Does anyone actually like Ken Judge?

[Hazell_rules]

Being a Hawthorn supporter I was jsut wondering how all you eagles supporters were enjoying having Judgy as your coach ( if that what you want to call him!) If Judge lasts the season I would be surprised the guy cant coach and I'm glad you guys have him and we dont! HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

I can not speak for others, but i certainly like him. Tactically he might be no comparison to Malthouse but it terms of rebuilding teams he is the best in the comp.

And how can you dislike him? Being a hawthorn supporter you should like the guy for making your team strong again. Schwab certainly isn't doing all that much with the resources Judgy left him.

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[eagleskickass]

I also like him and think he is exactly what we need. He rebuilt Hawthorn really well, slowly. This meant it took a bit longer but for a better team. Now he will rebuild the Eagles and then once again probably leave and someone else get the success like Schwabb will, although Schwabb is also a good young coach and will have a good career I reckon. Plenty of success.

 

[Eagle_Fan]

I dont like him. I didn't believe he was the right choice when they signed him, and still don't. Some of his methods aren't siuted to our players IMO, and I certainly dont think the way he 'punishes them' after a bad game helps improve team moral. Public humiliation may work occasionally in the short term, but I dont believe it helps build a strong foundation for a sucessful team. Paying his contract out shouldnt be a problem, and I hope thats what happens at the end of this season.

Just what I think anyway...

 

[ah_19]

i like him
hes reuilbing the team well, and thats what most eagles supporters want for now
with aoubt 7-8 very good young players to start with it shouldnt take him too long, hes recruited 8 more since he came + cox through the rookie list....
i am happy,

 

[jod23]

I like him and dilike him at the same time. Some of the things he does pisses me off but you cant argue that he isnt good at rebuilding a team. He did a great job a Hawthorn and hopefully he can do the same here.

 

[GoEagles]

I have nothing against Ken Judge as a person, but I agree with Eagle_Fan about some of his coaching methods used in 2000. When he was coaching East Fremantle he used to be able to get the best out of each player they had and I was hoping he could repeat that with the Eagles after coaching stints at Carlton (Assistant) and Hawthorn (Senior Coach) but instead he blasts and puts down his own team in the press conference - would a Sheedy or Pagan ever do that?

If the Eagles finish anywhere from 13th-16th, do you think the club will keep Judge for his 3rd year of the contract?

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

It depends on what he does with the players. If we finish 16th because of a poor run with injuries but he gets youngsters to play really well he will be kept on for his 3rd year.

But he's more likely than not to keep his job as the club has undergone drastic changes lately and will want to slow things down, stabilise the club and playing list a bit.

But if he does lose his job i think Rob Wiley should be his replacement. People are saying get woosha, but woosha is a rookie in terms of experience as compared to wiley.

The guy was offered a chance to coach the dockers after neeshams sacking but wanted to stay on with the eagles. That tells me he is a true eagle and his passion alone would make him a great coach.

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[Pessimistic]

If he's such a good recruiter then why not employ him as one. A coach needs to coach. Some of the hawthorn boys have improver 200% since he left.

PS Thanks eagles for getting him off our hands without us having to compensate him. And be ready for when he 'resigns' he will have a lawyer in tow.

Bye Bye Ken Excuse

 

[Captain Random]

A few random comments

I think he's okay, but I tend to agree with Eagle_Fan - he tends to overreact to a loss. It was pretty upsetting opening the paper last year and seeing Wirra (who had played his guts out that week) running around with a weight as punishment

Anyway, it's pretty amusing to see Hawks fans crowing about the Eagles taking Judge - didn't he take the Hawks to an Ansett Cup?

 

[sabre_ac]

I see nothing wrong with Ken Judge and I believe that he has done a good job so far.

He has installed discipline in the eagles line up and he is certainly no god digger like Malthouse is.

But sadly come mid season when the eagles have only won 1 or 2 games, or even less he will cop the sack.

And the next coach will be installed, and when he does reach the hights that eagles supporter have become acustomed to then his will loose his job.

The cycle will continue untill the eagles start wining games again.Which as it stands is a few years away no matter what coach is at the club.Its something eagle supporters have to realise, that there list is aging and there crop of young players lack the skills or the potential of their more senior players.

