Does anyone know the AFL's compensation algorithm?

[ShriekingShack]

The AFL say they have a highly complex compensation algorithm that calculates what teams get for losing players. They have denied just making things up as they please.

Now that we know there is due process in place, does anyone know or can anyone guess what this highly complex formula is?

 

[branedotorg]

If they don't know it, why would we?

 

[Farm Boy]

The AFL say they have a highly complex compensation algorithm that calculates what teams get for losing players. They have denied just making things up as they please.

Now that we know there is due process in place, does anyone know or can anyone guess what this highly complex formula is?

If the AFL release player wages, and length of contract, we will be able to get a clearer picture. Then the AFL could release their method of analysis, and how do they come to their conclusions. We know the AFL won't do this, because it would take the discretion out of their hands. I suspect at the moment the formula is whatever Gil wants it to be, depending on the circumstance, and where the teams are positioned.

 

[branedotorg]

na hang, found it

 

[falcons2]

http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Any system that offers the same compensation for Motlop as it does for Franklin is joke. I'd really like the fast talkers of the AFL to explain that one.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency

There’s always wriggle room:
“In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result.”

 

[Kram]

It's basically the vibe.

 

[Underarm]

Any system that offers the same compensation for Motlop as it does for Franklin is joke. I'd really like the fast talkers of the AFL to explain that one.

They werent. Hawthorn got the largest compo they could get, despite the contract being well over the minimum threshold. The pick was so low because Hawks had just won the Premiership.

Motlop just scraped into the 2nd level of Compo.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Also,
“
The compensation formula produces a points rating for players based on:

1. The new contract of the free agent;
2. The age of the free agent.”

But they don’t say which combinations of age/contract fall into which compo bands.

So they have a system that lacks transparency, produces crazy outcomes and can be overridden when they want a different result.

Total mess

 

[Ricky Vaughn]

Any system that offers the same compensation for Motlop as it does for Franklin is joke. I'd really like the fast talkers of the AFL to explain that one.

I can see them getting all twisted in knots trying to explain that one...

"Franklin was band 1 compensation, Motlop was band 2. Due to circumstance (Hawthorn Premiership and GWS being stripped of a draft pick), both picks ended up being the same."

Actually, I think they'll be fine.

 

[basashi]

Quote from AFL material "In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result."

How is this not materially anomalous?

If any sense check of the formula outcome (as described above) to prevent "materially anomalous results" is formally a step in the process, then it can no longer be said that the Motlop compensation is in line with the process. The process has a step here to prevent this sort of thing... and which was not used.

 

[PowerForGood]

They werent. Hawthorn got the largest compo they could get, despite the contract being well over the minimum threshold. The pick was so low because Hawks had just won the Premiership.

Motlop just scraped into the 2nd level of Compo.

Not talking about the process, but clearly flawed if if can give the same result.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

They werent. Hawthorn got the largest compo they could get, despite the contract being well over the minimum threshold. The pick was so low because Hawks had just won the Premiership.

Motlop just scraped into the 2nd level of Compo.

read above - they have the provison to reassess anomalous outcomes in extreme circumstances.

Apparently a $9m contract isn’t that extreme.

Also - we don’t know if motlop scraped in or was clearly in that band. All we know for sure is that Franklins contract and motlops contract produced exactly the same pick in compo.

 

[Ricky Vaughn]

I believe there is a small addendum to the compensation formula, which states;
Should Steven Motlop ever sign elsewhere as a free agent, we'll ignore both his contract and age, and just give Geelong the same pick Hawthorn got for Lance Franklin, you know, for the lols.

It's controversial, but I support it.

 

[Senor Ed]

It's basically the vibe.

Its Mabo

 

[FRUMPY]

Compensation Pick Rules:

1. As per other rules - AFL to make it up on the spot to suit what agenda we are wanting
2. Make up excuse about a tricky formula we cannot disclose publicly (because we don't have one)

 

[asanque]

Any system that offers the same compensation for Motlop as it does for Franklin is joke. I'd really like the fast talkers of the AFL to explain that one.

The compensation for Buddy will always be flawed.

The correct result would have been the AFL using their discretion to increase the compensation for Buddy but that didn't suit their agenda.

If the highest salary and longest contract ever for a player didn't satisfy special compensation, then nothing ever will.

Just another massive clusterf*ck under the Vlad regime.

 

[The Gong]

 

[falcons2]

From the link I previously posted
"In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result."
also in the same document
"The free agency system started at the end of 2012 and will remain until the end of 2016."

Therefore I don't know if new rules have been written but carried over.
Also there is lots of articles available that explain what the AFL consider but all fail to mention what is the formula algorithm to arrive at the points that determine the band.

 

[The Swert]

They werent. Hawthorn got the largest compo they could get, despite the contract being well over the minimum threshold. The pick was so low because Hawks had just won the Premiership.

Motlop just scraped into the 2nd level of Compo.

Compensation should be irrelevant of finishing position.
Make it end of first round, end of second round etc.

You shouldn't have two different levels result in the same pick.
It just lacks common sense.

 

[falcons2]

You shouldn't have two different levels result in the same pick.
It just lacks common sense.

It doesn't lack common sense.

It is riddled with poor design.

 

[estibador]

It's the same algorithm they use for nearly everything they do - first they decide the outcome they want, then they work backwards to invent a rationale to get there.

 

[Struggle]

It doesn't exist. It all depends on if they want to award the club a disguised priority pick

 

[kozi]

Gillon takes the price of his lunch on the day and divides by pi. Then google maps the expected time of his route home and multiplies by how many blue cars he sees on the way.