Environment DMT

[Freofalcon]

Stand up if you love the darts.

 

[TheKanga]

I would love to try this but i fear i would suffer an ego-death or freakout.
So in the end i don't know if i could go through with it, weed is about as far I'll go.
I doubt the stuff is very available in Australia.

 

[nicky]

Effects of DMT.........
POSITIVE

• short duration
• immersive experiences
• intense open eye visuals and kaleidescopic patterning
• powerful "rushing" of sensation
• radical perspective shifting
• profound life-changing spiritual experiences

NEUTRAL

• change in perception of time
• auditory hallucinations / sound distortions (buzzing)
• colorshifting (for example red green and gold coloring to the whole world)

NEGATIVE

• overly-intense experiences
• hard on the lungs to smoke
• slight stomach discomfort
• difficulty integrating experiences
• overwhelming fear
• fast onset and intensity can lead to problems if not prepared (dropped pipe, knocking things over, falling)

DESCRIPTION #​

"[The feeling of doing DMT] is as though one had been struck by noetic lightning. The ordinary world is almost instantaneously replaced, not only with a hallucination, but a hallucination whose alien character is its utter alienness. Nothing in this world can prepare one for the impressions that fill your mind when you enter the DMT sensorium."
-- Terence McKenna
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt_effects.shtml

 

[JD11]

Terence always had the best words. 'Sensorium' 'noetic' just in that little quote.

 

[little graham]

Its been nearly two weeks Nicky, whats changed?

 

[nicky]

Its been nearly two weeks Nicky, whats changed?

Nothing has changed i just wanted to post an objective description because it was asked for earlier in the thread.

I have more sitting in my cupboard waiting for the right time to smoke

 

[vealesy]

Well I have never taken DMT, however from the posters who have on this forum state it alters your perception meaning it is altering you brain or thought patterns. You can get as defensive as much as you like but so far neither yourself or Nicky have been able to explain how it is not a mind altering drug.

I am interested in your explanation, especially as you are such a close minded person to start throwing out the "conservative" line when one simply asks a question.

Everything is mind altering.

People. Advertising. Your wife. Your children. Drugs.

Things need to change/alter.

You are the sort of person who will never try a hallucinogen, however would be the one who would gain the most from the mind OPENING experience.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Nothing has changed i just wanted to post an objective description because it was asked for earlier in the thread.

I have more sitting in my cupboard waiting for the right time to smoke

Need some company, Nicky?

 

[nicky]

all good. Just hoping to take my friend on a trip tomorrow evening

 

[Gough]

GD Acid Test needed.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Except drugs are cool. When used in moderation and carefully monitored you can have a serious fun time using them.

However, using drugs doesn't MAKE you cool, and that has to be the distinction.

I have decided to read this whole thread today, sorry for quoting a 2 week old post.

This is 100% correct. Worded perfectly. Had to quote for truth

 

[Bosun]

Everything is mind altering.

People. Advertising. Your wife. Your children. Drugs.

Things need to change/alter.

You are the sort of person who will never try a hallucinogen, however would be the one who would gain the most from the mind OPENING experience.

So Nicky and yourself have the same comprehension skills. Go figure.

 

[Deliverance]

Effects of DMT.........
POSITIVE

• short duration
• immersive experiences
• intense open eye visuals and kaleidescopic patterning
• powerful "rushing" of sensation
• radical perspective shifting
• profound life-changing spiritual experiences

NEUTRAL

• change in perception of time
• auditory hallucinations / sound distortions (buzzing)
• colorshifting (for example red green and gold coloring to the whole world)

NEGATIVE

• overly-intense experiences
• hard on the lungs to smoke
• slight stomach discomfort
• difficulty integrating experiences
• overwhelming fear
• fast onset and intensity can lead to problems if not prepared (dropped pipe, knocking things over, falling)

DESCRIPTION #​

"[The feeling of doing DMT] is as though one had been struck by noetic lightning. The ordinary world is almost instantaneously replaced, not only with a hallucination, but a hallucination whose alien character is its utter alienness. Nothing in this world can prepare one for the impressions that fill your mind when you enter the DMT sensorium."
-- Terence McKenna
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt_effects.shtml

Hehehe - noetic http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Noetic_science

NEGATIVE
At this point, little is known about long-term effects of DMT use in humans, but animal research has shown that there may be damage to the brain areas that control mood, cognition and problem-solving. Clinically, I have seen several patients who have used DMT just a few times and they still struggle with depression, anxiety and concentration several months later.
http://www.abovetheinfluence.com/help/askthedoc

DMT can cause neuronal damage in the brain. It causes impaired judgment that often leads to rash decisions and accidents. It can cause extremely frightening trips or flashbacks. Some people have become frightened and paranoid after taking DMT. Its effects can be disorientating, resulting in panic and confusion.
http://ecstasy.com.ua/dimethyltryptamine-dmt/dimethyltryptamine-dmt-physiological-effects

Nothing has changed i just wanted to post a subjective description because it was asked for earlier in the thread.

