Do Collingwood need to enter a rebuild phase?

[Mynamesinuse]

Yeah Lions got the better of you in the GF, after your mob got em in the QF.

The point being that you don't need to completely gut your list and spend many years in bottom 4 acquiring numerous top 10 draft picks to build a list to contend for premierships.

Strong clubs evolve the list over time, the multiple years in bottom 4 (and a decade outside of finals) is no guarantee to future success.

And until the rookies or mature players actually perform, most are written off as lacking talent compared to the top 10 picks and 18 yr olds drafted earlier than them.

But hey, happy to have WC, Ess (StK) and Carl fans tell us how we are stuffed and should have been hitting the draft years ago.

Not sure what team a poster supports matters in posting on this thread.
I’d suggest a WC supporter has seen a dominant list fall over after its stars retire

 

[Carringbush2010]

You’ve got almost none with any exposed form other than Daicos and Long(who’s likely peaked).
Nick is your sole top 10 pick under the age of 25 on your list.
Of all the under 25’s on your list taken in the National draft, they average out at Pick 37 because of how many are 3rd and 4th rounders.


Tell me who has a worse group of under 25’s to take their team forward?

We're going around in circles.

Nobody knows how good our youf will. It's an unknown.

Your logic is they're automatically shit.

You do you

 

[Carringbush2010]

Nobody said that(unless you can point me to someone who did).

This is a thread about Collingwood, not WCE. Plenty of other threads to ply your bullshit in.

Stop stinking it up.

Either talk about Collingwood, or leave.

 

[Coach_Required]

Pies won't rebuild, they aren't going to waste 6 years of Daicos career.

They will be positioning themselves for a big free agency push, freeing up cap space along the way.

You don't need top picks if you get the right free agents.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Well actually, there’s a clear trend, and you seem to be completely overlooking it.

As pointed out previously, in 2020 the top six coaches vote winners on your list were between the ages of 25 and 27. This is simply not the case heading into 2026 and agencies have adjusted accordingly.

Prior to 2024 season Collingwood were favourites to win the flag, they missed the finals.

In the preseason of 2025 Collingwood were between the 4th and 6th line of betting. About right as it turns out.

Heading into 2026 Collingwood are on the 8th line of betting with 3 of the big 4 betting agencies.



They could of course buck the trend, but again, where’s the crew of players hitting their peak like in 2021 in order for this to happen? It’s almost non-existent.

Instead, I’m reading that a bunch of 3rd and 4th round picks who’ve barely played could be the difference, and starve off a further drop off… which in all likelihood is deluded.

Do we even have 4th round picks? At least try not to exaggerate. We also have 1st and 2nd rounder picks that might make a difference. So why the "deluded" hyperbole?
What the obsession with 25-27 year olds in 2020 the year before we fell to 17th? Why not 2022 or 2017 two years right before we made the grand final. Even 2019, 2021 or 2024 where we made prelims would be better. Maybe looking at 2017, 18, 21, 22, 24 as a combined result would be the way to go. Why the cherry pick of one year that suits your argument? In the end it looks like a dumb choice because of the result in 2021 (17th).
On top of this 23-29 year olds go alright as well. So why focus on 25-27? Oh because it suits your argument. In the end its such a weak argument. You cherry pick data and show no analytical skills. Do you understand the term statistical significance?
Now to a better argument.
We got lots of solid players in the 23-27 age group who are hitting their peek or who have shown a bit like:
Daicos
Daicos
Lipinski
Steele
Perryman
Sullivan
Buller
Hill
Houston
Maynard
Quaynor
Schultz
Parker
McCreery
McInnes
Frampton
Long

All have AFL games under their belt. Plenty of quality as well. That's like 17 players to build a team around. Throw in DeGoey, Cameron, Moore, McStay at 30 Crisp at 31 (who never misses) and we have a starting line up for a few years. The rest is depth but who knows who will step up or fall apart.
Now let's look at negatives:
Injuries could cut us down like it did in 2024 and it does to many clubs. But it's not an immediate cliff. I do really like the way our fitness bloke has performed over the last 4 years since he has come in. Maybe in 2-3 years if our talent sucks and we get no quality trades. Or if we cut deep in the next say 1-2 years by cutting everyone over 31. If we lose all of DeGoey, Moore, Howe, McStay, Cameron, Crisp, Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Elliott and Membrey say next year then we are looking at a North like rebuild.

