Do Collingwood need to enter a rebuild phase?

[THE_GUN]

Fixed it for ya, its always that hidden meaning that gets lost in here.

Its called Copium
They are struggling and want company after a pathetic 1 win season

 

[bzparkes]

Nah your triggered HARD

Trying to deal with finally looking down tha barrel of long term sh!tness is daunting
Pies have proven time and time again they dont stay down for long and wont spend 4-6 years on the bottom

Ok stalker

 

[THE_GUN]

Ok stalker

So how do you think the pies will go against the eagles in 2026

 

[bzparkes]

So how do you think the pies will go against the eagles in 2026

Again, this thread's about Collingwood, not west coast. Pretty simple concept.

Want to compare the 2? start another thread.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

So how do you think the pies will go against the eagles in 2026

Probably a good example of hanging onto 30 plus year olds for to long.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Do we even have 4th round picks? At least try not to exaggerate. We also have 1st and 2nd rounder picks that might make a difference. So why the "deluded" hyperbole?

You've got Hayes and MCCarthy, both 4th rounders. You've got far less 1st and 2nd rounders, by virtue of the fact that the average draft pick for your under 25's is 37. That's Round 3.

Of your 22 under 25 players, 6 were taken in Rounds 1 and 2, but only Nick was taken in the top 10.

What the obsession with 25-27 year olds in 2020 the year before we fell to 17th? Why not 2022 or 2017 two years right before we made the grand final. Even 2019, 2021 or 2024 where we made prelims would be better. Maybe looking at 2017, 18, 21, 22, 24 as a combined result would be the way to go. Why the cherry pick of one year that suits your argument? In the end it looks like a dumb choice because of the result in 2021 (17th).
On top of this 23-29 year olds go alright as well. So why focus on 25-27? Oh because it suits your argument. In the end its such a weak argument. You cherry pick data and show no analytical skills. Do you understand the term statistical significance?
Now to a better argument.

It's not an obsession, its a clear link to those you who keep banging on about how no one rated you heading in 2022.
In 2021 Collingwood had 6 players between 25-27 who polled the most votes in the AFLCA and were instrumental the following year.
Collingwood don't have that in 2025, as I pointed out previously. The top 6 AFLCA vote winners for Collingwood in 2025 included 3 players over the age of 32.

We got lots of solid players in the 23-27 age group who are hitting their peek or who have shown a bit like:
Daicos
Daicos
Lipinski
Steele
Perryman
Sullivan
Buller
Hill
Houston
Maynard
Quaynor
Schultz
Parker
McCreery
McInnes
Frampton
Long

All have AFL games under their belt. Plenty of quality as well. That's like 17 players to build a team around. Throw in DeGoey, Cameron, Moore, McStay at 30 Crisp at 31 (who never misses) and we have a starting line up for a few years. The rest is depth but who knows who will step up or fall apart.

Lots of role players at or near their peak already, like Lipinski, Sullivan, McInnes, Frampton, Long, Perryman... Do you really think they're about to lift you back up the ladder? Or simply keep you mid-table?

njuries could cut us down like it did in 2024 and it does to many clubs. But it's not an immediate cliff. I do really like the way our fitness bloke has performed over the last 4 years since he has come in. Maybe in 2-3 years if our talent sucks and we get no quality trades. Or if we cut deep in the next say 1-2 years by cutting everyone over 31. If we lose all of DeGoey, Moore, Howe, McStay, Cameron, Crisp, Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Elliott and Membrey say next year then we are looking at a North like rebuild.

The way I see it is the plan for the future is more of the same:
The Pies will continue to cut about 2 to 3 veterans a year for the next 4-5 years. For example potentially at the end of:
2026 Pendlebury, Howe, Membrey
2027 Sidebottom, Elliott, McStay
2028 Crisp, DeGoey, Frampton
2029 Moore, Cameron Houston
2030 Maynard, Lipinski

On top of that continue to bring in solid trade and free agency pick ups if possible. Drafting will be the last priority unless we enter a full rebuild.

