Analysis Does Derek Get a Pass Mark?

[jmac70]

Why is "indigenous identity" so important to you PC people? To me people are just people and I take them as they come. You are the ones who are racist. Also you are the ones who are offensive, what you are saying to me is extremely offensive.

the fact is that most are more than 1/2 white. do you think there's something wrong with being half indigenous and half white. If not then why is it offensive? that means you are insulting people of mixed blood.
do you think people shouldnt' be allowed to say certain truths? Some truths should be hidden? YOu people are disgustingly oppressive but you dont' intimidate me so stiff cheese.

Your first sentence makes it very clear what you are.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

It is a long way too early to be giving out any sort of mark (pass or fail) for any recruiter in the draft. Far too much water to pass under the bridge yet - I know it's hard at times but you have to be mindful of the fact that these kids have not done a single thing at AFL level yet.

As an example the best player in the game now was bypassed by every other club that had a pick in the first round in '09 (some of them multiple times) - you just never know who is really going to stand up in a draft crop and sometimes virtually entire rounds in a draft can be a wash.

Pendlebury went at pick 5

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Well said popin. Whilst I wish all our selections well another draft goes by without an Indigenous player selected. We must have the lowest representation in the AFL and IMO it is not good enough.

Ah what? This isn't a charity. You take the best available given your needs at the time. If that means we never have another indigenous player play for us ever again so be it. The club's success needs to come first.

 

[10571z]

Ah what? This isn't a charity. You take the best available given your needs at the time. If that means we never have another indigenous player play for us ever again so be it. The club's success needs to come first.

I'm sure if Rioli was available at pick 30 we would have taken him. But we aren't going to select at aboriginal just because we don't have many on the list

 

[jmac70]

Ah what? This isn't a charity. You take the best available given your needs at the time. If that means we never have another indigenous player play for us ever again so be it. The club's success needs to come first.

I think our club needs to have a strategy for increasing our level of Indigenous talent. I certainly don't advocate becoming a charity. If we can attract elite Indigenous players it will strengthen the club. I believe we will only have one Indigenous player on our list which in my view is too low.

 

[10571z]

I think our club needs to have a strategy for increasing our level of Indigenous talent. I certainly don't advocate becoming a charity. If we can attract elite Indigenous players it will strengthen the club. I believe we will only have one Indigenous player on our list which in my view is too low.

the flip? How about we just pick the best kid to suit our needs.. If we end up with 10 indigenous players or 0 then so be it.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

I think our club needs to have a strategy for increasing our level of Indigenous talent. I certainly don't advocate becoming a charity. If we can attract elite Indigenous players it will strengthen the club. I believe we will only have one Indigenous player on our list which in my view is too low.

I want us to attract the most elite player irrespective of skin colour or cultural background. If we were to select only indigenous players with the rest of eternity because they ARE the best available I would be equally fine with it.

The only point I'll ever bemoan anything is where we take a player who wasn't the best selection available to us given our needs at that point in time.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

I don't dispute that the club does need a strategy to ensure we get the most we can out of every player once they're at our club, but that's irrelevant to this discussion.

 

[jmac70]

the flip? How about we just pick the best kid to suit our needs.. If we end up with 10 indigenous players or 0 then so be it.

Did you even read my post?

 

[SideysBottom]

Ask me in 3 years, contrary to most drafts where we know pretty early in their development whether we have done well, I think this draft will be a wait and see especially with Sier and Crocker.

Having said that we have planned our recruiting strategy around trading picks by getting Treloar and Aish, so it's not going to be a definite fail for Hine, as long as he continues to scoop the draft for a steal.

 

[mike123]

Why is "indigenous identity" so important to you PC people? To me people are just people and I take them as they come. You are the ones who are racist. Also you are the ones who are offensive, what you are saying to me is extremely offensive.

the fact is that most are more than 1/2 white. do you think there's something wrong with being half indigenous and half white. If not then why is it offensive? that means you are insulting people of mixed blood.
do you think people shouldnt' be allowed to say certain truths? Some truths should be hidden? YOu people are disgustingly oppressive but you dont' intimidate me so stiff cheese.

Okay, some of the guys I listed are half white, what's your point?

 

[popin]

The only things that should matter is talent and best available, race or ethnic background should never decide who gets picked. It should never decide who doesn't get picked either.

Don't be to serious, didn't you get the td red face's I put up

 

[partypie]

Pendlebury went at pick 5

... in the 2005 draft. A pretty solid draft that was.

 

[popin]

One more to my 'ignore list'

People really need to lighting up, my post was suppose to sound cheeky with all the red face's put up like td doe's when he gets mad

 

[Horaceg]

Don't be to serious, didn't you get the td red face's I put up

Point taken

 

[sr36]

I think our club needs to have a strategy for increasing our level of Indigenous talent. I certainly don't advocate becoming a charity. If we can attract elite Indigenous players it will strengthen the club. I believe we will only have one Indigenous player on our list which in my view is too low.

It would be nice if the team, like the supporter base, was representative of a wide range of cultures - I'd love it if we had an Islamic superstar playing for us - as it'd do more than anything to help diffuse the growing societal prejudice against Islam, but I disagree with the idea of Collingwood being an affirmative action club. I want us to win premierships and not have selections dependent on a quota system.

Having said that, I am becoming suspicious that there may be same bias within our recruiting team against Indigenous Australians. Over the last 5 years or so, we've happily recruited Indigenous footballers who have been at other clubs and shown that they can handle the rigours and structures of an AFL system, but I suspect we may be wary of drafting 18 year old Indigenous kids. If this is true, I hope that it's thinking that the club can move on from. Then again, I don't follow the draft enough, and am unable to point to any examples where we should have drafted an Indigenous kid rather than whoever we picked.