The way I see it is the plan for the future is more of the same:
The Pies will continue to cut about 2 to 3 veterans a year for the next 4-5 years. For example potentially at the end of:
2026 Pendlebury, Howe, Membrey
2027 Sidebottom, Elliott, McStay
2028 Crisp, DeGoey, Frampton
2029 Moore, Cameron Houston
2030 Maynard, Lipinski

On top of that continue to bring in solid trade and free agency pick ups if possible. Drafting will be the last priority unless we enter a full rebuild.

 

[bzparkes]

Nah, just telling my stalker to stick to the subject.

 

[doppleganger]

Well actually, there’s a clear trend, and you seem to be completely overlooking it.

As pointed out previously, in 2020 the top six coaches vote winners on your list were between the ages of 25 and 27. This is simply not the case heading into 2026 and agencies have adjusted accordingly.

2020 top 6 were - Adams, Pendles, Moore, Treloar, Maynard and Grundy.

Only 3 of them played in the 2023 GF team, Pies didn't fall off a cliff when having to replace Treloar, Grundy and Adams - who were our best when the last cliff was meant to arrive.

Prior to 2024 season Collingwood were favourites to win the flag, they missed the finals.

Yeah, as the "punters" always back the previous premier to be good again.

Pies ain't won back2back flags since the 1930s

But you think pre-season betting markets are good judge??

In the preseason of 2025 Collingwood were between the 4th and 6th line of betting. About right as it turns out.

Heading into 2026 Collingwood are on the 8th line of betting with 3 of the big 4 betting agencies.

Yep, a huge move as the general consensus is we are too old...just like the consensus back in 2022 was the list was cooked and we were 67-1 for the flag and more people had us as a bottom 4 team than top4.

They could of course buck the trend, but again, where’s the crew of players hitting their peak like in 2021 in order for this to happen? It’s almost non-existent.

Pies key players for the last few years have been

Daicos bros
Cameron just turned 30, but young for a ruck as barely played until he was 25.

This year IQ and Perryman were also top5 (they are 26-27 respectively).

Instead, I’m reading that a bunch of 3rd and 4th round picks who’ve barely played could be the difference, and starve off a further drop off… which in all likelihood is deluded.

Na the note is the list still has 24 players born between 95 and 03 which translates to 22-30 years old (prime age really) which will be the nucleus of the side for 26 and 27.

And silly to look any further ahead than that, as the likelihood is that the Pies 2028 list will have what 15-20 different players on it.

 

[doppleganger]

Pies won't rebuild, they aren't going to waste 6 years of Daicos career.

They will be positioning themselves for a big free agency push, freeing up cap space along the way.

You don't need top picks if you get the right free agents.

This is the key piece.

People love the top end picks as they hope they get one of the next quality player, most don't get turn into AA quality stars.

Pies already have the superstar 22 year old.

We hope we get a few of our 18 year old draftees to blossom, but also realise the value in adding ready made mature AFL players who are 25+ to the list.

The Daicos bros will provide the brilliance, we need the meat and potatoes type role players like N.Long to give them the pill.

The area of concern for mine is KPD, Moore still critical and nothing really proven coming through yet...smarter to bring in mature talent instead of just hoping kids blossom.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Do we even have 4th round picks? At least try not to exaggerate. We also have 1st and 2nd rounder picks that might make a difference. So why the "deluded" hyperbole?
What the obsession with 25-27 year olds in 2020 the year before we fell to 17th? Why not 2022 or 2017 two years right before we made the grand final. Even 2019, 2021 or 2024 where we made prelims would be better. Maybe looking at 2017, 18, 21, 22, 24 as a combined result would be the way to go. Why the cherry pick of one year that suits your argument? In the end it looks like a dumb choice because of the result in 2021 (17th).
On top of this 23-29 year olds go alright as well. So why focus on 25-27? Oh because it suits your argument. In the end its such a weak argument. You cherry pick data and show no analytical skills. Do you understand the term statistical significance?
Now to a better argument.
We got lots of solid players in the 23-27 age group who are hitting their peek or who have shown a bit like:
Daicos
Daicos
Lipinski
Steele
Perryman
Sullivan
Buller
Hill
Houston
Maynard
Quaynor
Schultz
Parker
McCreery
McInnes
Frampton
Long