A few wooden spoons or down that area will secure them the players required to start again.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Originally posted by sabre_ac:
But sadly come mid season when the eagles have only won 1 or 2 games, or even less he will cop the sack.

The cycle will continue untill the eagles start wining games again.Which as it stands is a few years away no matter what coach is at the club.Its something eagle supporters have to realise, that there list is aging and there crop of young players lack the skills or the potential of their more senior players.

I actually disagree with the comments i quoted above.

1) WCE as a club understands what is required to get back to the top8 and does not have unrealisitic expectations.

2) Our list is not ageing. Our average age would have to be in the low 20's.

3) Eagles supporters are bracing themselves for a long season (even though we stay optimistic)

4) As eagles supporters we know what our list is capable of and we certainly do not have the worst list in the league(ie. wooden spoon).

5) With 11 home games and a dream away game to freo the eagles are unlikely to have less than 7 wins for the season. Hence, no wooden spoon.

6) our youngsters are the best since 1996 when we were introduced to ben cousins.

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[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes:
I actually disagree with the comments i quoted above.

1) WCE as a club understands what is required to get back to the top8 and does not have unrealisitic expectations.

2) Our list is not ageing. Our average age would have to be in the low 20's.

3) Eagles supporters are bracing themselves for a long season (even though we stay optimistic)

4) As eagles supporters we know what our list is capable of and we certainly do not have the worst list in the league(ie. wooden spoon).

5) With 11 home games and a dream away game to freo the eagles are unlikely to have less than 7 wins for the season. Hence, no wooden spoon.

6) our youngsters are the best since 1996 when we were introduced to ben cousins.

Yes your average age is low and your have allot of youngsters at your club.
But thats not what im talking about.
Your quality players are in the twilight of there career, and a few quality young players you have will not fill the void when these players leave and has not filled the void over the past few years left by retiring players.

Wether or not you realise you do have the weakest list in the competion.But your one saving grace is your home games, which I believe will be enough to keep your off the bottom.

Dream away game again freo, suggesting that they will be easy beats like last time, even though your list has weakend significantly and fremantles has strenghtend since last year?

Yes your youngsters are the best since 96.But isnt 96 also since you started lossing ground.The introduction of one quality player ie Cousins really isnt enough to sustain your record.

The fact remains you hit gold in the early 1990's with the zoning and drafting of unbelievable home grown talent.That you wont see again. But that said your drafting up till this point has been poor, with very few people taking the load off the same olds that include kemp and Jackovich and matera.

To gain the required quality young players can only really be achieved from a few years down the bottom of the ladder and good recruiting.Thats what the ladder is all about all clubs go through cycles or success and failure.Sure sum clubs stay on highs and lows longer than others, but that said all club go through it.

And its some thing the eagles are going to go through,while they rebuild a aging and lack of key position player list.

 

[ONE EYE]

As far as I am concerned the Jury is out on Mickey Malthouse. He walked into a West Coast Footy Club with a team primed for Premiership success. Evident in that his recruiting was atrocious after our Premierships. This has left us in our current position. The players traded by Judge last year showed hes got a lot of guts ie Gherig, White and Metro. Great servants of the Club but they were not going to win us a Flag. In fact in the case of Gherig and White probably were not always fit enough due to injury. Did Judge trade Ball as well?

The Jury is out on Judge. But watch out for "his recruits" Kerr, Gasper, Cox, Munro, Haynes, Humm, Glass and Cox. I havent seen Buszan, Beeck or McDougall to comment. Not to mention the experienced players he recruited this year who will see us through a year or two whilst these develope. Further, how good is Gardiner, Cousins, Wirrpunda, Fletcher, Braun, Jones, Williams, Phil Matera.

I just get annoyed with supporters from other Clubs and our own supporters who havent attended all the preseason games, as I have, make uninformed comments about my team. Maybe I have got only ONE EYE!!!!! I am not saying we will win a Premiership in the next year or two but I can see what Judgey is doing.

I think some of the so called Eagle Supporters on this Site should take a long hard look at themselves and take up Water Polo (See any analogy there?) As far as the Eagles are concerned we dont need you.

