Do you support your club or do you support the competion it plays in?

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Scenario: Let say you have been supporting Port Melbourne for the last 40 years,

and it was invited into the new ( hypothetical ) Victorian state champions league............would you,

a. Discount everything your club, your life, your devotion, your blood, your sweat your tears had achieved for that time . ?

b. Would you allow the supporters of that league to berate or discount all your club had achieved ?

Another Scenario : Let us say the American NFL ( hypothetically changed its charter ) and became an Auusie football league...

Lets say it invited Essendon to join it amongst all other Australian clubs.

would you discount everything Essendon had done before i.e. wipe the slate clean
or would you say


" Hey look at us weve achieved X VFA Premierships, X VFL premierships and X AFL premierships and now were in the NFL........

or would you Essendon supporters subscribe to the theory that nothing has been achieved and nothing is worth or relevant now that your in the NFL.

Would you agree to NFL supporters saying you are Nobodies with no History or tradition..... ?

PA1870

 

[AlfAndrews]

Keep up the fight, comrade.

But don't expect anyone to understand.

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**floreat pica**

 

[magpie_joffa]

I support collingwood

I would not piss on the AFL

im with you PA1870


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There are only two kinds of people in this world-COLLINGWOOD SUPPORTERS,and those who wish they were!
SHITE here comes COLLINGWOOD to kick your ass forever BLACK AND WHITE,ha ha ha jealousy will be the death of you,SHITE!!!!!

 

[Dan26]

You're a strange one PA1870. A footy clubs history often includes participation in a number of differet competitions over time. But they can only ever be in one league at any one time.

I'm proud that my club has won 16 flags (the record), in the league which we curently compete (the AFL). If we moved to another league, then those 16 flags would still be part of the "CLUBS" history, but it wouldn't count in the new competition.

Just like Port's 34 flags don't count in VFL/AFL history. They only count in SANFL history. But they do count in the clubs history.

Of course I'd barrck for Essendon, getting back to your post. But what the hell is your point anyway? Do you even know what you are talking about sometimes ???

 

[Hawkforce.]

I am happy to congratulate your history and tradition...

As long as you don't try and compare yourself favourably against my club!

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Port Adelaide 1870:

Would you agree to NFL supporters saying you are Nobodies with no History or tradition..... ?

PA1870

PA1870, Port Adealide has massive history and tradition. Unfortunatley, none of that histoey or tradition is in the AFL !

 

[Mags]

I will never support the Afl (Its Football Its The League) and i will never give them money either so they can survie!

I support my club but never the afl.

Mags

 

[carb70]

As I Port supporter I'm very proud of our history, but PA1870 what are you trying to do?. These Victorians don't care about our history, so why do you keep trying to ram it down their throats. Its up to Port Adelaide to create a new history in the AFL before you can expect anyone to take us seriously.

 

[The Pride Of]

So the question is then PA 1870 , does Port Adelaide Power have 36 premierships to boast of, 100 odd years of tradition and history and a claim to wearing the prison bars into the current day competition ?
Your passion for your club is blinding you to the fact that you only entered the AFL in 1997 thus starts your history in this format.
Every club should be proud of its heritige and beginings but when entering a new competition things start anew.
History lesson, first it was called the VFA then it was called the VFL and then it was called the AFL,one flowing competition.
Port Adelaide came into this competition and with no valid reason you wish to bring another competitions results with them, i say no.Be proud and grow with your new club your position is unique as you were there at its birth and with watch it grow into a strong identity without the wrangle of deciding who`s stats belong to who.(Port Natives, Port Adelaide, Port Adelaide Magpies or Port Adelaide Power)
Never forget where you came from but always remember where your going to.

 

[AlfAndrews]

Go the cockle-divers!!!!!!!!

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by The Pride Of:

History lesson, first it was called the VFA then it was called the VFL and then it was called the AFL, one flowing competition.

Your post was excellent EXCEPT for the above comment.

The VFL was a breakaway competiton from the VFA. When the VFL began in 1897, the VFA continued to run, and still does today (ironicaly, it is called the VFL today, for some absurd reason)

The VFL and the AFL are one and the same. They are one flowing competition.

But the VFA is a completely seperate league to the VFL/AFL. A lot of the current AFL teams were in the VFA, until they "moved" to the brand new competition called the VFL. But the VFA still continued as a seperate league in it's own right.

 

[The Pride Of]

Thank you DAN 24 for the correction.

Pride!

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Exactly, I'm very proud that Carlton were one of the earliest clubs and were formed in 1864. I'm fascinated by the events in Carlton's history leading up to 1897. If I am debating on competition matters however, I'm not phased to only quote Blues history from 1897 on. I know they existed before that just as the rest of the football world know what an institution Port Adelaide were and are in the SANFL. Thinking we totally discount your previous history is pure paranoia. We just discount that that same previous history applies to the new competition they joined.

