Do GWS have issues with trading for older players?

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With Brett Deledio's average performance in the first round of finals, I heard two names floated as potential ins: Steve Johnson and Ryan Griffen.

Steve Johnson is a noted finals performer, but was dropped because his form was unspeakably poor. The other two have serious question marks about their performances in finals and are probably more washed up than Johnson.

Mumford also stunk it up quite badly and may not get up for the semi final, being replaced by Dawson Simpson.

I wondered to myself: are these really the choices they have?

Having a look at their list, there are an awful lot of players who are essentially offcuts from other teams. In addition to the named three, I count Reid, De Boer, Mzungu as blokes who've gotten games this year and were dumped by other clubs.

Of their good players from other clubs, Mumford and Shaw were also offloaded by their original clubs due being surplus to requirements.

With the amount of talent GWS have at their disposal, why is the discussion about which long past their best player should come in for another play long past his best? This seems like the kind of thing that clubs on their way down have to confront.
 

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Those guys plus Shaw (who is still playing well but closer to the end than the beginning) are all getting a bit close to the end for comfort.

If they had all fit and in form they'd be looking pretty likely to pinch the flag but the reality is that some are pretty well cooked. Could set them back a bit.
 

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They obviously brought them in to mentor all the young players they had. That's all. They have so many young players that they can't even keep them all. So the answer is no.
What kind of mentoring can Deledio provide at this stage of their development, the kind that might be the difference in finals?
 

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With Brett Deledio's average performance in the first round of finals, I heard two names floated as potential ins: Steve Johnson and Ryan Griffen.

Steve Johnson is a noted finals performer, but was dropped because his form was unspeakably poor. The other two have serious question marks about their performances in finals and are probably more washed up than Johnson.
Griffen was actually one of our best players in finals during our prelim years 08-10. Granted that was a LONG time ago but he does have the runs on the board. Was average in their losimg 2016 prelim, but his back is still no good.

If fit he could be a good addition for them.
 

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They obviously brought them in to mentor all the young players they had. That's all. They have so many young players that they can't even keep them all. So the answer is no.
:thumbsu: just goes to prove you can only go so far with underage footballers, the old adage of 100 games & mid 20s is at work yet again. Mind you, Leon Cameron certainly has plenty of talent to work with they are still my pick for the 2017 flag.
 

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Griffen and Johnson are cooked. Deledio is very much looking that way too.

Shaw and Mumford are still good players but don't have the impact they once did. Their drafted players (Kelly, Shiel, Cameron, Patton etc.) need to take over the leadership of their club, they have had an easy ride so far.
 

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GWS need more genuine fighters, with a high level of endeavor, willing to get their hands dirty, who know that opportunities won't just be handed to them.

Add some battle hardened triers to that list and the rest of the group will hopefully see what is needed to perform each week.
 

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Their drafted players (Kelly, Shiel, Cameron, Patton etc.) need to take over the leadership of their club, they have had an easy ride so far.
My thoughts as well. I think they can't become a truly great team until their original players take ownership of the club. Shiel, Patton and Cameron are all 24 - they should be the leaders, not the older blokes who steered the club through the early years (though I still rate Ward quite highly).

They're not talented youth with potential anymore, they have a core group that's at the age where they should be regarded as the best group in the league.
 

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Id question the quality and type of senior person they recruited. Shaw, Griffen, Johnson and Lids all have character and/or physical question marks.
 

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With Brett Deledio's average performance in the first round of finals, I heard two names floated as potential ins: Steve Johnson and Ryan Griffen.

Steve Johnson is a noted finals performer, but was dropped because his form was unspeakably poor. The other two have serious question marks about their performances in finals and are probably more washed up than Johnson.

Mumford also stunk it up quite badly and may not get up for the semi final, being replaced by Dawson Simpson.

I wondered to myself: are these really the choices they have?

Having a look at their list, there are an awful lot of players who are essentially offcuts from other teams. In addition to the named three, I count Reid, De Boer, Mzungu as blokes who've gotten games this year and were dumped by other clubs.