Go Eagles!!!!!!

 

[Visro]

Boy i wish we had two Cox's ONE EYE

Vis

 

[ah_19]

i agree ONE_EYE
i was glad malthouse left
when i looked back over what he achieved and what he had to work with and what he left us with it didnt seem too spectacular
judge has recruited some great future key position players
gaspar, glass, mcdougall, cox, buszan, beeck
plus gardiner with that it looks good
the list of younger players has increased in talent 200% since judge got here, and it seems that judge hasnt recruited any duds like obrien or bennet.

i would be happy if we were out of the finals for the next 2-3 years as long as judge contines to build up talent like he has so far.

[This message has been edited by ah_19 (edited 21 March 2001).]

 

[jod23]

Sabre - if you can get down from your high horse for a minute and we can talk seriously it would be appreciated. What makes you think that Freo will be better than us this year???

Freo will probably be that team that has 1 or 2 wins mid year and loses there coach!

We have good experienced players (matera, jako, kemp, banfield, mcintosh) very good middle players (cousins, wirri, gardiner, braun, ph matera, jones, williams, cummings)
and good youngsters (Fletcher, cox, kerr, glass, humm ect)....

So why you think we will finish last is beyond me.

You say our saving grace will be home games!!! Freo problems lie with not being able to win away. There useless outside of West Australia, they always have been. You should stop coming on our boards and discussing my clubs future, you should be taking a long hard look at your own team!.

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by jod23:
Sabre - if you can get down from your high horse for a minute and we can talk seriously it would be appreciated. What makes you think that Freo will be better than us this year???

Freo will probably be that team that has 1 or 2 wins mid year and loses there coach!

We have good experienced players (matera, jako, kemp, banfield, mcintosh) very good middle players (cousins, wirri, gardiner, braun, ph matera, jones, williams, cummings)
and good youngsters (Fletcher, cox, kerr, glass, humm ect)....

So why you think we will finish last is beyond me.

You say our saving grace will be home games!!! Freo problems lie with not being able to win away. There useless outside of West Australia, they always have been. You should stop coming on our boards and discussing my clubs future, you should be taking a long hard look at your own team!.

High horse???

Main reason for freo having more success this year?
Easy we were better than you last year, and your list has significantly weakend while ours has strengthed since last year.

You will finish last because your forward line is ever worse than that of the dockers.Your main focal point is a one dimensional player who if its not lace out on the chest can do very little else with the ball.You lack any half forward to think of, and your second focal point is a small crumbing player, who doesnt have a player to crumb off.

Your young players are average to say the least, and will hardly step up and lift your side this year. You have the stars cousins,wirrapunda,Gardiner,Kemp,Braun and matera.Notice a trend?
There all mid field types.
No body that can fill the void left by Gehrig and White.

I have been having a good hard look at my club for years and will continue to do so.My clubs future is far more certain and secure than that of yours.
All im pointing out is that one thing eagles supporters have to realise is that with success comes failure.And for the next few years you are going to experience this faillure.Your club has had it so good for so long, and so have the supporters.The next few years will bring them down to earth.
Eagles supporters are notorious for the high standards they expect and have a history of kicking there team when its down.

Im not attacking anyone on this board.
I just highlightening the problems ahead for the eagles.And attacking/sacking your coach will not solve anything.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Wow, we're getting a lecture about success from a freo supporter.

Our forward line is strong, Cummings, Phil Matera, Merenda, Sierakowski, Wilson and Roo. Thats to name a few. Many other players have had success there including morrison, embley, wirra, cousins, Macca, etc.

Freo's forward line is better than ours?? HA!!! You only have Modra, and when was the last time he scored a bag? Who else do you have? Waterhouse? He's so over-rated you'd think we were living in america.

Eagles will not finish at the bottom and I am confident enough to make a $10 bet with you that we will finish higher than freo. And probably 90% of eagles supporters on this forum would make that bet happily.

CARN THE EAGLES!!!

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[This message has been edited by daddy_4_eyes (edited 21 March 2001).]

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes:
Wow, we're getting a lecture about success from a freo supporter.

