Oldest list in the AFL and didn't bring much youth in via the draft due to having traded their picks. McRae has said he wants ready made players not draft picks but do you think Collingwood need to begin a rebuild? List management is like a matrix very hard to maintain the right balance and Geelong have managed to do it best over a long period. It'll be interesting to see if Collingwood can remain a contender while turning their list over and not entertaining the prospect of entering a rebuild.
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Do Collingwood need to enter a rebuild phase?
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We rebuild every off-season, just like any other sporting team
Regular top 4 finishes prove that we're pretty good at it
Regular top 4 finishes prove that we're pretty good at it
I think the issue is the players under 24 are sparse. Of course Nick Daicos is arguable the best player in the league. But other than that is only Long that looks a long term prospect from what we’ve seen. Haven’t seen much of the others.
They’ll be looking at acquiring talent through the FA/trade period but with so many 30 plus it’s a tricky situation unless some of these younger players come through.
Personally I think a cliff is coming and it will be hard to avoid.
They’ll be looking at acquiring talent through the FA/trade period but with so many 30 plus it’s a tricky situation unless some of these younger players come through.
Personally I think a cliff is coming and it will be hard to avoid.
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Just the football cycle (bar Geelong). List comes to an end, lose the nucleus of a team over 2-5 years, and being so dominate meant you never got the elite talent in via the draft, and you can't replace them quick enough.
You can postpone it all you want but it's inevitable. Can't replace Sidebottom, Pendles, Mihocek, Howe, Crisp, WHE, Cox, Mitchell, Elliot, Membrey output that easily, before that next group of veterans in Moore, DC, De Goey, Mcstay, Maynard, Frampton will start aging.
Will be fascinating what the pies do. Will be one of the most impressive things if they can overhaul this list without bottoming out.
Personally think next season is of unparallelled importance for the pies, if they can remain competitive and push into finals, they can still bring in top free agents, and trade targets. But if they fall off, suddenly gets a lot harder to entice players to the club with the lack of future planning.
....said every West Coast supporter everywhereWe rebuild every off-season, just like any other sporting team
Regular top 4 finishes prove that we're pretty good at it
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Time will tell I think they potentially need to consider it depends on 2026 if they make finals which is a big possibility given "wildcard"
I think the new system really helps the clubs that potentially middling clubs, I would be shocked if the Pies were a top 4 team next year but you never know until you see.
I think the new system really helps the clubs that potentially middling clubs, I would be shocked if the Pies were a top 4 team next year but you never know until you see.
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They won't make the top 4 they're just about cooked, they didn't improve their team through trading and the draft and a lot of players approaching middle age and most of their U/24's untried.
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I’ve assumed for about two years now that McRae had his eye towards the Tassie job, too perfectly lined up for him to ignore, he’ll inevitably flick the switch when the moment seems right.
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With wildcard even though they didn't improve they still could make finals.
I don't really as a threat for the premiership but you would be brave to say they won't be top 8-10.
there are some bottom teams that the Pies would be well ahead of.
I think that’s Buckley’s job to lose. But there’ll be plenty of money around for the likes or McRae even as an assistant or footy manager role etc.
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They might claw their way to 9 or 10 but a bleak few seasons coming up for the Pies, they have a lot of players to replace within a couple of seasons of one another and won't have the resources to do it all at once.
If you look at our old players from last year you will notice that they were mostly average or less than average players last year and we still finished top 4. The one expection was Elliott who was very good.
We don't need to find stars. Just some role players to take over from Pendlebury, Howe, Mihocek, Cox, WHE, Sidebottom, Mitchell Crisp and Elliott.
Some have already show glimpses of this. Roan Steele, Ed Allan, Ned Long, L Sullivan, Parker and Buller (at the Swans). Some will get chances if they can stay fit. Players like Harvey Harrison, Reef McInnes and Charlie West. They just need to fill a role, they ain't covering world beaters just role players.
