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Society is a mass hallucination- psychedelics lift the veil and reveal the truth. They break down the barriers like our job, marriage, government, pop culture, concept of money etc. etc. These are measures to keep us enslaved. I am forever thankful for my experiences as they changed me forever, although I don't always like what I see. Once you know the truth you can never go back...

Very few people are "awake" and moving towards enlightenment. As a human race we are lost, and very far behind where we should be. I don't see much hope to be honest... I see a cold future of war, surveillance, famine and misery. We're growing bigger, but we're not growing wiser.

Peace. I'm out.
 

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La Dispute said:
Is it possible to use drugs without glorifying them and not use them without admonishing those who do?

This thread has been pretty ridiculous from the start but this is getting pretty out of hand.
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They started it! :p

They carry on like they're so cool and more intelligent, like a better breed. I want them to know they ARE idiots.
 
Yellow Feathers said:
Society is a mass hallucination- psychedelics lift the veil and reveal the truth. They break down the barriers like our job, marriage, government, pop culture, concept of money etc. etc. These are measures to keep us enslaved. I am forever thankful for my experiences as they changed me forever, although I don't always like what I see. Once you know the truth you can never go back...

Very few people are "awake" and moving towards enlightenment. As a human race we are lost, and very far behind where we should be. I don't see much hope to be honest... I see a cold future of war, surveillance, famine and misery. We're growing bigger, but we're not growing wiser.

Peace. I'm out.
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The only part of this I do not endorse is the part about us being lost as a race. My enlightenment has taken to me to see the good in all religion, the common purpose,that morals were right. All religion nails where we are right now as race, they've been there ,took the drugs, told the story. I prefer Australian indigenous religon, but i still see the good in every other.
Maybe we're like the pacific salmon, born in the Californian hills who cross half the planet and then return to their birth place to breed and die. They got washed out to the ocean as basically embryos, that had no idea where they came from,what they were to do, but they keep doing it, like clockwork. The bears ,the wolves,the sharks, the mountain lions(no indians any more as non drug taking civilizations killed them off) are waiting for them as they go back to their birth place to lay their eggs, but still they do, they have to, run the gauntlet of some of the planets smartest and best hunters in order to maintain their race.



It is sad, some humans are spooky,the more educated you are,it appears, the less human you actually become
 
Deliverance said:
Who unfortunately fell foul of natural selection. FYI, none of those societies were peaceful. They all had numerous wars, they just weren't very good at it. Maybe there's a connection to the pyschadelic drugs. But hey, none of us can comment about it, because we haven't tried living in an ancient civilisation.
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Actually they were great warriors vastly superior at warfare then most Europeans especially tactic wise.

Problem was they were dealing with opponents with vastly more advanced weaponry and technology not to mention a better developed social hierarchy backing them up.
 
Sydney Bloods said:
Problem was they were dealing with opponents with vastly more advanced weaponry and technology not to mention a better developed social hierarchy backing them up

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No.

Problem was they had diplomatic and trade relations with many other civilizations as they were peaceful, friendly and tolerant societies. If they had been anything but the Europeans would of been destroyed.
 
Sydney Bloods said:
I'm.....staggered that this is the "rarest" most illegal drug in world.

First off I could of been imprisoned for something we, used to think of as nothing more then awesome pot.

Second we could have been rich drug barons by the sounds of things.......which may go to explain why one of my mates dad's lived in a housing commission flat and drove an Audi.
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It's not rare, so much as demand isn't high. It isn't particularly illegal, in fact with a little effort it can be obtained both easily and with little risk. It also certainly isn't particularly expensive.
 

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Caesar said:
Pretty much. I don't really care much for the conspiracy theories. Governments ban whatever they can get away with.
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You don't much care for facts or the truth of the matter either.

Especially not when you can make absurd blanket generalizations instead. Cannabis was made illegal and is illegal, mainly due to financial incentive and more than anything, financial incentive in the US is what will cause widespread and not pockets of reform.
 
little graham said:
No.

