Do not trade Boydy

[always right]

The strong word is that we are going to make a statement about our current playing list and offer up some names for a suitable trade that might raise a few eyebrows.

In case one of those players is Boydy I'm saying right now that this must be avoided at all costs. One thing we need to build at our club is a confident, never say die attitude. It's for this reason we need to do everything in our power to hold onto blokes who show this type of leadership. The two best mates, Boyd and Cross are prime examples of the type we need.

Here's a bloke who right up to the second last round still believed we could make the finals and couldn't believe that Street and Higgins were scheduled for early operations when we could still mathematically make it. Couple this attitude with the work he did pre-season to build up his body and his fitness, as well as his workrate on the field right to the end of the season, and it should be obvious that we NEED this bloke in our club.

Sure he has some weaknesses but you know he will bust his backside over the break to further improve. He genuinely believes in his own ability and the capabilities of the team to be successful. And no-one gets filthy when we lose like Boydy does. He really wants to win.

Compare this to some others on our list who have a different attitude.....all talk off the field and no leadership on it, too accepting of hard tags, unwillingness to change game style for the benefit of the team, plenty of pace running with the ball but apparently none when they are chasing, blindly chasing meaningless stats when the game calls for them to take a more defensive approach, leaving blokes like Boyd to pick up their man whilst they run ahead of the ball, the list goes on.

If we are going to stop our team/club going backwards, we need to decide which blokes we need to retain. They shouldn't just be the most talented but the ones who create a winning culture at the club.

 

[Aker39]

I don't think I've ever said this before, so here we go:

If they trade Boydy, I'll cut up my membership.

 

[Benno From Berwick]

I don't think I've ever said this before, so here we go:

If they trade Boydy, I'll cut up my membership.

Trade Boyd for Richmond number 2 draft pick?

I agree they should not trade Matty Boyd. But if the right deal is on offer they need to do what is best for the club.

 

[TedDougChris]

I would rate Boyd as close to being untouchable as far as trades go.

Would hate to see him leave. I can understand Benno's logic, but would be very disappointed to see someone who gave their all leave, while others stay....

 

[Benno From Berwick]

I would rate Boyd as close to being untouchable as far as trades go.

Would hate to see him leave. I can understand Benno's logic, but would be very disappointed to see someone who gave their all leave, while others stay....

You are right. I would not want a bloke like Boyd traded....

 

[SCRAY72]

For the right price. He is not untouchable. He has been one of the few players to improve in 2007 so his value is up.
Only way to trade to improve the list is to make sacrifices. Classic example the Moloney Ottens trade.
Teams won't touch Eagleton,Power etc. they are worthless in the market.

 

[dogupya]

This is the problem with our club... No one is untouchable and unless its faulkner or power, they are precious to our club. It's this indiviualistic mentality that won't get us anywhere... It's time to start looking at what the TEAM needs...

We will not get what we need unless we dish up something worthwhile!!!!

There are very few untouchables in our club


Brian Harris

Dale Morris

Tom Williams

Daniel Cross

Ryan Griffen

Robert Murphy

Lindsey Gilbee

Ryan Hargrave

These are the players that we build around from here in... The rest are tradable or too old.

 

[Bulldog Banana]

I wouldnt be happy if Boyd was traded, inside midfielders are what we need & it would be a poor reflection on the football department as a whole if one of the few guys we have that can win a hard ball is traded.

However, as Benno said, if the trade is right you do the best for the club that you can.

 

[Aker39]

So let me get this right.

We trade the up and coming hard working players and keep the weak as ***** soft players.

 

[Ruiner]

Boyd had a great season, and I wouldn't want to see him go.
However his trade value would be a higher now than it will probably ever be, so if we could do a trade that improved our team I'd say yes. Don't see it happening though.

 

[Astro_]

Lets follow Manchester United's trading strategy: You need to trade a good player to get a potentially great player.

Im not accepting what happened this year, therefore the big calls need to be made. If that means trading "untouchables" for future success then so be it. Everyone on this board has continually criticized our form this year, and lack of success throughout our history, yet there are threads discussing why we should keep Ray and the like- players who wont take us to the ultimate goal.

Your not going to pick up say Fev for Sam Power or Jordy, the trade needs to be reasonable for both teams otherwise nothing goes through.

Its time to toughen up and accept the hard decisions need to be made. Some short term pain is well worth it should it lead to sustained success.

 

[TedDougChris]

This is the problem with our club... No one is untouchable and unless its faulkner or power, they are precious to our club. It's this indiviualistic mentality that won't get us anywhere... It's time to start looking at what the TEAM needs...

We will not get what we need unless we dish up something worthwhile!!!!

There are very few untouchables in our club


Brian Harris

Dale Morris

Tom Williams

Daniel Cross

Ryan Griffen

Robert Murphy

Lindsey Gilbee

Ryan Hargrave

These are the players that we build around from here in... The rest are tradable or too old.

So, there are no untouchables..... Except for those that you listed.....

For what it's worth, I'd have Everitt in, Higgins in, Boyd in and Hargrave out.

I agree with what you are trying to say. If we can trade a player to improve the team, we should be looking at that. But I repeat what I said earlier, I'd rather keep players who put in effort and get rid of those who dont....

I understand these players won't have tradeable value, but that's just my preference....

 

[Pigdog]

This is the problem with our club... No one is untouchable and unless its faulkner or power, they are precious to our club. It's this indiviualistic mentality that won't get us anywhere... It's time to start looking at what the TEAM needs...

