Division 4 2024 Thread

[footyfan000001]

Are the Rams on the front foot again for next season? Any early news?

 

[eflreceiver]

^^The previous year both Grand Finalist were promoted. In saying that everyone knew that as it was about restructuring. It's the same deal but different but as it's East Burwood it upsets people, last year no one gave a s**t.

As Far as Berwick go, if they want in then it's their juniors as well of which they don't wish to do. Convincing Football Victoria to agree is one thing everyone is forgetting.

 

[Voice of the G]

^^The previous year both Grand Finalist were promoted. In saying that everyone knew that as it was about restructuring. It's the same deal but different but as it's East Burwood it upsets people, last year no one gave a s**t.

As Far as Berwick go, if they want in then it's their juniors as well of which they don't wish to do. Convincing Football Victoria to agree is one thing everyone is forgetting.

Why do they have to bring their juniors as well or do you mean U19's only.There are plenty of current EFL clubs with their juniors in the Yarra Junior Football League.

 

[eflreceiver]

Why do they have to bring their juniors as well or do you mean U19's only.There are plenty of current EFL clubs with their juniors in the Yarra Junior Football League.

Bring the lot in, if you want to be part of the EFL then it's all in. That's the problem with the junior clubs not in the same league. That's my view.

 

[guest100]

So why do you think the EFL clubs will accept Berwick into D2 in 2021 when they knocked them back for season 2020.

Well of course I don't know, but Berwick said they want to be in the EFL and you would think the EFL hierarchy would learn from their mistakes and actually talk to the clubs before any vote was called

 

[eflreceiver]

For those who can't get through the Pay Wall. Here is the article in the H/S about EB
EFL 2019: East Burwood promoted to Division 3
Toby Prime, Whitehorse Leader
October 10, 2019 10:30am
East Burwood will be promoted despite not winning the EFL Division 4 premiership.
The league has approved for the Rams to compete in Division 3 in 2020, making the fourth tier a nine-team competition.
East Burwood applied to the league following its grand final defeat against Fair Park for the chance to be promoted.

East Burwood coach Stuart Wynd said the club feared losing players if it was not promoted.
“We’ve got a really good under-19s group,” Wynd said.
“There’s some really talented kids who have come through the juniors playing A Grade every year and winning premierships.
“If we stayed in that Division 4, we would have been a fair chance of losing a few of them.

“It just gives us a better standard of footy to try and sell them and keep them around.”

East Burwood’s reserves also made the grand final and its under-19s won the Division 2 premiership.
“We’ve got some really good young players between 20 and 25 years old that need to be playing a better standard of footy,” he said.
“The opportunity came up that we could go up and we had to take it for the betterment of the footy club otherwise we might have lost a few handy young players.”
East Burwood’s average winning margin in the home-and-away season this year was 103 points.
It finished with a 14-2 record and won its semi-final by 45 points before last month’s grand final defeat in the wind and rain.
There was a gulf between the flag fancies and bottom three teams this year, with Nunawading, Kilsyth and Croydon North-MLOC winning just six games between them.
“I don’t think we would have lost too many (players) but I think, without sounding too cocky, it gets a bit boring rolling up some weeks knowing you’re going to win by 100 points,” Wynd said.
“There’s a couple of teams in Division 4 that have been struggling for a while.
“It’s all right having a couple of those games every now and then but when you’re getting one every second week, it makes it really hard to stay motivated.”
Wynd said the club wanted to be promoted with a premiership but the chance to go up was too good an offer to be turned down.

“We got the feeling the EFL didn’t want us … winning by 100-plus points against the bottom teams (in Division 4) every second week,” he said.
“We were hoping to earn our way in there by winning the grand final but it didn’t eventuate.
“When we lost, we asked the question and I think they were of the same opinion as us that our under-19s were really strong, our reserves were really strong and obviously our senior side is pretty strong as well.
“We think we’ve got the list to be competitive up there.”

 

[adock]

Everyone beats the bottom 3 by 100 points in div 4.

You were all happy to gloat and celebrate when Gileno kicked 19 or whatever it was, posting your articles on here. Shame he couldn't kick any in the game that mattered. But now its all "we don't like beating teams by 100 points".

The biggest misconception was that East Burwood were this unluckly loser that just faltered at the last hurdle. Coldy, Fairpark and East Burwood all had a 1-1 record against each other this year before finals. Fairpark should have beaten East Burwood the first time too if it wasn't for a horrible umpiring decision off the ball. But when you analyse the results v top 4 teams more closely Fairpark had the best % and that was before they destroyed Coldy in the Prelim.