Our forward line is strong, Cummings, Phil Matera, Merenda, Sierakowski, Wilson and Roo. Thats to name a few. Many other players have had success there including morrison, embley, wirra, cousins, Macca, etc.

Freo's forward line is better than ours?? HA!!! You only have Modra, and when was the last time he scored a bag? Who else do you have? Waterhouse? He's so over-rated you'd think we were living in america.

Eagles will not finish at the bottom and I am confident enough to make a $10 bet with you that we will finish higher than freo. And probably 90% of eagles supporters on this forum would make that bet happily.

CARN THE EAGLES!!!

All im saying is that there is tough times ahead for the eagles supporters.Some of who have problems with loyalty.And sacking the coach wont help.

And on to the eagles forward line.
I think a forward line of
Modra,Schell,Waterhouse,Koops and Pavlich are better than any combination you can put forward.

All I can say is im looking forward to the next derby.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Originally posted by sabre_ac:

And on to the eagles forward line.
I think a forward line of
Modra,Schell,Waterhouse,Koops and Pavlich are better than any combination you can put forward.

All I can say is im looking forward to the next derby.

Schell? Koops? Pavlich? Who, who and who?

Pavlich is a good player, i'll give you that. But he certainly will not average more than a goal a game.

Koops- Hell if I know why you rate him so high.

Schell- see Koops

Modra- past his prime and will get taken out of the game by any decent fullback. Cummings rips his arse.

Waterhouse- Has been overrated since being drafted at no.1 wouldn't make the starting 22 on any team in the AFL, bar collingwood of course

All i can say is i'm also looking orward to the next derby. It's only 5 weeks away.

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[MDB]

Sabre,
Why dont you go back to your own board anyway. We obviously dont want to hear what you have to say, especially when you dont know what you are talking about.

To say that Freo has a better forward line with players who have hardley played a game (ie. Schell a 1 gamer and Koops about 25). Just because Schell showed a bit of promise in the Ansett Cup, remember is WAS only the Ansett cup and anyone can do well in that competition when the full strength full backs aren't playing....

Also, having your a*se kicked by over 10 goals two weeks in a row doesnt, I dont think, give you a right to come onto our board and talk up Freo.....They alway have been and always will be duds. (At least we have proven success in our history and we still have a heap more derbys that you. It will take a long time to catch up.) Oh, also, any club who has McManus as a captain is absolutely kidding themself.

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by MDB:
Sabre,
Why dont you go back to your own board anyway. We obviously dont want to hear what you have to say, especially when you dont know what you are talking about.

To say that Freo has a better forward line with players who have hardley played a game (ie. Schell a 1 gamer and Koops about 25). Just because Schell showed a bit of promise in the Ansett Cup, remember is WAS only the Ansett cup and anyone can do well in that competition when the full strength full backs aren't playing....

Also, having your a*se kicked by over 10 goals two weeks in a row doesnt, I dont think, give you a right to come onto our board and talk up Freo.....They alway have been and always will be duds. (At least we have proven success in our history and we still have a heap more derbys that you. It will take a long time to catch up.) Oh, also, any club who has McManus as a captain is absolutely kidding themself.

Um i didnt attack your club or you.
I just pointed out you have tough times ahead.
Personal attacks game from sum ealge supporters.
And no i didnt come here to talk up freo chances if you look more CLOSELY you will see it was a ealges supporter that brought up Freo.

And again if you bothered to read I have always said mc Manus was the worst captain in the league.

Im still going to support the eagles as my second team.But I know as well as you do that there are tough times ahead for the side.And getting rid of your coach isnt the answer.The answer is some lean years, which are on the way

 

[Visro]

Ok lets just wait for the season before we base criticism of each other.

Sabre every time you come on here you tell us our weaknesses, we only need to be told once okay

How would you like it if we came on your board all the time and said things about freo?

Vis

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[ah_19]

the dockers have worse times ahead
they have some future starts, superstars
pavlich, haselby, brown
they have some good second tier players
walker, black, longmuir#1 and #2,
but you really lack class, getting bell has stuffed your team up, the eagles will have bad 1-2 years, the dockers 3-4 (assuming they get a decent coach and ceo)