Do Collingwood need to enter a rebuild phase?

[Robroy22]

Spot on mate

Oh excellent.....close thread

 

[bzparkes]

Maybe we should have used those three picks to get a mature player who was a known quantity at AFL level instead... is that what you're suggesting?

But then you'd still be a first rounder short for Max Holmes.

Having said that, you could've traded 2 and kept 1, like Geelong did, and enjoyed the best of both worlds.

Seems your own recruiters realised the imminent cliff but failed misery to address it, so they've gone all in the other direction.

It got you a flag in 2023, so well done I suppose. It won't get you any more.

 

[Fadge]

And there's no generational youngster coming in start of 2027.

And you know this, how?

 

[Fadge]

I'm looking forward to '26......anyone else?

Yep, yet another season we enter as Collingwood supporters expecting, on the balance of probabilities, to again contend for the premiership.

But our club is apparently doing it all wrong.

 

[Fadge]

Having said that, you could've traded 2 and kept 1, like Geelong did, and enjoyed the best of both worlds.

So we used 3, and they all failed, so in hindsight we could have traded 2 of them, and us the other one for a success (despite failing with 3 picks)?

You can't make this shite up.

 

[Fadge]

It got you a flag in 2023, so well done I suppose. It won't get you any more.

'I suppose'?

Our strategy resulted in a premiership, at a time when everyone was saying it was the wrong strategy, and it's a 'well done, I suppose'?

 

[bzparkes]

But the "footy experts" think we should go all in on the draft.

Most are you you shouldn't 'neglect' the draft, not blow up your list and go full rebuild.

Collingwood are dangerously close to tipping point because the couple of first rounders they have used don't appear to be any good, or maybe ok role players at best, and the rest of of their draftees are late picks who aren't showing much.

It's kicking the can down the road and now with Tassie entering the draft, it'll be even harder to acquire talent that way.

The reason people say not to neglect the draft is because it's the cheapest way to get the best available talent. When they come from another club you have to pay through the nose in a trade, or hope they commit to you as an UFA and the best FA's tend to pick the club they think will be the highest chance of a premiership, or offering the most money, regardless of how 'big' a club is.

We just saw Petrecca go to GC, for instance, mostly because they were able to satisfy Melbourne in a trade but also because he sees them as a contender.

The landscape has very much shifted in player movement.

 

[bzparkes]

So we used 3, and they all failed, so in hindsight we could have traded 2 of them, and us the other one for a success (despite failing with 3 picks)?

You can't make this shite up.

Like Geelong, you traded out players for picks, so if Collingwood's really following the Geelong model, like some of you like to claim, this is what the club should've done.

As someone said earlier, your list profile was pretty good then, so I'm not sure what this has to do with your list 5 years later.

 

[doppleganger]

Has it helped Pendlebury and Sidebottom keep playing?

Yes it has.

I think Pendles and Sidey's professionalism helped them keep playing longer.

We had just as many players hit the wall really quickly after 2010 - probably a result of the Malthouse play hard and party hard era.

Pies have only had 6 250 game players since WC came into the league, WC have had 12.

But yeah, keep pretending that 4-5 extra trips spread across a 7 month period has any real significant impact.

 

[Rich01]

So let's review the age profile end of 2026 of those I'd regards as 'quality' established players:

Pendles: 38
Howe: 36
Sidey: 35
Elliott: 34
Crisp: 33
Cameron: 31
Moore: 30
DeGoey: 30
Maynard: 30
Houston: 29
Schultz: 29
J Daicos: 28
Quaynor: 26
Hill: 26
Naicos: 23

From that list I’d expect Pendles, Sidey, Howe and possibly Crisp to call it a day.

They need two quality transition mids and a clearance mid. Perhaps one of their younger players on their list at present could eventually take one of these roles.

I think they can cover Howe.

If they went all in on Butters (unlikely) or Walsh (possible) and grabbed one of them as a FA, traded a bag of peanuts for a Simpkin type, then traded big for King they are right back in the thick of it for another couple of years.

I wouldn’t put it past them.
Fly isn’t the type to want to rebuild.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

From that list I’d expect Pendles, Sidey, Howe and possibly Crisp to call it a day.

They need two quality transition mids and a clearance mid. Perhaps one of their younger players on their list at present could eventually take one of these roles.

I think they can cover Howe.

