded meaning for it? We couldn't fathom that it could just be two sets of men playing their hearts out for their countries, of course not, they must just be racist

 

[jo172]

Yes it does, history determines how you will be remembered. A lot of sins are forgiven depending on your status in the game.

Which is exactly what i'm whining about. Due to a perceived higher standing in the game of blokes who have achieved **** all such as Bollinger, Haddin and Watson they are given the right to act like their king shit. Ponting is the only bloke in the 11 that played at the WACA with any significant test match achievments. Yet these blokes are equal in arrogance to that of the golden age without the ability to back it up.

Don Bradman could have burnt catholics on his front lawn with an average of 99.96.

Cringes, 99.94 FFS! It's the most famous number in the game! And I for one still think cricket is a game with an abbreviated moral and ethical code relative to most of the cricketing world. Certain types of behaviour are just plainly unacceptable regardless of ability.

Don universally loved in India, Singh not. See how that works. One is an immortal of the game, one isn't even considered in the best 3 spinners the country has produced who goes around hitting blokes he plays with. How many times has Singh been banned by the ICC or Indian Board? He has a history of run ins with his own administration. Don once refused to stop working for a paper. There is a big difference.

At least I now understand your logic, if you're good enough you can be a ****.

How on earth then do you allow what by any means of measuring is a mediocre test XI to behave like *****?

 

[Invigoration]

How can I simultaneously deny something and not think it's relevant?

So you don't think they exist because they don't support your rant (the point was pretty obvious).... You think they only do "campaignerish" things against those nations, like mock them over deaths in their families.
Against coloured nations though, those raging racist Aussies go out and do disgusting things like over the top celebrations and running down their rightful path between wickets.

Is anyone thinking of the children?!

 

[Cap]

Anyway, Jo I really don't have anything against you (especially being one of the better posters on here) I just get very angry at how quickly and easily Australians can be labelled racists given the level of tolerance avaliable in this country compared to many parts of the world.

From the interactions I have had in other parts other parts of the world we are a very very accepting lot.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The batsman has the right of way - Johnson could've sat Benn on his arse instead of doing the right thing and trying to avoid him. Benn responds by elbowing/bumping/grabbing Johnson - that's clearly out of line and not on. You can't get physical in Cricket, Benn was soley responsible for the first, and primarily responsible for the second.

Wrong. A popular misconception.

No one has the right of way. The batter is of course allowed to hold their line, providing they run in a straight line and don't deviate deliberately to contact the bowler/fielder.

And the bowler/fielder is allowed to run towards the ball (or the stumps) as required, again provided that they run in a straight line and don't deviate deliberately to contact the batter.

Sometimes collisions occur but there is no right of way.

Sarwan made some wise remark about his wife got all he deserved.

Wrong. It was McGrath who was being an absolute f___wit and sledging Sarwan. At one stage he asked Sarwan, "What does Brian Lara's **** taste like?"

Sarwan responded with, "Ask your wife."

A pretty humorous and understandable comeback I would have thought. McGrath of course went ballistic. So he basically spewed venom and abuse at Sarwan for several overs and then went nuts when he had one comment back to him.

 

[Jars458]

1. Gavaskar
2. Hayden
3. Langer
4. Pieteresen
5. Symonds
6. Watson
7. Haddin
8. Warne
9. Harbijan
10. Nel
11. McGrath


For various reasons all of the above shit me. Some of them superb cricketers but its not ability that makes you like a bloke or not.

I laugh at posters saying people who have a go at assuie players are tall poppy knockers or self hating.

I love myself thanks, but I am allowed to jduge others by my own very high standards and therefore can criticise all of the above.

The Aussie players often sturggle to cope when things go agianst them or it is taken up with them.

I still want Aussies to win all of the time, though they are currently making it very very hard with their behaviour.

 

[Bicks]

If a person with white skin has an argument with a person with black skin the white one is the racist? That seems to be your argument here.