All have AFL games under their belt. Plenty of quality as well. That's like 17 players to build a team around. Throw in DeGoey, Cameron, Moore, McStay at 30 Crisp at 31 (who never misses) and we have a starting line up for a few years. The rest is depth but who knows who will step up or fall apart.
Now let's look at negatives:
Injuries could cut us down like it did in 2024 and it does to many clubs. But it's not an immediate cliff. I do really like the way our fitness bloke has performed over the last 4 years since he has come in. Maybe in 2-3 years if our talent sucks and we get no quality trades. Or if we cut deep in the next say 1-2 years by cutting everyone over 31. If we lose all of DeGoey, Moore, Howe, McStay, Cameron, Crisp, Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Elliott and Membrey say next year then we are looking at a North like rebuild.

The way I see it is the plan for the future is more of the same:
The Pies will continue to cut about 2 to veterans a year for the next 4-5 years. For example potentially at the end of:
2026 Pendlebury, Howe, Membrey
2027 Sidebottom, Elliott, McStay
2028 Crisp, DeGoey, Frampton
2029 Moore, Cameron Houston
2030 Maynard, Lipinski

On top of that continue to bring in solid trade and free agency pick ups if possible. Drafting will be the last priority unless we enter a full rebuild.

That list is pretty underwhelming outside of

Daicos x 2
Moore
Quaynor
Houston
Maynard

Perryman solid Shultz solid.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

We're going around in circles.

Nobody knows how good our youf will. It's an unknown.

Your logic is they're automatically shit.

You do you

That’s not my logic, you’ve put words in my mouth.

I asked you who had worse under 25 youth, you’ve refused to answer which says a bit.

 

[Robroy22]

Tom Maguanne?

Who's that?

 

[Robroy22]

Had a number of Cat B rookies and 2nd and 3rd rounders in team
Although got exposed by the gilt edged Lions midfield made up of high end picks/FS

And a broken arm to your main key forward who kept playing for another 3 quarters

 

[Robroy22]

Nobody said that(unless you can point me to someone who did).

This is a thread about hanging garbage on Collingwood, not WCE. Plenty of other threads to ply your bullshit in.

Stop stinking it up.

Either gripe about Collingwood, or leave.

Fixed it for ya, its always that hidden meaning that gets lost in here.

 

[Robroy22]

Well actually, there’s a clear trend, and you seem to be completely overlooking it.

As pointed out previously, in 2020 the top six coaches vote winners on your list were between the ages of 25 and 27. This is simply not the case heading into 2026 and agencies have adjusted accordingly.

Prior to 2024 season Collingwood were favourites to win the flag, they missed the finals.

In the preseason of 2025 Collingwood were between the 4th and 6th line of betting. About right as it turns out.

Heading into 2026 Collingwood are on the 8th line of betting with 3 of the big 4 betting agencies.



They could of course buck the trend, but again, where’s the crew of players hitting their peak like in 2021 in order for this to happen? It’s almost non-existent.

Instead, I’m reading that a bunch of 3rd and 4th round picks who’ve barely played could be the difference, and starve off a further drop off… which in all likelihood is deluded.

And a broken clock's bound to be correct once every day....

 

[Robroy22]

That list is pretty underwhelming outside of

Daicos x 2
Moore
Quaynor
Houston
Maynard

Perryman solid Shultz solid.

