Disposal efficiency/effectivness

[Furn2]

There was a stat or rating by champion data going around that rating kicking efficiency taking degree of difficulty into account.

 

[RonSon]

I don't get why this isn't a stat
Net Effective Disposals - Effective Disposals minus Clangers
Still based around effective disposals so players who are good at accumulating don't get overlooked with a purely effective disposal percentage. However clangers are taken away as they are detrimental.
Also differentiates between a ineffective disposal and a clanger. A bad kick to a player 35 metres away on the lead that gets spoiled out of bounds would be a bad kick under disposal efficiency, however it isn't a clanger by any means. It's just a bad kick that should have been flatter or put in front of your teammate. A clanger should be counted differently.

Frees against also count as clangers so they aren't totally relevant to a discussion purely about disposal.

 

[Iron]

I'd rather have a player go in and get the ball 30 times and **** up 10 of those, than only go in 15 times and **** up 3 of them.

Percentages are too neat a measure.

 

[Foxx]

Where do you find stats with DE in the column? Cant find one that does.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

There was a stat or rating by champion data going around that rating kicking efficiency taking degree of difficulty into account.

Yes, but that rated Rioli #1 (by a huge margin) so was quickly rubbished.

 

[Damon_3388]

Where do you find stats with DE in the column? Cant find one that does.

FootyWire

Only place to go for stats IMO.

Select 'Advanced Stats' for a particular game or individual.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Mark Blicavs 80% DE

 

[Foxx]

FootyWire

Only place to go for stats IMO.

Select 'Advanced Stats' for a particular game or individual.

Thanks mate.

 

[Rourke]

Imagine you have two midfielders..

Midfielder A is a decent midfielder who is unambitious and generally looks to link up with other midfielders. He operates @ 75% by foot when kicking to other people in the midfield/half forward.

Midfielder B is a gun who is your prime user (Goddard type) when kicking inside 50, he hits blokes on a lead a lot. He operates @ 68% by foot when kicking to leading targets inside 50.

You tell me who is more important. (Hint: It's not the guy with the higher disposal efficiency)

There was a soccer paper a few years ago that proved pass completion rates were much more strongly correlated with the player's position, and the position he was passing to, than the individual skill of the player. I.e., it's more important to know the context of each pass, and what the player was trying to achieve.

Relying on a raw efficiency number is useless, especially in AFL where there are two distinct categories (kicks and handballs). Basically the stat suffers from Simpson's Paradox

 

[I am Jack]

Yes, but that rated Rioli #1 (by a huge margin) so was quickly rubbished.

On the rare occassion that he actually plays.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Pointless stat.

Most are. The figures offered by the OP shows defenders have a better disposal rate. Hardly surprising when most of their disposals are to players running wide on their own. Any defender that had a disposal efficiency of less than 85% shouldn't be playing.

 

[bombersfan4000]

Yeah nah. So many one-two handballs would be considered efficient, but hardly impact the game. Dudes chipping it around down back hardly impact the game. A good long 50-60m switch kick is different. But 20m kicks backwards do not impact at all.

like Dain swan & brent harvey

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I'd rather have a player go in and get the ball 30 times and **** up 10 of those, than only go in 15 times and **** up 3 of them.

Percentages are too neat a measure.

Again, depends on where these **** ups occur and the result. If they result in 10 turnover goals, then maybe not. If the guy getting it 15 times is playing a defensive role where he limits a gun opposition player, then maybe he is doing better. If one has better 1% stats where he is blocking for, or tapping the ball to a teammate, he's not getting the disposal stats but he is very much in the game.

It is nearly impossible to formulate opinions based on our stats. They are a guide but they are all flawed. If there was a measure of the scale of pressure on a kick, how far each went, whether you had to spot up a teammate between two opponents, that would be getting close.

I use efficiency stats combined with contested stats, and then look for workrate ... tackles, I50s v R50s for midfielders. They paint a credible picture but are not absolute.

We are so underserved by our AFL stats. The NFL and MLB stats are awesome and huge talking points. It would be nice if we had some real access to the deeper statistical analysis they do.

 

[Watson_my_mind]

like Dain swan & brent harvey

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[thetank]

It is nearly impossible to formulate opinions based on our stats. They are a guide but they are all flawed. If there was a measure of the scale of pressure on a kick, how far each went, whether you had to spot up a teammate between two opponents, that would be getting close.

We probably could form an opinion based on stats, however the required stats are not easily available to the general public.

Efficiencies split up into:
- short and long kicks, and the efficiencies in the various zones (forward, middle, defence), contested and uncontested;
- short and long handballs, and as above;

Then compare a player's efficiencies for all of the above against the average of all players.

That Cyril Rioli article from CD a few seasons ago was very good...too bad all that info isn't easily accessed.

 

[Mattrox]

Listen to what Matthews said about DE in an interview on 5AA today. Rowe and Bone(head) were their usual clown selves, but Matthews commented well on DE. His interview is pod cast on fiveAA website..... fwiw

 

[tigerT]

like Dain swan & brent harvey

and Heppell with his little 15metre chip kicks

 

[Engimal]

like Dain swan & brent harvey

Harvey's one of the best inside 50 kicks in the league.

 

[bombersfan4000]

Harvey's one of the best inside 50 kicks in the league.

over 15 meters

 

[IanW]

I'd rather have a player go in and get the ball 30 times and **** up 10 of those, than only go in 15 times and **** up 3 of them.

Percentages are too neat a measure.

Toby Greene says hi.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Lob a ball for a teammate to run onto
That's an inefficient kick according to champion data, as it didn't reach a target on the full
But bomb a ball to a 10man contest and it's efficient