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Couldn't find an old thread on this, but just read that the good Doctor Robyn Wilcourt was found to be a shit bloke by his colleagues. Officially.

This sentence from the article was a bit alarming though...

"Despite the blood test results revealing abnormal hormone results in three players Dr Willcourt failed to follow these up directly, even after marking “alert” on one result and finding another was “terrible”."


Oh dear.
 

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Smoke and mirrors sort of stuff. If someone has abnormally low levels of hormone, they can apply for a TUE. They then can be treated with the guidance of an approved medical person. This article is absolute nonsense. For example, insulin is also banned. If you're not producing enough (Diabetes) are you not allowed to receive any because you are playing sport? Of course not. There is no difference with testosterone and GH.
 

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Official sources from the Medical Board of Australia and VCAT. What was an obstetrician and gynaecologist doing ordering these tests for Dank?? The optics of this are so wrong.
You've just now worked that out? The most telling test ordered by Dank early on was IGF-1 levels. That's a very specialised blood test in medicine only ever ordered by endocrinologists usually looking for Growth Hormone secreting tumours. It also happens to be a marker which goes up when using GH releasing peptides. Now why do you think Dank wanted to know the level of this??????
 

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Now why do you think Dank wanted to know the level of this??????
I guess some sports scientists are there to monitor and apply proven therapies, record all results and use their observations and results to obtain maximum benefits while staying within the boundaries of maintaining good health and the rules. Others are employed to push the boundaries while ensuring that there is nothing to prove that any rules were broken.

But I'm not an expert on this so I can only assume.
 

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I guess some sports scientists are there to monitor and apply proven therapies, record all results and use their observations and results to obtain maximum benefits while staying within the boundaries of maintaining good health and the rules. Others are employed to push the boundaries while ensuring that there is nothing to prove that any rules were broken.

But I'm not an expert on this so I can only assume.
What's that got to do with IGF-1 levels? The ONLY reason to monitor these is to make sure they don't go over the accepted limit by WADA. That means he was either using or planning to use GH releasing substances and would know how far he could push them before any alarm bells would start ringing.
 

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Lucky Dr Reid was there to maintain the integrity of the system....oh wait!
doctors who are over 60 and wear shellsuits get the respect of Bez, evo, and the Happy Mondays and most of manchester. Atleast you know where to get your highest quality MDMA out of Holland or Israel, you go straight to Doc Reid and stuff it getting dodgy knock off Mitsubishi logos

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What's that got to do with IGF-1 levels? The ONLY reason to monitor these is to make sure they don't go over the accepted limit by WADA. That means he was either using or planning to use GH releasing substances and would know how far he could push them before any alarm bells would start ringing.
like when Chris Judd talked about the carbon isotope ratios in exogenous testosterone (creams <unsaid>)...

too much info Chris, when you give such recondite esoterica pleonasm away, it is not making you sound smart, it is actually indicting you, cos you should not know that level of detail in the first place. /grammar

when Churchill and the Allies sought to land at Dunkirk they knew they had to provide believable counterintelligence to mislead Axis powers. It is limitedhangout101 and counter-intelligence. It has to be believable in the first place. Dont put too much sugar on the apocryphal anecdotes

edit:shoulda <read as> ratios not rations
 
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You've just now worked that out? The most telling test ordered by Dank early on was IGF-1 levels. That's a very specialised blood test in medicine only ever ordered by endocrinologists usually looking for Growth Hormone secreting tumours. It also happens to be a marker which goes up when using GH releasing peptides. Now why do you think Dank wanted to know the level of this??????
holllywood Zgope1 #SARMs or other supps?
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doctors who are over 60 and wear shellsuits get the respect of Bez, evo, and the Happy Mondays and most of manchester. Atleast you know where to get your highest quality MDMA out of Holland or Israel, you go straight to Doc Reid and stuff it getting dodgy knock off Mitsubishi logos

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shellsuits ftw
 

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What's that got to do with IGF-1 levels? The ONLY reason to monitor these is to make sure they don't go over the accepted limit by WADA. That means he was either using or planning to use GH releasing substances and would know how far he could push them before any alarm bells would start ringing.
you just look at the foreheads to determine the hgh levels. You need the control baseline, which cannot exist unless you find a cranium mri or xray before they got in an elite training system. Cos they may never have taken a thing, they may never have taken supps or drergs... or, even not taking them, you could be like Fremantle Coach mark harvey and your pituitary gland/endocriinesystem go into overdrive 15 years after you retire. That does come with an asterisk like Don Scott said.

this is my algorithm on hgh supplementation, either peptides to stimulate endogenous production, or... exogenous hgh.

But... look at Arnold Schwarzenegger... I dont believe they started to harvest hgh from human cadavers or monkeys until early 80s, but the testo and soviet epoch 'roids he took, they had growth factors and androgens that made his cranium larger ceteris paribus, that is, all-things-being-equal if he never took the plunge with a hypodermic. Arnie did not have acromegaly. Unlike the Bond, 007 Bond film celluloid villains. They all have acromegaly and grills.

Now, lots of the tall draftees at Bond stadium, sorry, Marvel Stadium, they looked liked they had acromegaly. The prominent simian brow pleonasm.

the conspiracy algorithm:
i) too shiny skin*
the asterisk* will refer to, a comparison, temporal relative to previous view, so one requires to set a baseline or 'control' sample.
ii) rendered facial tissue*
asterisk like that above.
iii) bone structure looking MORE(too) prominent*
iv) muscle on the upper eyelid under the brow rendered
[ see: ii) and vi) ]
v) facial tissue, red tissue, muscle, looking taught and supple and MORE* youthful
vi) eyes becomine more* prominent, a visual illusion, because the muscle and tissue surrounding eye is rendered. this will be more apparent in 'reflected light'. straight on light, looks younger, perfect.
vii) vascularity. and not massive rope circumference vascularity from 12 months of bicep curls, but spidery thin veins, which become* prominent (because of the white tissue rendered, fat loss).
viii) the three dimensional mass of the face, can be seen from 'three-quarter profile'
iix) the nose, like the eyes, visual illusion, it looks longer, more a Roman nose. that said, it looks thinner. part it is looking, a visual illusion, but also, the muscle on the nose, is also rendered, so it actually becomes thinner. I thought the channel 7 male newsreader, had a nosejob. but on googleimages inspection, it is just the peptides rendering the red tissue, white(tendon) tissue.
ix) orange skin, easy to see the melanotan.
 
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