 

[Smoky]

the flip? How about we just pick the best kid to suit our needs.. If we end up with 10 indigenous players or 0 then so be it.

Did you even read my post?

It's exactly the same around and around again and again with your insistence that we don't recruit Indigenous Players and we should. But everyone appears to be saying "shouldn't we just take the best available no matter what the colour of their skin???"

You say yeah... but they need to be Indigenous cause other clubs have recruited Indigenous players etc etc...

Then once again someone calls you out and says "But shouldn't we just take the best available no matter what the colour of their skin?"

You say "Did you even read my post?" as if its exactly what you weren't saying we should recruit Indigenous players... purely because they're Indigenous!

You disappear your a few hours and start the whole debate up again with a new target!!!

You like to get on your high horse and indicate that people are racist... but your whole arguement has flaws in equality that (well...) nearly all of us can see.


Take the best available - NO MATTER WHAT THE COLOUR OF THEIR SKIN.

 

[jmac70]

It would be nice if the team, like the supporter base, was representative of a wide range of cultures - I'd love it if we had an Islamic superstar playing for us - as it'd do more than anything to help diffuse the growing societal prejudice against Islam, but I disagree with the idea of Collingwood being an affirmative action club. I want us to win premierships and not have selections dependent on a quota system.

Having said that, I am becoming suspicious that there may be same bias within our recruiting team against Indigenous Australians. Over the last 5 years or so, we've happily recruited Indigenous footballers who have been at other clubs and shown that they can handle the rigours and structures of an AFL system, but I suspect we may be wary of drafting 18 year old Indigenous kids. If this is true, I hope that it's thinking that the club can move on from. Then again, I don't follow the draft enough, and am unable to point to any examples where we should have drafted an Indigenous kid rather than whoever we picked.

Indigenous talent from remote communities is certainly an area where clubs could focus more time on. It would take a lot of organising and support but the benefits for both the club and Aboriginal communities could be massive. I have said this before but I believe the AFL should give clubs two additional category B rookie spots for remote communities.

 

[jmac70]

It's exactly the same around and around again and again with your insistence that we don't recruit Indigenous Players and we should. But everyone appears to be saying "shouldn't we just take the best available no matter what the colour of their skin???"

You say yeah... but they need to be Indigenous cause other clubs have recruited Indigenous players etc etc...

Then once again someone calls you out and says "But shouldn't we just take the best available no matter what the colour of their skin?"

You say "Did you even read my post?" as if its exactly what you weren't saying we should recruit Indigenous players... purely because they're Indigenous!

You disappear your a few hours and start the whole debate up again with a new target!!!

You like to get on your high horse and indicate that people are racist... but your whole arguement has flaws in equality that (well...) nearly all of us can see.


Take the best available - NO MATTER WHAT THE COLOUR OF THEIR SKIN.

For the 100th time, IMO the club could improve the list by putting in place a strategy for targeting more Indigenous players. It is not about choosing a player just because they are Indigenous. It is about finding Indigenous players who have the talent we need, i.e. The best available players. Many Indigenous players have a unique skill set that we seem to lack on our list.

 

[Smoky]

For the 100th time, IMO the club could improve the list by putting in place a strategy for targeting more Indigenous players. It is not about choosing a player just because they are Indigenous. It is about finding Indigenous players who have the talent we need, i.e. The best available players. Many Indigenous players have a unique skill set that we seem to lack on our list.

Who says we haven't done that... and we actually took the best available?

You say we haven't???

 

[jmac70]

Who says we haven't done that... and we actually took the best available?

You say we haven't???

We have one Aboriginal player on the list and have not drafted an 18 year old in some time. On the surface it appears that our recruiters prefer other types of player. Perhaps over the next few seasons it might be a good idea to change that.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Going way off topic because people are getting snarky.
Just saying

Important topic re indigenous players? Yes important. Create new thread.
Relevant on this thread? Unsure perhaps, but just causes disunity.
I thought side by side was better way to go.

I just dont believe our club today does anything other than pick best player possible.

 

[BLS World Wide]

onya Derek

 

[MyManLynch]

We have one Aboriginal player on the list and have not drafted an 18 year old in some time. On the surface it appears that our recruiters prefer other types of player. Perhaps over the next few seasons it might be a good idea to change that.

I'm not sure what the club policy is, however I assume it's best available talent & or specific list needs (player type or position type).
Our most recent recruits have been busts:
2001 Richard Cole pick 11
2004 Chris Egan pick 10
Plus Cox, Dick, Buckley, Bennell, Ugle, Yagmoor & Armstrong.
I hope that we are not gun shy.
Krak was a success. Varcoe looking good. I would not have objected to Shane Yarran.
I look forward to our next indigenous player...

It's a sensitive issue that clubs cannot even discuss internally (just ask Matt Rendell).
W.A clubs appear more confident in recruiting young W.A indigenous players (closer to home & community).
Essendon, Richmond & Melbourne seem to consistently recruit??

Edit: I forgot about Neon Leon...how could I ? He was a great player for us.

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

I think our club needs to have a strategy for increasing our level of Indigenous talent. I certainly don't advocate becoming a charity. If we can attract elite Indigenous players it will strengthen the club. I believe we will only have one Indigenous player on our list which in my view is too low.

How about just attracting elite players regardless? Treloar is a good start.