If they went all in on Butters (unlikely) or Walsh (possible) and grabbed one of them as a FA, traded a bag of peanuts for a Simpkin type, then traded big for King they are right back in the thick of it for another couple of years.

I wouldn’t put it past them.
Fly isn’t the type to want to rebuild.

Other than Daicos there midfield would be baron.
Key forwards and backs a huge problem and one ruck who’d be 30 plus

 

[Chip Scab1]

No there are comments saying there’s a distinct lack of talent coming through.
High draft pick or not

To be fair there’s some players that are ok. The issue is that’s all they’ll be is ok.

I think they're factoring in Ben King already, which would elevate them. To what, who knows? But it'd be a good get!

 

[Mynamesinuse]

I think they're factoring in Ben King already, which would elevate them. To what, who knows? But it'd be a good get!

Why would Ben King go there when they are in decline?

 

[Chip Scab1]

Why would Ben King go there when they are in decline?

Because (I don't think he should), but they are pretty big and persuasive.

If I were him I'd be going straight to the Kangaroopoos. No pressure, get paid a fortune and have a top 3 young midfield kicking it to me and Larkey and Aiden McCartney probably. Could be ok, lol

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Because (I don't think he should), but they are pretty big and persuasive.

If I were him I'd be going straight to the Kangaroopoos. No pressure, get paid a fortune and have a top 3 young midfield kicking it to me and Larkey and Aiden McCartney probably. Could be ok, lol

He can stay at the GC and play finals and be in a midfield with arguably the best player in the AFL

 

[Fadge]

He can stay at the GC and play finals and be in a midfield with arguably the best player in the AFL

Or go you Collingwood and have the ball delivered to him by the undisputed best player in the AFL.

 

[Worm4]

Or go you Collingwood and have the ball delivered to him by the undisputed best player in the AFL.

Why do you continue to say that Daicos is the undisputed best player in the AFL. Posters, a lot of them, dispute this. So its disputable.

 

[boncer34]

I think Pendles and Sidey's professionalism helped them keep playing longer.

We had just as many players hit the wall really quickly after 2010 - probably a result of the Malthouse play hard and party hard era.

Pies have only had 6 250 game players since WC came into the league, WC have had 12.

But yeah, keep pretending that 4-5 extra trips spread across a 7 month period has any real significant impact.

When is the last time Collingwood had 4 - 5 less interstate trips than West Coast? Outside of covid era of course.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Or go you Collingwood and have the ball delivered to him by the undisputed best player in the AFL.

With no support I’m not sure he can be doing what Anderson NWM are doing

 

[boncer34]

Yep, yet another season we enter as Collingwood supporters expecting, on the balance of probabilities, to again contend for the premiership.

But our club is apparently doing it all wrong.

Define contending for the Premiership for me? Making the top 8?

 

[Chip Scab1]

He can stay at the GC and play finals and be in a midfield with arguably the best player in the AFL

I get it, they're building an amazing list up there. I wouldn't move.

 

[Obeanie1]

I think Pendles and Sidey's professionalism helped them keep playing longer.

We had just as many players hit the wall really quickly after 2010 - probably a result of the Malthouse play hard and party hard era.

Pies have only had 6 250 game players since WC came into the league, WC have had 12.

But yeah, keep pretending that 4-5 extra trips spread across a 7 month period has any real significant impact.

Dont need to pretend.

Players, coaches and science supports the view.

I particularly like the opinions of the mature players who have come across and have experienced both scenarios.

But yeah, keep prentending that the views of the professionals actually playing / working in the system and scientific findings that go through peer review are all wrong. And your baised view is correct.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Why do you continue to say that Daicos is the undisputed best player in the AFL. Posters, a lot of them, dispute this. So its disputable.

Very disputable.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Very disputable.

Not according to the punters and bookies who have him red-hot Brownlow favourite again

No one can seriously argue that Daics is not the best, he produces the goods pretty much every game

Swap Daics and Washcroft and the GF is over at qtr time, Lions miles in front

 

[Fadge]

Not according to the punters and bookies who have him red-hot Brownlow favourite again

No one can seriously argue that Daics is not the best, he produces the goods pretty much every game

Swap Daics and Washcroft and the GF is over at qtr time, Lions miles in front

Yep.

Has been the Brownlow favourite for 90% of the time since 1/4 of the way through his second season.

Always miles ahead of the second favourite.

But there are those to continue to dispute his status as the #1 player in the game.