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What I meant was that clubs might want to use the finals venue once it is named to get an idea on how to handle the ground surfaces and also the wind factor as well. In other words, have training sessions planned on the finals venue like Sandringham.
 
Looks like the SFL have already moved on Grounds for finals, apparently the tender process and announcement was made 4 weeks ago!! Of course that is sibject to councils giving the ok, if the Rovers and Monds play a final against each other ( a slight possibility) then surely a venue locally would ensure a large crowd and Cheltenham would be a good choice seeing Trevors oval is under repair.
 

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uglydermie said:
Friars will miss. BT or Prahran to sneak in - and at least make prelim.
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Maybe prahran, but definitely not bulleen. They lost to Melbourne high today. Bulleen have such weak fabric that their coaches main address before a match in 2011 was about my posts on bigfooty.
 
smudger57 said:
same fabric that knocked off your friars twice this year
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Bulleen did put in two good performances against the two injury depleted Whitefriars teams this year (and celebrated like they had just won the flag the second time) But any club that takes any notice of what muppets like myself write on bigfooty is really struggling.

Listening to the the coach rant about it before the match, and the players asking who "kruzering" is, was hugely amusing.

What sort of club would even take notice of such trivial barbs??? A team that is not good enough to play finals in 2013, thats who.
 
Now that it looks as if Hampton and Ormond may play at least 2 or 3 finals each surely the finals venue must be local... oH BTW I attended a 3rd section SFL game on the week end whilst the ground was slippery at times both clubs would knock off Hampton and Willy. Not sure about whether they would beat Ormond as they look to be quite a bit bigger/stronger than both Hampton and Willy. Not sure the last time you saw an SFL game but until you do dont knock it as the standard has improved and is no longer "rough and tumble" . I havent seen a sect 1 SFL game this year but if the finals are any indication whilst they do not bat deep the top clubs would be able to match it with the last 6 in VAFA Premier.
 

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SFL 3rd Section? As in 3rd Div? Not to denigrate the standard, but if any of those sides got within 5 goals of a finals bound VAFA D1 side, I'll stop following footy. I've watched finals across all 3 SFL Divisions for the last half a dozen years (probably more) and the top sides in SFL Div 1 would find the going tough in B Section - based on what I saw of B Section 2-3 seasons ago when we were playing there. All opinion based, however, and you're entitled to yours. I choose to differ.
 
Uncle Mick said:
SFL 3rd Section? As in 3rd Div? Not to denigrate the standard, but if any of those sides got within 5 goals of a finals bound VAFA D1 side, I'll stop following footy. I've watched finals across all 3 SFL Divisions for the last half a dozen years (probably more) and the top sides in SFL Div 1 would find the going tough in B Section - based on what I saw of B Section 2-3 seasons ago when we were playing there. All opinion based, however, and you're entitled to yours. I choose to differ.
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I watched a practice match 3 years ago between Ashwood (Div 2) and Hawthorn Ammos (D3) and Hawthorn won by 25 goals. If Div 3 has improved that much since then, Div 1 must be of the same standard as the AFL....
 
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Now that it looks as if Hampton and Ormond may play at least 2 or 3 finals each surely the finals venue must be local... oH BTW I attended a 3rd section SFL game on the week end whilst the ground was slippery at times both clubs would knock off Hampton and Willy. Not sure about whether they would beat Ormond as they look to be quite a bit bigger/stronger than both Hampton and Willy. Not sure the last time you saw an SFL game but until you do dont knock it as the standard has improved and is no longer "rough and tumble" . I havent seen a sect 1 SFL game this year but if the finals are any indication whilst they do not bat deep the top clubs would be able to match it with the last 6 in VAFA Premier.
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Despite your protestations that you are “just a supplier” it is obvious from your posts that you are an SFL man. No drama at all with that. Some good people and good players involved with the SLF as there are with all comps - however if you think there is any comparison whatsoever between ‘A’ grade VAFA and SFL div 1 you are delusional!

‘A’ grade VAFA, which was already an exceptional standard, has gone to a completely different level over the last 2 seasons to point that the gap between the two competitions has never been higher. Even people within the SLF are lamenting the drop off in standard and lack of competitive games.

A few weeks back the VAFA defeated the combined VCFL team that draws from the 40 or so strongest country leagues. Without a word of a lie the VAFA could have picked another side of equal, if not greater quality from those who were unavailable. 2 out of 2 in recent years against some very strong EFL rep teams proves beyond doubt that the VAFA is right at top end. The SFL are way down the pecking order. While no disputing that a few clubs have some exceptional players the lack of depth through the 22 would leave them horrible exposed. The top 1 or 2 SFL Div 1 clubs maybe bottom B grade, the rest C and D grade.
 

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Jimmyjack said:
Despite your protestations that you are “just a supplier” it is obvious from your posts that you are an SFL man. No drama at all with that. Some good people and good players involved with the SLF as there are with all comps - however if you think there is any comparison whatsoever between ‘A’ grade VAFA and SFL div 1 you are delusional!

