Do Collingwood need to enter a rebuild phase?

[DaicosDisciple35]

Didn’t realise we were going off just 1 year

Last two mins: Elliott's post-siren winner saves Pies again

Jamie Elliott sinks Essendon with a goal after the siren to send the Magpie Army into raptures

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This wasn't 2025

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Mcreery dealt with injury last year, Jamie is one of the greatest of all time.

No shit we wouldn't want Daicos to miss games, great insight!

Moore was near BOG in the final against Adl last year, I think that question has been answered. Houston with more time in the system is expected to improve.

Dangerfield is older than most of those guys and was managed well, then won a prelim off his own boot. It's a different league now and and the best players play longer.

I see Fadgeys son learned how to log onto the interwebz, exciting times!!

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Elliott is a superstar, one of my favorite non-Carlton players.

But he's certainly not one of the greatest of all time. Unbelievable take, that one.

 

[Fadge]

Last two mins: Elliott's post-siren winner saves Pies again

Jamie Elliott sinks Essendon with a goal after the siren to send the Magpie Army into raptures

www.afl.com.au

This wasn't 2025

Can you now show the last home and away game of 2022?

Thanks.

 

[Digsby]

the owners of the Carlton Football Club

 

[Denno]

Mcreery dealt with injury last year,

OK - let's extrapolate out then.

19 games - 6 goals.

23 games equals...............I'll even round it up.............8 goals.

That's before a mooted move into the midfield, too.

Jamie is one of the greatest of all time.

He had an outlier season. What odds of it happening again, especially at his age?

Again, the team was decidedly mid-range. Hardly "potent".

No shit we wouldn't want Daicos to miss games, great insight!

Other teams have depth to cover a top-end player missing.

Collingwood don't.

Pretty simple. That's obviously lost here.

Moore was near BOG in the final against Adl last year, I think that question has been answered. Houston with more time in the system is expected to improve.

Yay, one game. I think John Georgiades played well in one game too.

Order was restored the game after though - a grand total of 3 kicks and 3 marks.

Moore has been off the boil for two seasons now, and is a complete liability at times, to the point he gets isolated one on one.

Add old man (calf) injuries into the mix, and the jury is very much out if he can get back to the player he was.

Houston is expected to improve - yep, can't go backwards. Right now, he's a bust. If J Daicos goes into the midfield, it should see him playing better, granted.

Dangerfield is older than most of those guys and was managed well, then won a prelim off his own boot. It's a different league now and and the best players play longer.

Like how he backed up in the GF, yeah?

He, like almost all other older players, simply can't sustain the same level over the course of the full season.

I'd love to see stats to justify the last sentence. Sounds more like just trying to justify where Collingwood's list is at.

 

[Denno]

"Might just leave it there" is a great argument.

I stopped at "The team is stacked". My next sentence summed it up.

 

[Digsby]

OK - let's extrapolate out then.

19 games - 6 goals.

23 games equals...............I'll even round it up.............8 goals.

That's before a mooted move into the midfield, too.



He had an outlier season. What odds of it happening again, especially at his age?

Again, the team was decidedly mid-range. Hardly "potent".



Other teams have depth to cover a top-end player missing.

Collingwood don't.

Pretty simple. That's obviously lost here.


Yay, one game. I think John Georgiades played well in one game too.

Order was restored the game after though - a grand total of 3 kicks and 3 marks.

Moore has been off the boil for two seasons now, and is a complete liability at times, to the point he gets isolated one on one.

Add old man (calf) injuries into the mix, and the jury is very much out if he can get back to the player he was.

Houston is expected to improve - yep, can't go backwards. Right now, he's a bust. If J Daicos goes into the midfield, it should see him playing better, granted.



Like how he backed up in the GF, yeah?

He, like almost all other older players, simply can't sustain the same level over the course of the full season.

I'd love to see stats to justify the last sentence. Sounds more like just trying to justify where Collingwood's list is at.

Jamie Elliott is class you are just upset Charlie Cameron had an outlier down season

 

[Cdog71]

Elliott is a 5”10 power fwd. I love the way he plays.
Cameron is a ground ball player and averages more goals.
I think it’s apples and pineapples.

It’d be interesting to have a poll betweeen Elliott and Bosustow. Bosustow was 6”1

I’m not sure who I’d pick

 

[Mr Meow]

Jamie Elliott is class you are just upset Charlie Cameron had an outlier down season

I'm sure Brisbane supporters are crying about one of the key players to break open last year's grand final.

 

[MisterMarcus]

why did you change your name Adam? 500 posts under the other name not enough for you?

Actually this guy sounds like that Richmond muppet who created 1000 alts to repeat all this rubbish about Geelong for years.

New poster - spends all their time talking about other clubs - regurgitating the Hawthorn 2018 line - immediately getting angry and throwing insults around despite being "new" here.

Looks like he's finally conceded defeat on Geelong and moved on to you guys.

 

[bungalow_bill]

I'm sure Brisbane supporters are crying about one of the key players to break open last year's grand final.

Would have been a worthy NSM.

 

[Mr Meow]

Would have been a worthy NSM.

Charlie Cameron and Lachie Neale got the Lion's rampaging in what was a tight contest before that. Maybe it would have happened anyway but despite the lack of NS recognition those were legacy strengthening moments for those 2.

The Lions trade-ins for this era have been spectacular succeses.