If Collingwood miss finals or even finish in the bottom half of the 10, you'll likely go full rebuild, and you'll have to because you wont have players lining up to sign with the oldest list in the comp that's trending backwards, just like you didn't land any of LDU, Rowell or Richards, like Pies fans were telling me you'd take your pick of earlier this year.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I've seen you ask this question many times, it seems to be your go to.

It's been answered many times, you just refuse to look at the answer.

No-one actually knows who will come good and who won't, we may have the worst, we may not, but we do know we have 1 who is a beauty.

Can you tell me, how many teams with majority of players under 25 win flags?

No, its not been answered once.

No teams with the majority of players under 25 win flags, and if you think that's an argument anyone is making you're reading comprehension is poor.

 

[WillHayward]

If Craig Macrae heads to Brisbane in 2027 it's the greatest coaching stint of all time.

Wins a flag at arguably the biggest club in the competition.

Then trolls their list and leaves it in disarray before heading off to their northern rival who have been blooding youngsters.

Pure genius.

 

[LoungeLizard]

No, its not been answered once.

No teams with the majority of players under 25 win flags, and if you think that's an argument anyone is making you're reading comprehension is poor.

Well I have been reading posters saying the exact same thing I said, maybe it's you who can't comprehend.

Years ago I remember you were saying Collingwood didn't have many good young players coming through, and guess what?
they went on and won a flag.
We have players on our list that you think are spuds, but you have no idea about them, what you go on about is an opinion you have had for years and have been proven wrong once, so i'm very sorry, but I will just dismiss your opinion as hope.

 

[THE_GUN]

Again, this thread's about Collingwood, not west coast. Pretty simple concept.

Want to compare the 2? start another thread.

The question is about the pies

I asked you how do you think they will go against the eagles not how the eagles will go against the Pies
You are way to paranoid dude just relax and let the guard down i wont hunt you

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Well I have been reading posters saying the exact same thing I said, maybe it's you who can't comprehend.

Years ago I remember you were saying Collingwood didn't have many good young players coming through, and guess what?
they went on and won a flag.
We have players on our list that you think are spuds, but you have no idea about them, what you go on about is an opinion you have had for years and have been proven wrong once, so i'm very sorry, but I will just dismiss your opinion as hope.

Didn’t win in based on an influx of young talent though.
The same players are 3 years older and still no young core coming through.

 

[doppleganger]

I've seen you ask this question many times, it seems to be your go to.

It is effectively just asking which teams have the most early draft picks, as a rookie pick or pick 50 aren't as "talented" as a pick 3.

No-one actually knows who will come good and who won't, we may have the worst, we may not, but we do know we have 1 who is a beauty.

People all hope their kids come good, reality is most don't make it.
And yes Pies have the 3 time captain of the u22 All Australian team on the list, who is already the AFL MVP.

Can you tell me, how many teams with majority of players under 25 win flags?

Why does it even matter?

It isn't a development league. Lists are not solely built by drafting 18 year old kids.

Being young is not an advantage.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Didn’t win in based on an influx of young talent though.
The same players are 3 years older and still no young core coming through.

I don't know how Collingwood will go, maybe we do fall off a cliff.

One thing I do know, i'm not gunna take your word for it, if we don't fall off this year, you will be here again next year and so will SYL, and the same the year after.
And guess what if we do fall off, you will say "see, told you so"
But if we don't you will be no-where to be seen.

 

[doppleganger]

Didn’t win in based on an influx of young talent though.
The same players are 3 years older and still no young core coming through.

Only 9 of the 2018 GF team were part of the 2023 premiership team.

We have already moved on 7 of the 2023 premiership team.

Why do you keep pretending we are putting out the same team?

And yes, we didn't win the 23 flag based on an influx of youth, we actually added experienced AFL players in Cameron, Lipinski, T.Mitchell, B.Hill, Frampton, Markov and McStay who all played important roles during the 2023 finals.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Only 9 of the 2018 GF team were part of the 2023 premiership team.

We have already moved on 7 of the 2023 premiership team.

Why do you keep pretending we are putting out the same team?