I'm not sure why the journo of the article emphasised the wind and rain in the Grand Final either. Fairparks dry weather football was the best in the division by far. It disadvantaged them playing in the wet.

They aren't the first team to lose players to a higher division. Mitcham won the flag this year on the back of a once in a generation team of Ferntree Gully players. They would probably be division 4 if they didn't recruit them.

 

[Voice of the G]

Everyone beats the bottom 3 by 100 points in div 4.

You were all happy to gloat and celebrate when Gileno kicked 19 or whatever it was, posting your articles on here. Shame he couldn't kick any in the game that mattered. But now its all "we don't like beating teams by 100 points".

The biggest misconception was that East Burwood were this unluckly loser that just faltered at the last hurdle. Coldy, Fairpark and East Burwood all had a 1-1 record against each other this year before finals. Fairpark should have beaten East Burwood the first time too if it wasn't for a horrible umpiring decision off the ball. But when you analyse the results v top 4 teams more closely Fairpark had the best % and that was before they destroyed Coldy in the Prelim.

I'm not sure why the journo of the article emphasised the wind and rain in the Grand Final either. Fairparks dry weather football was the best in the division by far. It disadvantaged them playing in the wet.

They aren't the first team to lose players to a higher division. Mitcham won the flag this year on the back of a once in a generation team of Ferntree Gully players. They would probably be division 4 if they didn't recruit them.

Can I remind you Mitcham won a flag in 2015 and were very competitive in D2 in seasons 2016 till 2018 but in season 2018 decided to recruit younger guys into the club like the Ferntree Gully guys you mentioned because of a ageing list.More importantly is the work being done by the junior club and now one of the biggest EFL junior clubs.With the points and salary cap in the juniors are the most important part of any senior club these days. In season roughly 2006 when we were in 1st division and lost 23 games in a row and went from D1 to D3 and 1st year in D3 won the last game to avoid the drop again."That is the period when we could have been in D4 and there was even talk of a merger with Donvale"

 

[adock]

Gmac - Div 4 was just a throw away line, not meant to be taken literally. Point being that 6 or 7 players from a single FTG junior team played in your premiership. Its is a phenomenal statistic. Don't take it as a criticism, they are obviously an extremely talented bunch that you have managed to get your hands on.

 

[Bobby Beecroft]

Perhaps says a little more about FTG than anything.

 

[Brown Bottle]

Not really sure how EB moving up helps with equalisation. Unless the clubs at the bottom find a path to rapid improvement there are still going to be 100+ wins each week in Div 4. 2nd through 5th all finished with about 200% this year.

Our 1s stretched Fairpark as much as anyone did in the 1st Semi, Ressies won Div 4 GF, and U19s lost the Div 1 GF by a point. Are we going up to help with player retention?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

If there’s less than 10 clubs in the next division then I don’t see an issue with a club being moved up if they want to be. Provided it doesn’t leave their existing division with less than eight clubs, which this doesn’t.

Your bottom division will generally always be the worst for equality so moving a strong side out of it isn’t a bad thing.

If others aren’t happy then maybe their club should apply to do the same.

As for Berwick it won’t happen, they need to forget it. If they want to play metro footy they will find it much easier to get into the SFL which actually makes sense geographically. SFL have just accepted St Francis OC which have linked up with Narre South Juniors and are set to become Narre South Saints FC.

 

[eflreceiver]

Bitching and moaning now is a complete waste of energy as East Burwood are into Division 3. I heard a few new recruits are set to be announced shortly.

 

[adock]

Not really sure how EB moving up helps with equalisation. Unless the clubs at the bottom find a path to rapid improvement there are still going to be 100+ wins each week in Div 4. 2nd through 5th all finished with about 200% this year.

Our 1s stretched Fairpark as much as anyone did in the 1st Semi, Ressies won Div 4 GF, and U19s lost the Div 1 GF by a point. Are we going up to help with player retention?

There is a fair amount of evidence Surrey should have been promoted head of East Burwood. Your 19s are better, your 2s are better and you just lost one of your better players to Doncaster.

But you have a lot less in some other areas. A lot less chips on your shoulder, a lot less arrogance and a lot less sense of entitlement.

 

[Voice of the G]

There is a fair amount of evidence Surrey should have been promoted head of East Burwood. Your 19s are better, your 2s are better and you just lost one of your better players to Doncaster.

But you have a lot less in some other areas. A lot less chips on your shoulder, a lot less arrogance and a lot less sense of entitlement.