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't Port Adelaide still exist in the SANFL? Doesn't their premiership tally still count when they win another one in the SANFL? Are we expected to count Port Adelaide's history as part of VFL/AFL history thus making them by far the greatest VFL/AFL side ever despite playing in a totally different competition to earn that status? Should Port be able to count their history in two different competitions simultaneously? If flags one by Port in the SANFL from now on add on to their impressive tally and we are counting Ports history in the AFL history as well, does that mean they can cound that as another one for them in their AFL history? Shit, if Port won the SANFL and AFL flag the same year, they would increase their tally by two!!

We recognise that Port were and are the biggest fish in the SANFL pond. That gets you respect in footy circles but does not get you much when you join a new comp except maybe an expectation that you have the structure to know how to be successful and to be wary of Port in time.

If Carlton joined another competition, it would have to be a competition of a higher standard than they are now in. If that happened I would know we would have to prove ourselves again. If we stopped our proud VFL/AFL history to join an inferior competition, well then we would be completely stupid and deserve to be not taken seriously. Which did Port do? They lobbied to join the AFL. Are they stupid? Should they have simply remained the biggest fish in their pond? Or did they join a superior, howver slight, competition to ensure their future? If they did the latter, they would not expect their feats in the small pond to count in the big pond.

It's really quite simple. Cherish your SANFL history just as the rest of the footy public can envy that record as the best in the SANFL.
Time for Port to set up a new dynasty with a much more difficult challenge! Let's wait and see......

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mens sana in corpore sano - a sound mind in a sound body

 

[blackdiamond]

PA1870

I love your passion and you speak the truth. Only a Victorian supporter would completely understand when it happens to them but that is unlikely. Maybe when we go international everything could be wiped.

Don't worry about what all those Victorians try to tell us, one thing they have to get through their head is that, we Port Adelaide are here now and we are not going to go away, we will keep on fighting.

My only answer to the question is seeing that they will not recognise our history I won't recognise theirs.

As far as I am concerned the true national competition started in 1997 when Port entered the AFL, nothing else before counts.

So it stands:

Adelaide - 2 Premierships
Kangaroos - 1 Premiership
Essendon - 1 Premiership

It won't be long and we will be on that list too.

And as far as Brisbane, Carlton, Collingwood, Fremantle, Geelong, Hawthorn, Melbourne, Richmond, Saint Kilda, Sydney, West Coast and the Western Bulldogs they are just as successful as us.

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Port Adelaide Forever

 

[carb70]

Scott to say the comp didn't start until 1997 is a bit stupid because we all know it did exsist before then. Its like staying the world didn't exsist before you where born.

 

[GoEagles]

We've been through this all before, and there was a balance of responces to when the National Competition started. Was it in 1896 or 1990 when the VFL became the AFL?

According to '100 years of Australian Football' It was 1990 when the national league formally started (with the change of logo, name).

It's all too confusing if you count your club's premiership wins PA - because then you'll have Fremantle fans wanting to count South and East Fremantle's premierships in the WANFL/WAFL/Westar and the Eagle fans claiming East Perth (their host clubs) premierships are their's also.

I shall say no more

 

[Carey_is_King]

PA1800 or whatever,
I cannot believe the lengths you will go to, to try to offset your total lack of performance in the 4 years you have been in the AFL. Of course your 300 premierships in the SAFL do not count in this context !! Your history is your history, but it is not relevant to the current competition. It was all achieved in a "second division" competition anyway.

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Trample the Weak,
Hurdle the Dead.

 

[blackdiamond]

Carb

Im a little disappointed with your comments, we try and throw back as much mud as is thrown at us but then you go off and throw mud back at your own supporters.

I know the competition was around before 1997 but the point is that nobody else will recognise our proud history so why should we recognise anything of anybody else before 1997.

Im proud of the history of the Port Adelaide Football Club, why shouldn't we spread the word about how great our club is.

If people want to go around with their ears blocked I will be quite happy to do the same. Before 1997 I followed Port Adelaide in the SANFL, no other competition so I don't have to recognise the AFL before this point.

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Port Adelaide Forever

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Are you reading these posts? We DO recognise Port's achievements in the SANFL. Probably more so than you would recognise any of the AFL's Melbourne clubs performance in the VFA. It just isn't relevant in THIS competition. Do you think North Melbourne, Richmond, Hawthorn and the Bulldogs as latecomers to the VFL many years ago felt that their VFA history should be recognised by the VFL??

