Do it for Bucks

[plugger47]

Mmmmmm the combination of football-blind ignorance and deliberate trolling is soooooo delicious, I just have to bite.



I am sick of this crock. Swap Buckley for Voss in 2002 and the Pies would've lost by a mile. Buckley was clear BOG from Rocca: both played arguably the best games of their careers to keep an underrmanned side close to a much more powerful experienced outfit. Voss was nowhere near his own best and nowhere near Buckley on the day. In 2003 when Buckley played with less than his usual consistency (ie more like Voss in 2002) we were utterly belted.

Maybe you should take it with eddie and the crazy gang in maggie land. This is from the official club web site:

"In fact if it wasn’t for the sheer brilliance of Brisbane’s champion skipper Michael Voss – the Magpies could well have been celebrating their 15th and easily most heroic premiership."
"But Voss’ fanatical desire to win at all costs inspired his team just when it was most needed in a gripping final quarter as the Brisbane skipper fittingly was the first man to get his hand on the premiership cup for the second successive season after leading his team to victory against Essendon last year."

 

[Lonie_from_50]

Suprised he didn't add the Rising Star, but then again Bucks would cancel out Goodes, so, fair enough.

 

[Longy413]

[*]Nick Maxwell will take Courtney Johns and do a good job on him, physchologically will get into Johns mind.

Johns threw Jason Cloke around like a rag doll last time out. A player that is heavier than Nick Maxwell.

People can bag Johns all they like and he has been pumped up far too much from Essendon supporters, but he can mark and he can kick goals and he proved that against Collingwood.

If Maxwell goes to Johns, Johns will play behind Lloyd and be used one-out as often as possible, much like we used to use Barnard.

Not sure how Maxwell will get into his mind physchologically, but he'd want to put on some weight over the summer.

 

[plugger47]

Why do you continue to mention Adam Goodes. He is a great footballer, but this discussion that will never end is a Buckley/Hird/Voss discussion take 18946. Goodes shouldn't be mentioned anywhere.

Well I'll put that down to blind prejudice or ignorance or maybe its just because you're one of eddies bitches

 

[Lonie_from_50]

Johns threw Jason Cloke around like a rag doll last time out. A player that is heavier than Nick Maxwell.

People can bag Johns all they like and he has been pumped up far too much from Essendon supporters, but he can mark and he can kick goals and he proved that against Collingwood.

If Maxwell goes to Johns, Johns will play behind Lloyd and be used one-out as often as possible, much like we used to use Barnard.

Not sure how Maxwell will get into his mind physchologically, but he'd want to put on some weight over the summer.

Skinny chap but tougher than nails. The physchological effect is to emphasise how tough Maxwell is, that he can lay a couple of fierce bumps and show his courage (see BL v Coll, R10, 06) and intimidate his opposition to let them know what is to be expected. We never know with Courtney, a big crowd may put him in his shell

Nah, Courtney has proved everyone, bar Sheedy and some Don fans, wrong.

 

[plugger47]

why don't you add AA to the list, or will that make Goodes look bad??

AA Team
Hird- 95, 96, 00, 01 (captain), 03
Goodes- 03, 06

so seeing as Hird has captained his country I rank him higher on personal awards

1.Hird
2.Goodes
3.Judd
4.FIG

You can argue that but AA representation is really a minor brownlow for each position. In that sense its one 22th of a brownlow. Don't think it gets your man over the line.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Voss' influence was bigger and better, but Buckley did as much, just not the reward.

Hit the nail on the head with that one. Therein lies the fine line between the two.

I rate Buckley as a genuine superstar of the game but he falls into ? category because of a lack of succes and inability to lift his team to success.

I feel like I'm in Groundhog day but Maradona, Zidane, Pele, Carey, Hird, Voss have all lifted there team to the ultimate. Buckley has not and never will.

 

[The Majestic]

Dave The Man, next time you want to start a thread like this use the Collingwood board.

Plus if we were going to theme the year it would be "Do It For Collingwood" as they are a team, not individuals admittedly we'd love for Bucks to wear a premiership medallion it doesn't look like it'll happen.

 

[Jimmy C]

Im sorry do you know the meaning of a KP forward?

Remind me how many goals Rocca and Tarrant have kicked in recent years.

Remind me who kicked 5 goals in the 1990 GF ?

 

[plugger47]

Suprised he didn't add the Rising Star, but then again Bucks would cancel out Goodes, so, fair enough.

You might want to include the Scouts bob a job medal and three stars he got in kindy

 

[Longy413]

Skinny chap but tougher than nails.

Tough doesn't make you strong.

We never know with Courtney, a big crowd may put him in his shell

The bloke comes out and plays AFL footy with one of the worst haircuts of all time, I don't think anything will put him in his shell.

 

[doppleganger]

Hit the nail on the head with that one. Therein lies the fine line between the two.

I rate Buckley as a genuine superstar of the game but he falls into ? category because of a lack of succes and inability to lift his team to success.