Of their good players from other clubs, Mumford and Shaw were also offloaded by their original clubs due being surplus to requirements.

With the amount of talent GWS have at their disposal, why is the discussion about which long past their best player should come in for another play long past his best? This seems like the kind of thing that clubs on their way down have to confront.

Short answer? No.
 
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With Brett Deledio's average performance in the first round of finals, I heard two names floated as potential ins: Steve Johnson and Ryan Griffen.

Steve Johnson is a noted finals performer, but was dropped because his form was unspeakably poor. The other two have serious question marks about their performances in finals and are probably more washed up than Johnson.

Mumford also stunk it up quite badly and may not get up for the semi final, being replaced by Dawson Simpson.

I wondered to myself: are these really the choices they have?

Having a look at their list, there are an awful lot of players who are essentially offcuts from other teams. In addition to the named three, I count Reid, De Boer, Mzungu as blokes who've gotten games this year and were dumped by other clubs.

Of their good players from other clubs, Mumford and Shaw were also offloaded by their original clubs due being surplus to requirements.

With the amount of talent GWS have at their disposal, why is the discussion about which long past their best player should come in for another play long past his best? This seems like the kind of thing that clubs on their way down have to confront.
Yeah, you are right.
Probably get tossed out of finals this week and never challenge again with this crappy list.
We are on our way to becoming the next GC.
 

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The one that supposedly had a character flaw ended up in the AA while in our colours.
And there is GWS' problem in a nutshell.

Just because someone has talent and makes the AA team doesn't mean they have character. Look at Wayne Carey and Garry Ablett Snr - best players I've seen but massive character questions.

Talent and character aren't the same thing. Too much talent without character won't deliver success - as GWS are discovering.
 

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Calling Delidio cooked is a bit premature. He is underdone, quite often a player comes back and is good for that game and then the second they go missing.

They have probably got the balance of experience and youth right but they have had one of those years of injuries having an impact. They are one win away from back to back prelims which is still on the cards and also wouldn't be a disgrace if they didn't make it with their outs. I'm not a GWS fan but they are in the mix because they have a good balance. They have a bit of work to do over the trade period to retain players and strengthen their depth. Reserves have been compromised this year due to the injuries as opposed to last year when they were strong.
 

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Heater and Mummy weren't surplus to requirements at their old clubs. Shaw was traded out for getting himself into trouble too many times and Mumford was squeezed out because Sydney suddenly found themselves with less space in their salary cap than anticipated for some reason*. I'd say both have been great for GWS. I also don't think you could argue that Steve Johnson has been anything other than a big success for them notwithstanding that he clearly is now cooked.

Griffen was a star when they got him, though he's obviously been pretty ordinary for his new club and now probably finished. Bottom line is that they have had to bring in these older heads to complement their list of young talent. We've seen what happens when you put a bunch of talented kids together in a club environment with no decent leadership and a nice climate. GWS have done well to avoid that.

As others have said, there is nothing wrong with bringing in those older players but you have to go for the right kinds of people. You also have to accept that you can't always get who you want - the problem with trying to bring in great leaders is that those types of players rarely want to move clubs in the first place.
 

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C.Ward=considered a good all round bloke with leadership qualities and tough in an under.
We also recruited him.
True - I'd suggest the younger players you recruited were ok character. Davis, Ward and even Scully. It's the older players that I'm questioning. Too many character flawed senior citizens IMO.
 
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True - I'd suggest the younger players you recruited were ok character. Davis, Ward and even Scully. It's the older players that I'm questioning. Too many character flawed senior citizens IMO.
Rubbish
I just dont believe you've got a functional reference for a well balanced list. Unless you attend a lot of neutral games
 
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True - I'd suggest the younger players you recruited were ok character. Davis, Ward and even Scully. It's the older players that I'm questioning. Too many character flawed senior citizens IMO.
Well if you look at where the list was improvement wise we needed some classy/tough/footy wise top ups.
Took what was available and done our best with it.
Lids and Griff injuries probably add weight to your comments.And like all clubs? where would we be "if"???
 
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