McCreery, Hill (he's only a Norm Smith winner), Harrison

West, Howes, Steen, Parker, Hayes

 

[Robroy22]

Not sure what team a poster supports matters in posting on this thread.
I’d suggest a WC supporter has seen a dominant list fall over after its stars retire

I wouldn't "think" so either if I was just in here to try and get a rise out of some oppo supporters.

But then again, I don't do that sorta stuff anyway....it's a mugs game.

 

[Robroy22]

Do we even have 4th round picks? At least try not to exaggerate. We also have 1st and 2nd rounder picks that might make a difference. So why the "deluded" hyperbole?
What the obsession with 25-27 year olds in 2020 the year before we fell to 17th? Why not 2022 or 2017 two years right before we made the grand final. Even 2019, 2021 or 2024 where we made prelims would be better. Maybe looking at 2017, 18, 21, 22, 24 as a combined result would be the way to go. Why the cherry pick of one year that suits your argument? In the end it looks like a dumb choice because of the result in 2021 (17th).
On top of this 23-29 year olds go alright as well. So why focus on 25-27? Oh because it suits your argument. In the end its such a weak argument. You cherry pick data and show no analytical skills. Do you understand the term statistical significance?
Now to a better argument.
We got lots of solid players in the 23-27 age group who are hitting their peek or who have shown a bit like:
Daicos
Daicos
Lipinski
Steele
Perryman
Sullivan
Buller
Hill
Houston
Maynard
Quaynor
Schultz
Parker
McCreery
McInnes
Frampton
Long

All have AFL games under their belt. Plenty of quality as well. That's like 17 players to build a team around. Throw in DeGoey, Cameron, Moore, McStay at 30 Crisp at 31 (who never misses) and we have a starting line up for a few years. The rest is depth but who knows who will step up or fall apart.
Now let's look at negatives:
Injuries could cut us down like it did in 2024 and it does to many clubs. But it's not an immediate cliff. I do really like the way our fitness bloke has performed over the last 4 years since he has come in. Maybe in 2-3 years if our talent sucks and we get no quality trades. Or if we cut deep in the next say 1-2 years by cutting everyone over 31. If we lose all of DeGoey, Moore, Howe, McStay, Cameron, Crisp, Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Elliott and Membrey say next year then we are looking at a North like rebuild.

The way I see it is the plan for the future is more of the same:
The Pies will continue to cut about 2 to 3 veterans a year for the next 4-5 years. For example potentially at the end of:
2026 Pendlebury, Howe, Membrey
2027 Sidebottom, Elliott, McStay
2028 Crisp, DeGoey, Frampton
2029 Moore, Cameron Houston
2030 Maynard, Lipinski

On top of that continue to bring in solid trade and free agency pick ups if possible. Drafting will be the last priority unless we enter a full rebuild.

Seems too sensible, with far from enough hysteria or club bashing for it to appeal to these posters.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

McCreery, Hill (he's only a Norm Smith winner), Harrison

West, Howes, Steen, Parker, Hayes

Leaving Hill off the list outs the poster on several ways

Can't see de Goey's name either, probably still our 2nd best player on the rare occasions he's fit and up and about

 

[Carringbush2010]

That’s not my logic,

That's what you've been alluding.

 

[LoungeLizard]

That’s not my logic, you’ve put words in my mouth.

I asked you who had worse under 25 youth, you’ve refused to answer which says a bit.

I've seen you ask this question many times, it seems to be your go to.

It's been answered many times, you just refuse to look at the answer.

No-one actually knows who will come good and who won't, we may have the worst, we may not, but we do know we have 1 who is a beauty.

Can you tell me, how many teams with majority of players under 25 win flags?

 

[Mynamesinuse]

McCreery, Hill (he's only a Norm Smith winner), Harrison

West, Howes, Steen, Parker, Hayes

Wouldn’t be counting on Hill anytime soon and McCreery in a mid tier side getting 10 touches a game.

Harrison please.

 

[Robroy22]

Wouldn’t be counting on Hill anytime soon and McCreery in a mid tier side getting 10 touches a game.

Harrison please.