I feel like I'm in Groundhog day but Maradona, Zidane, Pele, Carey, Hird, Voss have all lifted there team to the ultimate. Buckley has not and never will.

u do realise that what ur saying doesn't make sense.

going by what lonie has posted previously

buckley had more disposals, inside 50's, hardball gets etc.

yet when voss wins his ball the ball goes forward to aker, who pulls a snap out of his arse and kicks a goal, or down to lynch who gets a free and kicks a goal

buckley wins the ball and kicks it to leon davis who doesn't get a touch, or hits tarrant lace out who then proceeds to miss a set shot at goal.

but because his team-mates aren't good enough buckley misses out on the chocolates, and voss gets all the plaudits because his team was miles better.

doesn't make sense.

voss never was BOG in a GF, he had 4 attempts at it and couldn't pull it off

black,aker & keating tore us to shreds in 03

perhaps u need to realise that voss was a brilliant leader who was surrounded by quality, yep brilliant leader.....but not the match winner that u assume

 

[Longy413]

voss never was BOG in a GF, he had 4 attempts at it and couldn't pull it off

You mean Voss never won a Norm Smith Medal?

 

[doppleganger]

Hit the nail on the head with that one. Therein lies the fine line between the two.

I rate Buckley as a genuine superstar of the game but he falls into ? category because of a lack of succes and inability to lift his team to success.

I feel like I'm in Groundhog day but Maradona, Zidane, Pele, Carey, Hird, Voss have all lifted there team to the ultimate. Buckley has not and never will.

guess by that logic u rate shane ellen a better FF then lockett & ablett!

lockett nor ablett could never lift their team to the ultimate, but didn't ellen bag 5 in a GF for adelaide??

 

[doppleganger]

You mean Voss never won a Norm Smith Medal?

yep voss played in 4 GF's and was never BOG.

hird, buckley have done this, they are big game players

 

[Longy413]

yep voss played in 4 GF's and was never BOG.

hird, buckley have done this, they are big game players

I think you need to steer clear of using the Norm Smith Medal as a defining indicator on who was the player that was the best on ground.

Yes, that is what the medal is for, but it's never black and white.

Voss was supreme in 2001, he turned the game after half time. Was better than Hart IMO.

And did they not decide after the 2002 GF that Norm Smith voting would be done after the final siren, rather than several minutes prior? Any particular reason for this?

If you think Voss isn't a big name player, you are kidding yourself.

 

[Johnson#26]

Oh dear. Saw the topic headline and just....

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

guess by that logic u rate shane ellen a better FF then lockett & ablett!

lockett nor ablett could never lift their team to the ultimate, but didn't ellen bag 5 in a GF for adelaide??

The funny thing is.. is that Shane Ellen used to be my next door neighbour for a while when he played for the Dogs!

We are comparing champions. Stupid argument when people use the Shane Ellen or Martin Pike example for GF's. Have to think a bit deeper than that.

I put the ? against champions like Lockett and Ablett also. Why couldn't they do what Carey did and lift there team to victory?

 

[doppleganger]

And did they not decide after the 2002 GF that Norm Smith voting would be done after the final siren, rather than several minutes prior? Any particular reason for this?

probably because Buckley was the best player on the ground all day, being on the winning or losing team shouldn't influence the judging.

 

[doppleganger]

The funny thing is.. is that Shane Ellen used to be my next door neighbour for a while when he played for the Dogs!

We are comparing champions. Stupid argument when people use the Shane Ellen or Martin Pike example for GF's. Have to think a bit deeper than that.

I put the ? against champions like Lockett and Ablett also. Why couldn't they do what Carey did and lift there team to victory?

because their team mates weren't as good, pretty simple.

when has carey kicked 9 in a GF??

 

[Cyclops]

Geez I knew Johns was big, but thats amazing! He's like 10 times taller than Maxwell!

 

[kahuna71]

That could be pies theme next year!

It's already been done for Bucks - 3 times in a row in fact. Bucks had unfortunately gone and stuck his snout into a deeper trough.

 

[Mitch Power]

That could be pies theme next year!

Davo, Bucks is a champion and deserves to have ultimate AFL success and perhaps the theme maybe enough to get them over the line for a game or two but in the final analysis, I don't think you have the list to win enough games to make the 8.

IMO, your midfield is poor and will starve your forwards of enough opportunities and you would not want to lose one of your tall defenders because the depth there is not great either.

At the twilight of his great career, Bucks may have missed the boat. One consolation is that he tasted premiership success with Port Adelaide before we joined the AFL.

 

[Longy413]

probably because Buckley was the best player on the ground all day, being on the winning or losing team shouldn't influence the judging.

If the right decision was made, as you say it was, why would they change the rules?

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

because their team mates weren't as good, pretty simple.

when has carey kicked 9 in a GF??

you're forgetting a couple of important factors - persona, presence, influence of a leader. Not always done with goals and stats but there's that tangible that makes a difference to a teams success.

Is an athlete deemed better if they win 5 silver medals than one that has 2 gold?