Do Collingwood need to enter a rebuild phase?

[Worm4]

Daicos to Tassie, I reckon.

Becomes the 1st $3m player.

Oh boy, they would genuinly cry if it happened. Reckon a few would change allegiance

 

[Chip Scab1]

Oh boy, they would genuinly cry if it happened. Reckon a few would change allegiance

Has to be on the cards... this thread won't be as fun!

 

[RUNVS]

Yep.

His name is Leigh Matthews (for the time being).

Leigh Matthew’s never played in the AFL.

 

[Muddiemoose]

That is the issue with DeGoey, has never really been fit since 2023.

We were never winning the PF with no impact from DeGoey (and Pendles).

Isn’t that the whole premise of this thread?
As a unit the pies don’t have the firepower without those two as it is and they don’t have anyone even looking like they are wanting to step up when they have finished (in Pendles case) or can’t make it on the park consistently

 

[doppleganger]

Isn’t that the whole premise of this thread?
As a unit the pies don’t have the firepower without those two as it is and they don’t have anyone even looking like they are wanting to step up when they have finished (in Pendles case) or can’t make it on the park consistently

By that same premise do the Hawks/Cats also need a rebuild too?

A couple of their stars also failed to fire in PF/GFs and they lost games easily.

Or as Bzparkes is now spamming, Daicos wasn't a top5 contested ball winner in 2025 so we should probably give him the flick too.

 

[Muddiemoose]

By that same premise do the Hawks/Cats also need a rebuild too?

A couple of their stars also failed to fire in PF/GFs and they lost games easily.

Or as Bzparkes is now spamming, Daicos wasn't a top5 contested ball winner in 2025 so we should probably give him the flick too.

Hawks and Cats at this point have a lot more youth and players who are about to enter the prime of their careers (Hawks more so) so improvement will come from those young players where the pies don’t have any of that young star power that they can use to fuel improvement

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Oh boy, they would genuinly cry if it happened. Reckon a few would change allegiance

We would cope Wormy

If the old man had left though... yeah I could have changed clubs

My favourite player ever, the Macedonian Marvel

 

[Robertio]

Isn’t that the whole premise of this thread?
As a unit the pies don’t have the firepower without those two as it is and they don’t have anyone even looking like they are wanting to step up when they have finished (in Pendles case) or can’t make it on the park consistently

Don't confuse them with facts mate.

 

[Worm4]

We would cope Wormy

If the old man had left though... yeah I could have changed clubs

My favourite player ever, the Macedonian Marvel

My favourite clients were Peters mum and dad. Stan was a gem bless his soul

 

[doppleganger]

Don't confuse them with facts mate.

Actual facts or unresearched Bzparkes style claims?

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Hawks and Cats at this point have a lot more youth and players who are about to enter the prime of their careers (Hawks more so) so improvement will come from those young players where the pies don’t have any of that young star power that they can use to fuel improvement

Geelong have Dekonning OSullivan and Neale to build a team around.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Geelong have Dekonning OSullivan and Neale to build a team around.

Throw in Dempsey as well
A lot focus on Geelongs older players who do, do a lot of heavy lifting but they have been blooding a healthy amount of quality youth along the way

It’s something that Richmond and West Coast didn’t really do and it’s the same pattern I see Collingwood repeating

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Throw in Dempsey as well
A lot focus on Geelongs older players who do, do a lot of heavy lifting but they have been blooding a healthy amount of quality youth along the way

It’s something that Richmond and West Coast didn’t really do and it’s the same pattern I see Collingwood repeating

Holmes Dempsey Humphries Bruhn all excellent young players.

Not to mention Bailey Smith

 

[HeathySure]

The Champion data stat relates to the Brownlow winner always being high in winning contested possessions:

In regards to average CP's from those with 20+ games:

Rowell: 3rd (Daicos 30th)
Cripps: 1st
Neale: 8th
Cripps: 3rd
Wines: 3rd
Neale: 4th
Fyfe: 1st
Mitchell: 3rd
Martin: 7th
Danger: 4th

Over the last 18-seasons the Brownlow winner was top-8 in Contested Possession averages.

Naicos was 30th in 2025 which is very very low.

For midfielders who averaged 20+ disposals in 2025, his CP% of 36.7% placed him 41st of 56 players...so near to the likes of Gulden, Bailey Smith, Pendles, Callaghan...so really playing predominantly as an outside receiver as opposed to inside contested player. makes sense as ball use and decisions making is his strength, not the really hard stuff inside.

Naicos played a different role in 2025, i notice you left of his position in 2024 lol why?

 

[HeathySure]

Here is a stat about brownlow winners - P Cripps has 2 of them.
Here is another one - P Cripps polled 45 Votes in a single season to win by plenty .
I have another one you - Nick Daicos has never won the brownlow medal.

Ive got a stat for you. Cripps has played in 230 games and won 83
Nick has played 94 games and won 64, he just came into a team that was basically the same and won 6 out of 16 games

 

[ShereKhan]

What is your point here, given that Daicos averages way more votes per game than any player in history?

There were lots of queries relating to the ‘stat’ consistent amongst Brownlow winners … it was ‘contested possessions’. There’s no ‘point’, I was just clarifying what the stat was.

Cripps got 45 votes and Rowell 38.. …I won’t die on the ‘Brownlow votes hill’, but you feel free.

 

[ShereKhan]

Who are these stars you are talking about ? I assume you are referring to Pendles, sidebottom who are playing for stuff all $$ . The money wont be free'd up as much as you think

Not when you pay plodders like Perryman $900k !! And before anyone disputes this he activated tier 1 FA compo … so he’s, he’s on $900k or close to it. What a disaster of a contract.