And yes, we didn't win the 23 flag based on an influx of youth, we actually added experienced AFL players in Cameron, Lipinski, T.Mitchell, B.Hill, Frampton, Markov and McStay who all played important roles during the 2023 finals.

Your not replacing them with 18 year olds they’re mature age even added another 30 plus year old to your best 18 last year.
There’s a tipping point

 

[doppleganger]

Your not replacing them with 18 year olds they’re mature age even added another 30 plus year old to your best 18 last year.
There’s a tipping point

Oh yeah, your pretend tipping point

Move on a few 35+ year olds, but don't replace them with 27 year olds, must instead replace with a 18 year old kid to avoid the tipping point.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Oh yeah, your pretend tipping point

Move on a few 35+ year olds, but don't replace them with 27 year olds, must instead replace with a 18 year old kid to avoid the tipping point.

No that’s not correct either. The blokes near the end aren’t going to be replaced by solid foot soldiers.

The top tier talent is declining and being replaced by plodders.

 

[doppleganger]

No that’s not correct either. The blokes near the end aren’t going to be replaced by solid foot soldiers.

The top tier talent is declining and being replaced by plodders.

The Pies top tier talent in 2025 were the Daicos brothers, D.Cameron in the ruck, IQ across half back and Elliott up forward.

Not really clear how they are declining, when all apart from the Daicos bros had best ever seasons.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

The Pies top tier talent in 2025 were the Daicos brothers, D.Cameron in the ruck, IQ across half back and Elliott up forward.

Not really clear how they are declining, when all apart from the Daicos bros had beat ever seasons.

Good luck replacing Pendles Sidebottom Howe with fill the gap players.

 

[doppleganger]

Good luck replacing Pendles Sidebottom Howe with fill the gap players.

The tipping point

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

You've got Hayes and MCCarthy, both 4th rounders. You've got far less 1st and 2nd rounders, by virtue of the fact that the average draft pick for your under 25's is 37. That's Round 3.

Just wrong both Hayes and McCarthy are 3rd round. But I've done your research for you we have 1 4th rounder. Maybe you can figure it out.

Of your 22 under 25 players, 6 were taken in Rounds 1 and 2, but only Nick was taken in the top 10.


It's not an obsession, its a clear link to those you who keep banging on about how no one rated you heading in 2022.
In 2021 Collingwood had 6 players between 25-27 who polled the most votes in the AFLCA and were instrumental the following year.

So the 25-27 year olds were instrumental in getting us to a 17th placed finish the next year? I dont get it. I must not be at your level.

Collingwood don't have that in 2025, as I pointed out previously. The top 6 AFLCA vote winners for Collingwood in 2025 included 3 players over the age of 32.

We don't have players in the age range of 25-27 that helped us finish 17th that one year. Well isnt that good news. What about in 2022 the year before we won the grand final. Surley that's the year to look at. We're they old? I mean if you want to focus on one year (by the way you shouldn't because it limits your data) then 2022 is the year.

Lots of role players at or near their peak already, like Lipinski, Sullivan, McInnes, Frampton, Long, Perryman... Do you really think they're about to lift you back up the ladder? Or simply keep you mid-table?

Keep us mid table? Are we mid table now? What happens if we have a good year from DeGoey? Hill? McStay? McInnes? (Was injured most of 2025 so he can improve). Players who struggled to impact 2025 because they didn't play or were injured. Hey I dont think we can win it but this argument lacks depth.

If Collingwood miss finals or even finish in the bottom half of the 10, you'll likely go full rebuild, and you'll have to because you wont have players lining up to sign with the oldest list in the comp that's trending backwards, just like you didn't land any of LDU, Rowell or Richards, like Pies fans were telling me you'd take your pick of earlier this year.

Where did StKilda finish? Did they finish top 10? Maybe Collingwood can attract players. What if we got a lot of cap space? Next year we will be in the range of 4th -8th oldest. (Just need to lose Howe and Pendlebury to drop down to that level). So there is no chance of attracting talent? Ridiculous.