Perhaps its just two sportsman dedicated to winning having a disagreement?

pretty much every country who is any good at cricket has had these kind of incidents and they have happened far more often over the last 20 years and it happens over many many sports.

your just another one of these people who love to throw racism out there to try and win an argument.

Exactly the way I see jo 172's slant on this topic too Cap!!!!!

One rule for the Aussies, different rules for everyone else, particularly non caucasians!!!!

 

[aneale]

Which is exactly what i'm whining about. Due to a perceived higher standing in the game of blokes who have achieved **** all such as Bollinger, Haddin and Watson they are given the right to act like their king shit. Ponting is the only bloke in the 11 that played at the WACA with any significant test match achievments. Yet these blokes are equal in arrogance to that of the golden age without the ability to back it up.

Bollinger isn't arrogant, he acts like most new players, same goes for Watson, they are rather mediocre test cricketers who get carried away. Haddin is better than mediocre, he is a game changer. None of them are anywhere near as arrogant as McGrath, Warne, Hayden, Ponting, Waugh, Jones, Martin etc. Arrogant isn't acting like a knob. Watson isn't arrogant, the bloke is genuinely surprised he is in the team, he doesn't believe he has some god given right to be there, same goes for Bollinger and Siddle. They act like blokes who know they are not test standard and are guilty of some pretty ordinary exuberance when they achieve something. That doesn't make them arrogant, it certainly doesn't make them racist.

You brought up the issue as to why Pointing is seen as one way and Singh another. You got your answer. I've still not seen anyone burn an effigy of Ponting in down town Hobart.

Say they act like dicks and people will agree with you, but given you obviously don't know the definition of arrogance (and not just the run of the mill stuff all top level sportsman have) nor do you have anything to back up any claims of racism other than selectively picking out which incidents support your statement, then people won't agree with you.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

You constantly see glowing hyperbole of Australian players displaying their "gritty determination" allowing them to do "anything to win.

The distinction here is that the racism is unintentional. No one's calling people a "black ****". But there is a noticable change of attitude from the Australian team when a coloured player stands up for themselves.

Really? Did you miss all the pages of absolute rubbish that was vented towards the Australian team after a certain test match against India in Sydney not that long ago?

Yes, yes there is someone who has called someone that. His name is Harbhajhan Singh and he is Indian not Australian, and he racially abused an Australian, which led to the most pathetic carry on I have ever seen from a visiting cricket team. And lets not take too close a look at Indian crowds now shall we.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Bullshit, the tough macho man attitude trumps up every time Australia plays a coloured side. You don't see ********s threatening to throw down the stumps when the batsman's in his crease, or blokes running up to the opposition captain to give him a huge send off when it's England, New Zealand or South Africa. Those teams are treated with respect.

You spot the variable when comparing those teams to the West Indies, India etc.

Rubbish. Total and utter rubbish this post is. I've seen more than one spray given to New Zealanders, English and South Africans over the years.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

I just get very angry at how quickly and easily Australians can be labelled racists given the level of tolerance avaliable in this country compared to many parts of the world.

From the interactions I have had in other parts other parts of the world we are a very very accepting lot.

Exactly the way I see jo 172's slant on this topic too Cap!!!!!

One rule for the Aussies, different rules for everyone else, particularly non caucasians!!!!

Couldn't agree more with all of this. I am extremely sick and tired of the racist card being played towards us. Go out and see the world people, you'll find as a nation we are way up there as one of the best in the world for how people are treated.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

For various reasons all of the above shit me. Some of them superb cricketers but its not ability that makes you like a bloke or not.

Why Langer?

 

[jo172]

Why Langer?

Listen to any of his commentary over the test?

FFS, why you would attempt to coach and comment at the same time is beyond me as you've got no chance of coming close to neutrality not to mention the complete unfunniness/interestingness of that Glen Archer story which went on for three ****ing days!

That and he was reportedly a little brown noser.