Not sure Surrey are ready for D3 but perhaps they should be putting in a request to go up to D3 to.Would give you 10 teams in D3 and 7 in D4.Creates problems in D4 of cause if the bottom 3 teams continue to struggle but at least they would be playing each other up 3 time during a season.

 

[Slattery]

Adock you need to let your anger towards East Burwood go for your future health and happiness lol

 

[Brown Bottle]

No whinging here. We're more than happy to get there under our own steam. Hopefully we don't have to wait too much longer to have a Div 4 flag on display. May not mean much to others, but we've come from a long way back and done it the hard way.

I'm just questioning the logic / justification, but good luck to EB

 

[Richard Lounder]

For those who can't get through the Pay Wall. Here is the article in the H/S about EB
EFL 2019: East Burwood promoted to Division 3
Toby Prime, Whitehorse Leader
October 10, 2019 10:30am
East Burwood will be promoted despite not winning the EFL Division 4 premiership.
The league has approved for the Rams to compete in Division 3 in 2020, making the fourth tier a nine-team competition.
East Burwood applied to the league following its grand final defeat against Fair Park for the chance to be promoted.

East Burwood coach Stuart Wynd said the club feared losing players if it was not promoted.
“We’ve got a really good under-19s group,” Wynd said.
“There’s some really talented kids who have come through the juniors playing A Grade every year and winning premierships.
“If we stayed in that Division 4, we would have been a fair chance of losing a few of them.

“It just gives us a better standard of footy to try and sell them and keep them around.”

East Burwood’s reserves also made the grand final and its under-19s won the Division 2 premiership.
“We’ve got some really good young players between 20 and 25 years old that need to be playing a better standard of footy,” he said.
“The opportunity came up that we could go up and we had to take it for the betterment of the footy club otherwise we might have lost a few handy young players.”
East Burwood’s average winning margin in the home-and-away season this year was 103 points.
It finished with a 14-2 record and won its semi-final by 45 points before last month’s grand final defeat in the wind and rain.
There was a gulf between the flag fancies and bottom three teams this year, with Nunawading, Kilsyth and Croydon North-MLOC winning just six games between them.
“I don’t think we would have lost too many (players) but I think, without sounding too cocky, it gets a bit boring rolling up some weeks knowing you’re going to win by 100 points,” Wynd said.
“There’s a couple of teams in Division 4 that have been struggling for a while.
“It’s all right having a couple of those games every now and then but when you’re getting one every second week, it makes it really hard to stay motivated.”
Wynd said the club wanted to be promoted with a premiership but the chance to go up was too good an offer to be turned down.

“We got the feeling the EFL didn’t want us … winning by 100-plus points against the bottom teams (in Division 4) every second week,” he said.
“We were hoping to earn our way in there by winning the grand final but it didn’t eventuate.
“When we lost, we asked the question and I think they were of the same opinion as us that our under-19s were really strong, our reserves were really strong and obviously our senior side is pretty strong as well.
“We think we’ve got the list to be competitive up there.”

All clubs are worried about losing players if they don’t go up. IMO all of their points are not great reasons for them to be given approval to go up. Should have sucked it up like every other club that loses the GF

 

[Voice of the G]

Will the Coldstream F C change their name to the Coldstream Tigers with all those ex MFC guys there.A great signing by them ,Jarrod Witnish the captain of the MFC 2015 flag team.

 

[adock]

Will the Coldstream F C change their name to the Coldstream Tigers with all those ex MFC guys there.A great signing by them ,Jarrod Witnish the captain of the MFC 2015 flag team.

Only if you change your name to the Mitcham Eagles. I see you have recruited another FTG gun and current Senior B&F winner from the same FTG super team. Another player to add to the stolen generation.

 

[RMercadi]

Haven't been following the EFL for a while - but know a couple of blokes who play in different teams.
I'm sure its been covered before, but wasn't East Burwood a first Division Club a few years ago ?
With the new point system, won't it benefit clubs with strong juniors i.e. Vermont ?

Cheers

 

[Aeglos]

Haven't been following the EFL for a while - but know a couple of blokes who play in different teams.
I'm sure its been covered before, but wasn't East Burwood a first Division Club a few years ago ?
With the new point system, won't it benefit clubs with strong juniors i.e. Vermont ?

Cheers

yes and yes.

 

[Aucklander]

New year ahead.

 

[RMercadi]

EB is in Division 3 in 2020. This is forum is for Division 4.

You can thank me lately for this help.

 

[footyfan000001]

Jayden Hoegel to SilvAn?