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Problem Doctor Who has is the same as a lot of big franchises with changing lead actors. The level of internet fury and scrutiny on shows has escalated tenfold in the last decade. A lot of people just don't think they're worth it.
 

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Yes, but it has never been as obnoxiously over the top as it has been since Whitaker became the Doctor.
The Rosa Parks episode was brilliant imo and one the whole world needed at the time (and arguably more relevant than ever)

If Social Media was around back then, The Pertwee/Barry Letts/Terrance Dicks era would have copped a lot of heat for dealing with social and economic issues that faced the world, esp Britain at the time.

Although granted it's hard to imagine many of Chibnall's PC episodes ever being as loved by fandom than say The Curse of Peladon or The Green Death
 

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The Rosa Parks episode was brilliant imo and one the whole world needed at the time (and arguably more relevant than ever)

If Social Media was around back then, The Pertwee/Barry Letts/Terrance Dicks era would have copped a lot of heat for dealing with social and economic issues that faced the world, esp Britain at the time.

Although granted it's hard to imagine many of Chibnall's PC episodes ever being as loved by fandom than say The Curse of Peladon or The Green Death
Issue is Chibnall puts in a 30s dump of explaining the episode at the end as if the audience can't understand it.

Imagine Pertwee turning to Sarah Jane/Jo at the end of a Peladon ep and saying "Yes my dear, sometimes it pays to understand that by coming together with other cultures, it can only serve to strengthen your own, much like your Great Britain could do with understanding with all this EU business, hey?"
 

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The "PC Crap" has been with the show since inception..

What they need to stay away from is hamfisted storylines and treating viewers like their idiots who need the morals of the story spelled out..

Although with posts like the above perhaps people genuinely didn't know the point of the stories they were watching.
Don’t think so at all.

Peter Miles (Nyder) wearing an iron cross in Genesis of the daleks

Bernard Horsfall (Goth) holding Tom Baker’s head under water in The deadly assassin

Use of Caucasian actors to play Chinese characters in The Talons of Weng Chiang. Various non PC references to Chinese characters also.

Philip Madoc (Solon) blowing the guts out of Condo in the Brain of Morbius.
 

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Don’t think so at all.

Peter Miles (Nyder) wearing an iron cross in Genesis of the daleks

Bernard Horsfall (Goth) holding Tom Baker’s head under water in The deadly assassin

Use of Caucasian actors to play Chinese characters in The Talons of Weng Chiang. Various non PC references to Chinese characters also.

Philip Madoc (Solon) blowing the guts out of Condo in the Brain of Morbius.
What odd references to cite when the first is a pretty clear example of politics being evoked in a Doctor Who story, and the third being a product of its time not something that was controversial back then.
 

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Probably too big of a name to be considered now..

Eccleston was probably the only 'household' name to be cast as The Doctor since Peter Davison (Tom Baker was constriction site worker and part-time actor when Barry Letts cast him.
Have you listened to the Tom baker audiobook?
 

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What odd references to cite when the first is a pretty clear example of politics being evoked in a Doctor Who story, and the third being a product of its time not something that was controversial back then.
Maybe I read your post wrong. Are you saying that Dr Who has had PC undertones since inception?
 

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No, I read his autobiography a while back, and listened to some of his work for Big Finish Productions and his narration of some his Target Novelizations for BBC Audio (of which I am a big collector of)
It’s phenomenal. His ability to tell a story is brilliant.
 

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Ok, got you. I thought you meant that they tried to push a politically correct agenda.
The show has never done that. What people perceive as "PC Crap" is the same things the show has always pushed. Which was my point. The issue is the way the message has been 'pushed' has changed, which I agree is clumsy and poor.
 

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No haven’t read it.

He used to drink (heavily) at the colony room in SOHO. Kicked around with some interesting characters. Francis Bacon for one.
Very good and fun book, Fourth Doctor, Sarah and Harry, but being written by him gives it an extra something. There's a scene where he meets future Doctors too which is quite fun.
 

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Very good and fun book, Fourth Doctor, Sarah and Harry, but being written by him gives it an extra something. There's a scene where he meets future Doctors too which is quite fun.
Harry was great. One of the best scenes is in Revenge of the cybermen;

‘HARRY SULLIVAN IS AN IMBECILE’
 

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Just watched the Curse of Fenric again. It’s a brilliant story. It receives some criticism for a somewhat confusing narrative and multiple plots that are apparently ‘confusing’ but if you take it for what it is then it’s a great film.

I am a big fan of ‘the ancient one’ he has become my favourite baddie / hero. I recommend watching it again.
 

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Still the best ending to a Dr Who story. It’s great the way the Ancient One realises that he is about to create the world that is devastated by chemical poison and rot. Ending humanity. I find him to be a very ‘human’ character whom has emotions and a conscience even though he is ultimately a haemovore.

The seventh doctor is phenomenal here. His best scene and ultimately one of the best scenes ever in Dr Who. Everyone is amazing in this scene, but ultimately Ace and the Doctor.

Classic who at its darkest.

 
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Been re-watching NuWho (still continuing on from the re-watch that started all the way back with Pertwee a bit over a year ago), and Capaldi's second season is vastly underrated. Only one standout bad episode in the lot (Sleep No More), the rest are crackers.
 

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I haven't seen any of the old Who but Heaven Sent is one of the best episodes (if not the best episode) of all the NuWho. Capaldi was phenomenal.

I 100% agree that season 9 is vastly underrated.
 

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Rest in peace Tony Selby



Sabalom Glitz was one of my favourite characters, going to dust off my Trial of a Timelord box set and re watch it again tomorrow or so.
 

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