I have more sitting in my cupboard waiting for the right time to smoke

 

[Dont be a lemon]

I avoided this thread for weeks thinking it would be about that thing you get sitting on a plane flight too long haha.

DMT sounds worth trying. I've used other illegal drugs with interesting or fun results. Acid a couple times. Wouldn't attribute any spiritual reality to it.

Spiritual talk is usually wanky (and wrong) but those people are far less irritating than people advocating certain drugs staying illegal because they're 'bad' yet don't see a conflict with themselves drinking alcohol despite the significant social and health damage it does.

 

[HARKER]

Been following DMT for some years now and the compound is very interesting indeed.

Even if you're not going to try it, there is an interesting story behind it. Not to be considered as just another drug as DMT abounds in all life...........apparently.

 

[nicky]

It's incredible and I've had a bad trip on it before. A bad trip gives you insight into parts of yourself that need improving. Good trips are astonishingly incredible.

I had some with the accompaniment of music the other day - wow! Seriously out of control.

 

[HARKER]

It's incredible and I've had a bad trip on it before. A bad trip gives you insight into parts of yourself that need improving. Good trips are astonishingly incredible.

I had some with the accompaniment of music the other day - wow! Seriously out of control.

Didn't think you'd even be able to hear music with a serious DMT dose.

Unless people have had a stage 4 hallucinogenic experience.........................then you've really missed out on something amazing.
You don't just walk away and say "That was great" It's a whole lot more than that by a factor of some.



This is easy to listen to being that it's coming from Joe Rogan. He certainly loves his "experiences"

 

[nicky]

There's levels you can go to. You don't have to "go there" to get an amazing experience.

 

[HARKER]

There's levels you can go to. You don't have to "go there" to get an amazing experience.

That would be like sitting on the best beach in the world but just dipping your toes in the water. Dive in I say, even if only once.

You'll have a lifetime of memories to draw from what may only be 20 minutes in real time.

 

[HARKER]

A bit more serious than Joe Rogan

 

[nicky]

That would be like sitting on the best beach in the world but just dipping your toes in the water. Dive in I say, even if only once.

You'll have a lifetime of memories to draw from what may only be 20 minutes in real time.

lol, i've gone all the way there before and was the reason i started this thread. It's an incredible experience. However other levels are also incredible.

The other day was the first time i'd done it with music as my friend recommended trying it. The music was insane and gave it a whole new dimension.

 

[La Dispute]

I would love to try this but i fear i would suffer an ego-death or freakout.
So in the end i don't know if i could go through with it, weed is about as far I'll go.
I doubt the stuff is very available in Australia.

I know a heap of people who can get their hands on it one way or another.

It's not as rare as you think.

 

[HARKER]

Best throw this in before anyone decides that they want to do it. Be careful, please.

 

[TheKanga]

I know a heap of people who can get their hands on it one way or another.

It's not as rare as you think.

That's interesting, it does seem to be increasing in popularity for sure.
I remember when i first heard about DMT a few years ago, i thought it would be quite hard to find anywhere really.
I loved to read the experience reports of users.

 

[HARKER]

First time I've heard about the 'stage' rankings so I just looked them up then.

The stage 5 description sounds exactly like an LSD trip I had, especially the bolded:

1. Being thrust into an expansive void-like alternate dimension consisting of bright colorful fast moving kaleidoscopic environments, dynamic pulsating colored beams, as well as complex three dimensional geometric, mathematical, and linguistic patterns made of light.

That's the experience I was talking about earlier in the thread that I said was too intense for me to want to go back there any time soon.

I can also relate to the description that 'The loss of reality is so extreme that it becomes ineffable.'

(Ineffable, what a cool word - you learn something new every day)

I may have got my stages from elsewhere but stage 4 was the most extreme from memory. That could be wrong, of course.

Stages 1-2 may be what can be expected from MDMA but stage 4 or 5 of a full hallucinogenic experience is where the audio/visual/sensory just meld into one.
It's where you lose ego completely and you're just a spectator to whatever your mind takes you to and does it take you places.
Places you just can't go to through the normal course of life. It's not even a contest. You'll never be happier, you'll never think in such an amazing manner, you'll never be in awe of everything and anything the same way but if it goes wrong, you'll never live through a worse nightmare. I know first hand.