We will not get what we need unless we dish up something worthwhile!!!!

There are very few untouchables in our club


Brian Harris

Dale Morris

Tom Williams

Daniel Cross

Ryan Griffen

Robert Murphy

Lindsey Gilbee

Ryan Hargrave

These are the players that we build around from here in... The rest are tradable or too old.

Cooney?? Everitt?? Higgins??

Understand where you are coming from, but I think the 3 I mentioned must stay.

My philosphy with all this untouchable talk is the following:

Have we seen the best of this player? Does there best make us a better team? and probably do we see there best enough?

Once you have answered those questions you can then decide if someone is 'untouchable'.

 

[dogupya]

So, there are no untouchables..... Except for those that you listed.....

For what it's worth, I'd have Everitt in, Higgins in, Boyd in and Hargrave out.

I agree with what you are trying to say. If we can trade a player to improve the team, we should be looking at that. But I repeat what I said earlier, I'd rather keep players who put in effort and get rid of those who dont....

I understand these players won't have tradeable value, but that's just my preference....

Obviously we need to build a side around a core group of players... These players are the ones i've mentioned

Our problem is that our whole team is supposedly core and untouchable.

 

[dogupya]

Cooney?? Everitt?? Higgins??

Understand where you are coming from, but I think the 3 I mentioned must stay.

My philosphy with all this untouchable talk is the following:

Have we seen the best of this player? Does there best make us a better team? and probably do we see there best enough?

Once you have answered those questions you can then decide if someone is 'untouchable'.

Cooney has been on our list since 03. He has had enough time to prove why he was taken number 1. far too inconsistent, mentally weak and not willing to go above his natural abilty and strive to work.

Everitt, he is a kid and I reserve my judgement.

Higgins is surplus (small running type) and if we get what we are desperately lacking at his expense, so be it.

 

[Butane]

UMMMMMMMMM

Boydy is one of only a few players that improved this year.

He is also renowned for his work ethic and his preparation for games. Something our team is poor at.

If there was a player most likely to stay it would be Boyd.

 

[TedDougChris]

Cooney has been on our list since 03. He has had enough time to prove why he was taken number 1. far too inconsistent, mentally weak and not willing to go above his natural abilty and strive to work.

Everitt, he is a kid and I reserve my judgement.

Higgins is surplus (small running type) and if we get what we are desperately lacking at his expense, so be it.

Everitt is a kid, but Williams is on the list.....

Higgins has class up forward, far more than Ray, Gia, Jordy, Cross, West, Boyd etc... He will be a gun small forward and potential midfielder...

And you've included Hargrave.

 

[bulldogtragic]

Splitting hairs I know:

I wouldn't offer him,

But i'd listen closely to offers made for him.

Everything is for sale at the right price. Was it Pagan that once said even Carey (at the peak of his game and before the unmentionable incident) was tradeable at the right price - Admitadly 5 first round selections...

 

[fred cook]

So let me get this right.

We trade the up and coming hard working players and keep the weak as ***** soft players.

Guys get with the program

He can’t kick to a target on a consistent level, he doesn’t have the damaging skills of a Kerr, Mitchell or Ablett .He is just a good player in a midfield that needs his strong attributes which is a tough hard at it player.



The fact is we can’t have West, Cross, Boyd in the same midfield group as they are to similar footballers

Which one would you trade if you had to?

 

[TedDougChris]

Given that West is getting older, I'd be keeping all 3.

I understand what you are getting at, and on that basis (given we have plenty of runners) we should look at getting rid of Eagle as he is surplus to requirements....

 

[mjp]

This is the problem with our club... No one is untouchable and unless its faulkner or power, they are precious to our club. It's this indiviualistic mentality that won't get us anywhere... It's time to start looking at what the TEAM needs...

We will not get what we need unless we dish up something worthwhile!!!!

There are very few untouchables in our club


Brian Harris

Dale Morris

Tom Williams

Daniel Cross

Ryan Griffen

Robert Murphy

Lindsey Gilbee

Ryan Hargrave

These are the players that we build around from here in... The rest are tradable or too old.

If another club is in love with any of our other players - whoever they are - and wants to pay well above the odds, who are we to stand in their way?

 

[Pigdog]

The fact is we can’t have West, Cross, Boyd in the same midfield group as they are to similar footballers

Which one would you trade if you had to?

My feelings are well known on this and I totally agree. We need to make changes not for 2 or 3 years time, but for next year. The midfield needs a re-vamp and putting it simply one of this group has to go, but who?

You guys can discuss that...

 

[DogsRuleWstNoBul]

Putting players into there categories is a better way at looking at it than build around a list of core players.
Rucks
KPP
Flankers
Midfielders
If we put our list of players into each group and we have to many of one type and not enough of the other to have a balanced list that allows for injuries and player development in all these key categories then that is what should be traded/delisted and any short comings in one group is what we need to recruit.

 

[SOTW 73]

Whilst I agree with sentiments that Boyd shouldn't be traded due to his high work ethic and improvement I don't believe that he is 'untradable'

To be honest what you see now is as good as it gets (i.e. IMO he won't get much better) and his trade currency will never be higher (like the ideal time to trade Ray would have been after last years final - that said hindsight is a wonderful thing and there would have been many complaints if that happened) .... all depends on what we could get for him

He has had a good year and go very close to winning the B&F which is great for him...but lets be honest - is an indicment on the rest of the playing list!

 

[Aker39]

To be honest what you see now is as good as it gets (i.e. IMO he won't get much better)

He's been told that the whole way throughout his footy career.