You want to hold on to your history so bad why the hell did you even join this comp???? Soemthing to do with it being the pinnacle of football, I would suggest. There is your answer. That is why Brisbane joined and West Coast joined. That is why the QRL pushed for the Brisbane Broncos concept to join the then NSWRL when they had a great local competition. It was the premier competition as much as it pains locals to say it. All the good Qld players went to play there. Why? couldn't have been the weather!!

Each one of the interstate clubs fans seem to think that their arrival in the comp was so earth shattering because of their feats in their own state that 100 years of VFL history should take a back seat to that one team. The only exception seems to be Brisbane who as a traditional league city are merely pleased to be a part of it.

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mens sana in corpore sano - a sound mind in a sound body

 

[carb70]

I'm sorry Scott, I'm very proud of Port's history and I didn't mean to pick on a fellow Port supporter because we have to stick together. I'm just sick and tired of reading about stuff like is the VFL the same as the AFL, does what Collingwood did in the past still give them the right to think they are a great club today, should Essendons VFA premiership be counted in their premiership total , bullshit like that is driving me crazy. I'm sorry I took it out on you.

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by The Pride Of:
So the question is then PA 1870 , does Port Adelaide Power have 36 premierships to boast of, 100 odd years of tradition and history and a claim to wearing the prison bars into the current day competition ?
Your passion for your club is blinding you to the fact that you only entered the AFL in 1997 thus starts your history in this format.
Every club should be proud of its heritige and beginings but when entering a new competition things start anew.
History lesson, first it was called the VFA then it was called the VFL and then it was called the AFL,one flowing competition.
Port Adelaide came into this competition and with no valid reason you wish to bring another competitions results with them, i say no.Be proud and grow with your new club your position is unique as you were there at its birth and with watch it grow into a strong identity without the wrangle of deciding who`s stats belong to who.(Port Natives, Port Adelaide, Port Adelaide Magpies or Port Adelaide Power)
Never forget where you came from but always remember where your going to.

I concur with Dan your Post was excellent except for ANOTHER little mistake.

The Port Natives were not the Port Adelaide Football club, they were a disgruntled number of Port footballers and others that broke away from the Port Adelaide Football Club to Form the Port Natives, subsequently renamed West Torrens..

As for " shoving it down their throats "


I assert that I am not, it appears to me that their are many on Big Footy boards who actually like to discuss, debate or learn about this new club in the new National league ... I am only to happy to repond or be proactive in the discussions..


If you have a problem with it...then it is actually....your problem...not mine...

I also can easily tire about listening to Histories of clubs in a Melbourne suburban competition the VFL.

PA1870

 

[Dan26]

All those Port supporters just have to understand, that we DO acknowledge their history. it's just that they have entered a brand new comp now. I don't count Essendon 4 VFA flags in 1891-92-93-94, because they were achieved in a seperate competition. I acknowledge them as part of Essendon's history. But not part of the VFL/AFL's history.

Port, who is a 100+ year old club, has won 36 flags, but NONE of them are in the AFL. Their "short" AFL histoy has s far, been unsuccessful. Can they turn it around?

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by Carey_is_King:
PA1800 or whatever,
I cannot believe the lengths you will go to, to try to offset your total lack of performance in the 4 years you have been in the AFL. Of course your 300 premierships in the SAFL do not count in this context !! Your history is your history, but it is not relevant to the current competition. It was all achieved in a "second division" competition anyway.

Settle down Abusers......

I am not saying Port Adelaides SANFL record is AFL records !!!!!!
All I am asserting is the idiocy of trying to foist Melbourne suburban football records onto the rest of Australia as if they were NATIONAL records, is a bit cheap, Naieve, and treats the rest of Australia as a bunch of idiots.

CIK so your Dad was second rate ? and your uncle to huh ?

PA1870

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by Port Adelaide 1870:
I concur with Dan your Post was excellent except for ANOTHER little mistake.

The Port Natives were not the Port Adelaide Football club, they were a disgruntled number of Port footballers and others that broke away from the Port Adelaide Football Club to Form the Port Natives, subsequently renamed West Torrens..

As for " shoving it down their throats "


I assert that I am not, it appears to me that their are many on Big Footy boards who actually like to discuss, debate or learn about this new club in the new National league ... I am only to happy to repond or be proactive in the discussions..


If you have a problem with it...then it is actually....your problem...not mine...

I also can easily tire about listening to Histories of clubs in a Melbourne suburban competition the VFL.

PA1870

Sorry Dan...didnt mean to imply this was Your post......

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Just for interests sake fellow contributors..........


At no point did I mention The Port Adelaide Football Club in the posting of this Post.
Nor did I allude to them...
I was making a Generic point............

PA1870