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It’s all opinions but happy for everyone to keep coming back to this… pies won’t be top 4 again until at least 2032
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Earlier this year in a similar thread Pies fans thought they’d just keep rolling on by landing one of Rowell, LDU or Richards and drafting 2x 1st rounders in Condon and McGuane.
None of this happened, and they have a dearth of young talent to replace the older heads, so now what?
None of this happened, and they have a dearth of young talent to replace the older heads, so now what?
They might hold on for another season, but they are very, very close the steepest cliff in AFL history.
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I hope that when they end up top 4 again next year that Pendlebury’s calves hold up if they make it to the prelim.
It’s great that they get his games tally up and probably worth it risking being a midfielder down to get into a grand final.
And I hope Jeremy Howe’s acupuncture is helping him get ready for another 16 game season just next year they should aim for him to be able to finish a game in August.
It’s great that they get his games tally up and probably worth it risking being a midfielder down to get into a grand final.
And I hope Jeremy Howe’s acupuncture is helping him get ready for another 16 game season just next year they should aim for him to be able to finish a game in August.
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Yawn.....same old same old....you say it every year and we keep proving you wrong.
Well I guess even a broken watch tells the correct time once a day....so keep guessing and hoping and we'll just keep doing our thing.
Well I guess even a broken watch tells the correct time once a day....so keep guessing and hoping and we'll just keep doing our thing.
This is a pretty simple equation. It's a bit like what goes up, must come down.
The draft isn't the total panacea in football list builds, but it has clearly got an important role.
From 2019 through to 2024 the following players have been drafted to Collingwood in the National Draft:
Rantall, Bianco, Ruscoe (all gone)
Henry (gone), Macrae (gone), McInnes, Poulter (gone), McMahon (gone), McCreery
Daicos, Draper (gone), Murley (gone), Harrison
Allan, Ryan, Richards (gone)
Demattia, Jiath (one game between them in 2 years)
Cochran, West, Hayes (three games between them in one year)
Ten of the 21 are gone.
Out of the 21 only 3 are regular players.
Only the typical Collingwood hybrid nuffie thinks this is sustainable and that they're not going to pay a massive price for this disaster very very soon.
The draft isn't the total panacea in football list builds, but it has clearly got an important role.
From 2019 through to 2024 the following players have been drafted to Collingwood in the National Draft:
Rantall, Bianco, Ruscoe (all gone)
Henry (gone), Macrae (gone), McInnes, Poulter (gone), McMahon (gone), McCreery
Daicos, Draper (gone), Murley (gone), Harrison
Allan, Ryan, Richards (gone)
Demattia, Jiath (one game between them in 2 years)
Cochran, West, Hayes (three games between them in one year)
Ten of the 21 are gone.
Out of the 21 only 3 are regular players.
Only the typical Collingwood hybrid nuffie thinks this is sustainable and that they're not going to pay a massive price for this disaster very very soon.
You also need to take trades into consideration.
In the same time period we have traded in the following regularly playing players:
Lipinski
McStay
Hill
Frampton
Schultz
Perryman
Houston
Membrey
Add Daicos and McCreery to that list and that's half a team replaced in 4 years. We also just added Buller. That in my book is quite sustainable.
They fell in a hole the last 10 games of the season. Winning 2 maybe 3 by memory. Against the bottom couple as well. Lack of leg speed caught up with them. The bye before the finals came at a great time for them and showed when they can keep guys fresh they are still dangerous. With a great injury run they will be top 6, with an average one they could be 6-10.
Without adding anyone of note and the lack of young guns coming through, it seems like a slide is imminent but they have proven many wrong for a while now. Will be an interesting watch
Without adding anyone of note and the lack of young guns coming through, it seems like a slide is imminent but they have proven many wrong for a while now. Will be an interesting watch
No, I don't. You can, of course.
I'm purely talking about one aspect of list improvement, which is the draft.
At least they won a flag with this group.
All well and good to be the youngest, or look like being a top 4 contender for the next 4-5 years, but that means nothing if you don’t achieve the ultimate.
All well and good to be the youngest, or look like being a top 4 contender for the next 4-5 years, but that means nothing if you don’t achieve the ultimate.