Problem was they had diplomatic and trade relations with many other civilizations as they were peaceful, friendly and tolerant societies. If they had been anything but the Europeans would of been destroyed.
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Funny because a common tactic employed by Europeans was to exploit the fact that most native tribes had plenty of animosity between them and fought many wars between themselves over the years.

In fact so effect was this that it was used against native tribes right around the world all the way into the 20th century.

Then there's fact most south American civilisations were already in decline when the conquistadors arrived as a result of decades of perpetual war.

Most notably the Incas which far from a thriving empire was already on the verge of collapse, most of the temples were ruins and great cities had already been abandoned.

Sure native tribes were not the savage bloodthirsty demons the Europeans made them out to be, but to suggest most American/African/Indian/aboriginal and Maori tribes weren't skilled fighters that saw plenty of warfare throughout their existence and used war to settle most conflicts is just plain ignorant.

your idea that warlike cultures could successfully wipeout Europeans is completely against logic, those cultures that were most war like suffered the most as the bigger the resistance the more intolerant the Europeans became.

even the Maori's were slaughtered and driven from their lands.
despite the claims the Maori's never lost a battle they actually lost almost all battles forcing them to retreat and cede to English demands time and time again, due to such high losses of men in a short amount of time.
 
DivideandMultiply said:
You don't much care for facts or the truth of the matter either.

Especially not when you can make absurd blanket generalizations instead. Cannabis was made illegal and is illegal, mainly due to financial incentive and more than anything, financial incentive in the US is what will cause widespread and not pockets of reform.
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My understanding was that cannabis was criminalised in Australia a long time before the US, mostly as a result of the general backlash against narcotics in the wake of the opium epidemic.
 

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Caesar said:
My understanding was that cannabis was criminalised in Australia a long time before the US, mostly as a result of the general backlash against narcotics in the wake of the opium epidemic.
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This is incorrect. The history of prohibition is complex, as it involves many major and minor legislative changes, however the US was ahead of the curve in this regard. Revenue raising was a big driver early on, both in the form fines and taxation. I think it was 1914 in which the Harrison act was passed, which was mainly aimed at plant material that led to the production of narcotics, so the coca leaves and opium poppies, but cannabis was tacked on almost as an afterthought.

Both countries were signatories of the Geneva convention on narcotics in the 20's, though Australia at the behest of mother England. But serious prohibition came a year after the yanks in the late 30's, which in their case was driven by competing commercial interest and in our case tabloid induced moral panic, which we borrowed from the US.
 
Caesar said:
A quick google seems to indicate that Australia banned the importation of cannabis in the mid-20s, a full decade before the US did.
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Like you said, a quick google.

Caesar if you are going to debate the issue, at least be serious. Both countries introduced restrictions to use in the 20's, the US had to a degree even earlier, but it wasn't outlawed in Australia until 1938.
 
Yellow Feathers said:
Canibus (hemp) was outlawed because it threatened the cotton industry. It's economics... Do some f***ing research.
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Actually, in the US the main drivers behind prohibition, both via the media and lobbying government in the 30's were involved in the paper industry and synthetics (nylon).

As for Australia, I have no idea if the cotton industry had any part in lobbying government, however tabloids here did catch on to the US style moral panic surrounding cannabis use, which had a big part in influencing government.
 
DivideandMultiply said:
Like you said, a quick google.
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Am I wrong?

It looks to me that everything stemmed from the opium control treaty, which at least in the British Empire was basically a result of the opium epidemic of the late 19th and early 20th centuries leading to a backlash against narcotics that cannabis got caught up in. I'm not seeing any financial conspiracy, just over-eager governments looking to stamp out drug use.

The process of regulation, crippling taxation, and finally outright bans seems eerily similar to the current approach to the tobacco industry by crusading wowsers.
 

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