 

[HeathySure]

Actually this guy sounds like that Richmond muppet who created 1000 alts to repeat all this rubbish about Geelong for years.

New poster - spends all their time talking about other clubs - regurgitating the Hawthorn 2018 line - immediately getting angry and throwing insults around despite being "new" here.

Looks like he's finally conceded defeat on Geelong and moved on to you guys.

This guy has been doing it to Collingwood under various aliases also for years. We caught him out under Mynameisinuse who has posted 500 times in this thread alone lol I xant imagine how he finds the time to do both Geelong and Collingwood though

 

[nineteen eighty]

All you need to do is watch a career highlights package to understand why he is one of the GOAT small forwards.

Let alone how many game winning goals including one of the most famous goals after the siren to understand his greatness. He has some of the greatest screamers ever too.

Shows your bad faith engagement trying to deny the obvious.

Jamie Elliott is a small who plays tall. Very good hands. And had an exceptional year last year. Not an all time great though.

The great small forwards average around the 2 goals per game. Anywhere from around 1.8 - 2 goals per game. Phil Matera, Milne, Eddie Betts, Jeff Farmer, Le Cras, Charlie Cameron, Bruest all come to mind.

And then there are the freaks like Leigh Mathews (900+ goals) and Kevin Bartlett (almost 800) who played as both mids and forwards.

Leigh played as a KPF and was a rover and did what he did...GOAT!!!

Elliott can be argued as a Collingwood small forward GOAT. Not across the entire comp though. His average of 1.2 goals per game does not elevate him to GOAT discussion.

 

[Mr Meow]

This guy has been doing it to Collingwood under various aliases also for years. We caught him out under Mynameisinuse who has posted 500 times in this thread alone lol I xant imagine how he finds the time to do both Geelong and Collingwood though

Different guy to the Saints supporter. There's a few of the repeat offenders and they do have some overlapping areas of interest. One is absolutely a Tigers supporter though.

 

[raspberry5]

Finished.
Zero chance of competing with this forward line.
Got a crazy level of output from Elliott last year. Won't happen again.

 

[My Tilly]

Teams will allow Daicos to rack up his 35-40 disposals every week and tag the next best mid in the chain. It's not because he isn't a good user of the ball . . . he can't do what Bontempelli or Heeney do and hit the scoreboard with 2, 3 or 4 goals which ultimately impacts the game a lot more than 20 of his 40 disposals in the back half of the ground.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Went to Geelong v Collingwood VFL game today.

Geelong just smashed them.
There’s just no depth at all.
Already see the loss of Miochek

 

[Redline]

If everything goes right for them they could finish anywhere from 7 to 10 but no better. They are just making up the numbers.

 

[Mr Meow]

Their form line isn't great:

Lost to Adelaide by 14 points (MCG)
Beat St Kilda by 12 points (MCG)
Lost to Brisbane by 29 points (MCG)
Beat Adelaide by 24 points (AO)
Beat Melbourne by 6 points (MCG)
Lost to Adelaide by 3 points (AO)
Lost to Hawthorn by 64 points (MCG)
Lost to Brisbane by 27 points (MCG)
Beat Richmond by 36 points (MCG)
Lost to Fremantle by 1 point (MCG)
Lost to Gold Coast by 6 points (PF)

4 wins, 7 losses despite 8 of those games being at their home ground.

1 win from 8 games against a finalist or expected finalist.

Concerning results for an ultra experienced group.

The 25 and under age group isn't looking particularly deep or brilliant. Tassie drafts are on the way...

 

[HBFlanker]

Genuinely a bottom 3 forward line in the comp.

Disastrous.

 

[Mr Meow]

Genuinely a bottom 3 forward line in the comp.

Disastrous.

They're lacking prospective quality talls in the medium to long term as well.

They need West to develop quickly but even then, who replaces 2 of their other spud key forwards?

Then in the backline Howe is at the end, Frampton has battled manfully but is limited, Moore has hit 30 and the decline probably starts soon enough. Who is taking over there in 3 to 4 years?

Elliot as a lead up forward is going to be very difficult to replace and then there's Pendlebury + Sidebottom.

Things don't look very promising if you project ahead 2 to 5 years.

 

[SA HAWK]

Their form line isn't great:

Lost to Adelaide by 14 points (MCG)
Beat St Kilda by 12 points (MCG)
Lost to Brisbane by 29 points (MCG)
Beat Adelaide by 24 points (AO)
Beat Melbourne by 6 points (MCG)
Lost to Adelaide by 3 points (AO)
Lost to Hawthorn by 64 points (MCG)
Lost to Brisbane by 27 points (MCG)
Beat Richmond by 36 points (MCG)
Lost to Fremantle by 1 point (MCG)
Lost to Gold Coast by 6 points (PF)

4 wins, 7 losses despite 8 of those games being at their home ground.

1 win from 8 games against a finalist or expected finalist.

Concerning results for an ultra experienced group.

The 25 and under age group isn't looking particularly deep or brilliant. Tassie drafts are on the way...

Look to have fallen off the cliff late last year.

Time will tell.

They are a big club who will always attract players so doubt they will bottom out.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Look to have fallen off the cliff late last year.

Time will tell.

They are a big club who will always attract players so doubt they will bottom out.

Hard to say, tigers fans were rubbing our hands together when we scored Taranto and Hopper when at the time our midfield appeared to be the big issue, but if you don’t have the cattle around the rest of the ground one or two players in won’t cover the loss of experience and talent