‘A’ grade VAFA, which was already an exceptional standard, has gone to a completely different level over the last 2 seasons to point that the gap between the two competitions has never been higher. Even people within the SLF are lamenting the drop off in standard and lack of competitive games.

A few weeks back the VAFA defeated the combined VCFL team that draws from the 40 or so strongest country leagues. Without a word of a lie the VAFA could have picked another side of equal, if not greater quality from those who were unavailable. 2 out of 2 in recent years against some very strong EFL rep teams proves beyond doubt that the VAFA is right at top end. The SFL are way down the pecking order. While no disputing that a few clubs have some exceptional players the lack of depth through the 22 would leave them horrible exposed. The top 1 or 2 SFL Div 1 clubs maybe bottom B grade, the rest C and D grade.
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Rep sides give you no indication of standards...that is determined by who gets a game, ie your bottom 6 in each side.

Even the best combined 22 fom every D4 would be pretty good but would that reflect the standard?

It is all about who can get a game. Fat guys everywhere in the lower grade very few in the higher grades
 
Nice to read the opinions and as you have all said it is merely opinion based.Jimmyjack I am not an SFL man in fact I may have seen more VAFA games in the past 3 years than SFL games that is what I have based my opinion on..I SFL stalwart only last week said that the standard has improved significantly in the past 5 years as the "rough and tumble" element has reduced significantly and is more attracative to blokes who play the ball like most in the Ammos but I have seen 2 games of VAFA footy this year where blokes have thrown behind the play punches and a fight has developed and spectators at 2 different grounds drinking lots of can of alcohol and urinating next to the pay grounds so in many respects the VAFA and the so called image/perception of the SFL are more alike than you think. I ask the question what is the difference between say people that manage the East Brighton FC in the SFL that have juniors playing in the SMJFL than Ormond another local club that also have juniors in the SMJFL - not a lot really may be the answer.Whilst the SFL openly offer financial inducements I am sure that clubs in the Ammos offer "lifestyle" inducements as well. What would be the difference between say St Johns AFC and Doveton different areas to East B and Orm but same people living in same area running 2 neighbouring footy clubs. The attraction the VAFA used to have is its "squeeky clean" image but community standards have changed the way in which many organisations operate and you will find not a lot of difference between both leagues in terms of compliance with rules and therefore the standard should not be a lot different from district clubs. Fully understand that the likes of Xavs Scotch Collegians etc will be very strong due to school links.Anyway that is my take.

1 final comment, I have also seen and heard of behaviour at both SFL and VAFA clubs at after match, and functions etc and I have been a guest at both SFL and VAFA presentation nights at club level and not a lot of difference at all so the theory of SFL clubs being a boozy haven is not quite true as most players do not hang around at after match anymore anyway. Oh and what VAFA club had there vote count of Best and Fairest as a blokes only stand up drink up with each time a player got a vote they had to scoll a beer??? I wonder how the winner of the Best and fairest felt after he polled so many votes??
 
Probably not the best example using East Brighton who don't associate themselves with Senior club and who recently hired strippers for their U/15 Premiership team (2011, from memory?).
However, the argument is not about the integrity of the clubs/league/association. It's the standard of footy to which everyone has their own opinion and the general consensus is a biased one on the VAFA thread.

Whilst, GOI may disagree, or is being his provocative self, the C-D4 example is probably the best case study. Knowing the SFL quite well and knowing what they've served up, they've put some strong sides on the park in these fixtures and struggled to defeat the VAFA teams. There is a gap. How big it is, can only be determined by a Foxtel Cup style competition, but the fact remains that representative games suggest the SFL clubs would struggle to find a home in the higher VAFA grades.
 
Fair comment Uncle Mick, but the comparison of rep footy between the VAFA and the SFL is difficult because the last time they payed was back in 2006 when two thirds of the SFL clubs were broke and AFL tried to wind them up. Now when most are back operating well and a bit of money has returned the likes of East Brighton and Chelsea Heights would give at least 6 of the VAFA First Div clubs a competitive game. Anyway just opinions. We will never know.
 
Uncle Mick said:
Probably not the best example using East Brighton who don't associate themselves with Senior club and who recently hired strippers for their U/15 Premiership team (2011, from memory?).
However, the argument is not about the integrity of the clubs/league/association. It's the standard of footy to which everyone has their own opinion and the general consensus is a biased one on the VAFA thread.

Whilst, GOI may disagree, or is being his provocative self, the C-D4 example is probably the best case study. Knowing the SFL quite well and knowing what they've served up, they've put some strong sides on the park in these fixtures and struggled to defeat the VAFA teams. There is a gap. How big it is, can only be determined by a Foxtel Cup style competition, but the fact remains that representative games suggest the SFL clubs would struggle to find a home in the higher VAFA grades.
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Oh yes I nearly forgot about the East Brighton under 15's wow what were they thinking? Didnt OM's have a similar type of matter raised a few years back??
 
What an absolute waste of time this is, the Ammos are the best comp in Victoria, even Australia barring State Leagues. Who cares about the booze in one comp or another, young blokes are all the same.
Back to the thread, what an exciting last 4 weeks to come with a lot at stake top and 2nd bottom.
 

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