 

[Worm4]

Ive got a stat for you. Cripps has played in 230 games and won 83
Nick has played 94 games and won 64, he just came into a team that was basically the same and won 6 out of 16 games

You’re a bit late as the discussion centred around brownlow stats heathy

 

[Worm4]

Not when you pay plodders like Perryman $900k !! And before anyone disputes this he activated tier 1 FA compo … so he’s, he’s on $900k or close to it. What a disaster of a contract.

Pendles and sidebottom both on below the average AFL salary. Elliott not much more apparently after almost pulling the pin on a 400k deal. These players retiring doesnt free up the cash situation unfortunately for the pies. Scary to think that Houston and Perryman both earning 900k . Surely Nicks contract gets larger as well. Landing the next star free agent on high $$$ aint gunna happen

 

[Meteoric Rise]

By that same premise do the Hawks/Cats also need a rebuild too?

A couple of their stars also failed to fire in PF/GFs and they lost games easily.

Or as Bzparkes is now spamming, Daicos wasn't a top5 contested ball winner in 2025 so we should probably give him the flick too.

Daicos was actually top 1 for contested possessions. Best in the business at allowing the opposition to win contested possessions without body contact.

Old yeahnah this looks a bit fierce for me Daicos.

 

[ShereKhan]

So go ahead and explain to me how Daicos has averaged more Brownlow votes than any other player in the history of the game?

Is he THAT good, that he continues to accumulate votes despite not having the attributes that umpires are attracted to?

Wowee!

Daicos is Collingwood’s only elite midfielder, and midfielders get the Lion’s share of Brownlow votes… and the Pies have been winning lots of games.

It’s not rocket science. Bailey Smith got 30 votes as the Cats leading mid. Rowell 38. Dawson 27. Brayshaw 26 Bont missed 6 games and got 25. Serong 25.

If Brayshaw didn’t have Serong and vice versa they’d probably get 35+ votes, but they had to share. If Rowell didn’t have Anderson be probably would’ve got 45 votes like Cripps.

Even Chad Warner who had a sh*te year got 21 votes as Sydney didn’t have any other high quality pure mids in 2025. Taranto played in a bottom 2 team and got 20 - because he’s the sole quality midfielder.

Neale has 2 x Brownlows … achieved as their sole elite pure mid … they’ve since added Ashcrofts, Dunkley, McLuggage has played more mid etc…

So for as long as Daicos is Collingwood’s only elite midfielder, he will get a heap of votes. Collingwood winning games will mean he’ll get even more.

He’s also an excellent player. If the Pies get another high quality mid like Butters his votes will dry up. If Pies start losing more than they win they’ll dry up even more.

Cripps has been Carlton’s only elite midfielder and has 2 x Brownlows.. and 45 votes! Bont is better than all of Cripps, Rowell and Daicos - nobody disputes that … but has had Libba, Treloar, Dunkley, Richards, Darcy, Dale et al …..if he was their only elite midfielder he’d probably have 4 x Brownlows by now.

Brownlow votes do mean something. Just not much anymore.

 

[ShereKhan]

Pendles and sidebottom both on below the average AFL salary. Elliott not much more apparently after almost pulling the pin on a 400k deal. These players retiring doesnt free up the cash situation unfortunately for the pies. Scary to think that Houston and Perryman both earning 900k . Surely Nicks contract gets larger as well. Landing the next star free agent on high $$$ aint gunna happen

Tassie can secure 1 x contracted player from each club. They have $5m across 2 x seasons as a ‘bonus’ … $3m can be used in any one season.

Naicos will stay at the Pies, but he’s been playing for unders thus far and is contracted until end of 2029 … he won’t miss out a second time - Pies will 100% have to re-do his contract when Tassie offers millions in addition to his salary. They are gonna have to stump up $15m over 6-years from 2028-2033. Good for Nick … not good for the Pies chances of affording any quality from elsewhere.

 

[ShereKhan]

He'd need to win one first.

And be voted in the top-2 on ground in a final … hasn’t done that in seven finals thus far…. GOAT’s excel on the big stage…. Then again, finals are a lot more hotly contested than H&A.

 

[Fadge]

Daicos is Collingwood’s only elite midfielder, and midfielders get the Lion’s share of Brownlow votes… and the Pies have been winning lots of games.

Cripps has been Carlton’s only elite midfielder and has 2 x Brownlows.. and 45 votes! Bont is better than all of Cripps, Rowell and Daicos - nobody disputes that … but has had Libba, Treloar, Dunkley, Richards, Darcy, Dale et al …..if he was their only elite midfielder he’d probably have 4 x Brownlows by now.

I love, love, love this narrative.

Bont doesn't poll as many votes because he's in a star studded team that has finished 9th, 6th, 9th over the last 3 years.

Daicos polls heaps of votes because he's the only elite midfielder in a team that has finished 1st, 9th and 4th over the last 3 years.

 

[Fadge]

If Brayshaw didn’t have Serong and vice versa they’d probably get 35+ votes, but they had to share. If Rowell didn’t have Anderson be probably would’ve got 45 votes like Cripps.

Again... two teams that were worse than Collingwood in 2025. Would be interesting to see how each of these players would go without the assistance of a second midfield star, and therefore always the recipient of the oppositions best tagger...

Neale has 2 x Brownlows … achieved as their sole elite pure mid … they’ve since added Ashcrofts, Dunkley, McLuggage has played more mid etc…

Dunkley wasn't a pure mid in Neale's 2023 Brownlow season?

Oh boy.