Why not? Bobby's training as per everybody else.
McCreery might be a slow burn for oppo's but not for us, might struggle to dominate this year cos his foots still in a brace but otherwise he's going to be fun to watch smashing his way out of centre contests
Harrison was already established before he did his knee, he's definitely one to watch....maybe you should try it.

Did I read somewhere that you don't actually follow the Bombers....and are a Sainter?

Might have misconstrued that....lots of misconceptions amongst so much of this palava.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Pies under 25's have a lot in common with the ASX - all ordinaries

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Well actually, there’s a clear trend, and you seem to be completely overlooking it.

As pointed out previously, in 2020 the top six coaches vote winners on your list were between the ages of 25 and 27. This is simply not the case heading into 2026 and agencies have adjusted accordingly.

Prior to 2024 season Collingwood were favourites to win the flag, they missed the finals.

In the preseason of 2025 Collingwood were between the 4th and 6th line of betting. About right as it turns out.

Heading into 2026 Collingwood are on the 8th line of betting with 3 of the big 4 betting agencies.



They could of course buck the trend, but again, where’s the crew of players hitting their peak like in 2021 in order for this to happen? It’s almost non-existent.

Instead, I’m reading that a bunch of 3rd and 4th round picks who’ve barely played could be the difference, and starve off a further drop off… which in all likelihood is deluded.

Do we even have 4th round picks? At least try not to exaggerate. We also have 1st and 2nd rounder picks that might make a difference. So why the "deluded" hyperbole?
What the obsession with 25-27 year olds in 2020 the year before we fell to 17th? Why not 2022 or 2017 two years right before we made the grand final. Even 2019, 2021 or 2024 where we made prelims would be better. Maybe looking at 2017, 18, 21, 22, 24 as a combined result would be the way to go. Why the cherry pick of one year that suits your argument? In the end it looks like a dumb choice because of the result in 2021 (17th).
On top of this 23-29 year olds go alright as well. So why focus on 25-27? Oh because it suits your argument. In the end its such a weak argument. You cherry pick data and show no analytical skills. Do you understand the term statistically significance?
Now to a better argument.
We got lots of solid players in the 23-29 age group who are hitting their peek or who have shown a bit like:
Daicos
Daicos
Lipinski
Steele
Perryman
Sullivan
Buller
Hill
Houston
Maynard
Quaynor
Schultz
Parker
McCreery
McInnes
Frampton
Long

All have AFL games under their belt. Plenty of quality as well. That's like 17 players to build a team around. Throw in DeGoey, Cameron, Moore, McStay at 30 Crisp at 31 (who never misses) and we have a starting line up for a few years. The rest is depth but who knows who will step up or fall apart.
Now let's look at negatives:
Injuries could cut us down like it did in 2024 and it does to many clubs. But it's not an immediate cliff. I do really like the way our fitness bloke has performed over the last 4 years since he has come in. Maybe in 2-3 years if our talent sucks and we get no quality trades. Or if we cut deep in the next say 1-2 years by cutting everyone over 31. If we lose all of DeGoey, Moore, Howe, McStay, Cameron, Crisp, Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Elliott and Membrey say next year then we are looking at a North like rebuild.

The way I see it is the plan for the future is more of the same:
The Pies will continue to cut about 2 to 3 veterans a year for the next 4-5 years. For example potentially at the end of:
2026 Pendlebury, Howe, Membrey
2027 Sidebottom, Elliott, McStay
2028 Crisp, DeGoey, Frampton
2029 Moore, Cameron Houston
2030 Maynard, Lipinski

On top of that continue to bring in solid trade and free agency pick ups if possible Drafting will be the last priority unless we enter a full rebuild.

 

[THE_GUN]

Nobody said that(unless you can point me to someone who did).

This is a thread about Collingwood, not WCE. Plenty of other threads to ply your bullshit in.

Stop stinking it up.

Either talk about Collingwood, or leave.

Since when did you become a mod ?

Collingwood is fine and will be fine , They have proven for many years they dont stay down for long and even their trash gets picked up by clubs that have been rebuilding for 4 years and only still have 1 win a season.