Analysis Does Derek Get a Pass Mark?

[Apex36]

Hine is still living on his picking Pendlebury reputation. Wouldn't be in the top 8 recruiters in the afl if it wasn't for that.

Beams at 29.

Williams as a rookie.

Langdon at 65 (Marsh will be in this category by this time next year too).

De Goey at 5 (everyone regarded it as a reach at the time)

Elliott + steak knives for pick 25(?)

Lumumba as a rookie.

I could keep going.

Hine is only living on his Pendlebury reputation to those who willingly ignore the fact he has consistently delivered quality players to the club with both early and late picks. Why does it not surprise me that you're one of those people.

 

[35Daicos]

Look at clubs like West Coast and Hawthorn. Bruest and Smith. Hine is behind those recruiters when it comes to picking later in the draft.

Isaac Smith was a first round pick (19) so hardly a good example of someone picked "later in the draft." Breust certainly is a good example, as a rookie draft selection. Hawthorn have built their team more through very clever recruiting of established players from other clubs, I don't think their drafting has been anything out of the ordinary.

I'm not sure why you bothered mentioning West Coast when talking about late picks. They've done well out of the "go-home factor" with the likes of Kennedy, Cripps, Wellingham and Yeo, but apart from McGovern and Priddis (rookie draft picks) I don't see many late-pick success stories.

Edit: I just had a very quick look and of the 2015 GF players for those two teams, players drafted to that club at 50+*:-
Hawthorn
Breust (RD)
Duryea (69)
Puopolo (66)
Suckling (RD)

West Coast
Hutchings (60)
McGovern (RD)
Priddis (RD)
Schofield (50)
Sinclair (RD)

* includes any Rookie Draft selections.
That was a bit of a rush job so apologies if I missed someone. No matter what, that's not a lot of names. How many graduates from our rookie list did we have in our last Premiership team? 6, I think. We do very nicely with late picks.

 

[JollyBallsUp]

We probably need to look at Hines recruiting over a 5 year period to really access his ability as a recruiter. We should also compare against other team drafting in the same period of time.

 

[popin]

Hine is still living on his picking Pendlebury reputation. Wouldn't be in the top 8 recruiters in the afl if it wasn't for that.

 

[Vicky Park]

Hine is still living on his picking Pendlebury reputation. Wouldn't be in the top 8 recruiters in the afl if it wasn't for that.

Classic TG. Provocation 101. Fish not biting today, TG?

 

[THATSGOLD]

Classic TG. Provocation 101. Fish not biting today, TG?

What I've said is true though. He isn't in the top 8 recruiters in the afl. Our ladder positions in recent years are more reflection on that. Hawks recruiter is number 1.

 

[THATSGOLD]

We probably need to look at Hines recruiting over a 5 year period to really access his ability as a recruiter. We should also compare against other team drafting in the same period of time.

Spot on.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Isaac Smith was a first round pick (19) so hardly a good example of someone picked "later in the draft." Breust certainly is a good example, as a rookie draft selection. Hawthorn have built their team more through very clever recruiting of established players from other clubs, I don't think their drafting has been anything out of the ordinary.

I'm not sure why you bothered mentioning West Coast when talking about late picks. They've done well out of the "go-home factor" with the likes of Kennedy, Cripps, Wellingham and Yeo, but apart from McGovern and Priddis (rookie draft picks) I don't see many late-pick success stories.

Edit: I just had a very quick look and of the 2015 GF players for those two teams, players drafted to that club at 50+*:-
Hawthorn
Breust (RD)
Duryea (69)
Puopolo (66)
Suckling (RD)

West Coast
Hutchings (60)
McGovern (RD)
Priddis (RD)
Schofield (50)
Sinclair (RD)

* includes any Rookie Draft selections.
That was a bit of a rush job so apologies if I missed someone. No matter what, that's not a lot of names. How many graduates from our rookie list did we have in our last Premiership team? 6, I think. We do very nicely with late picks.

Brad Hill pick 33. Absolute jet.
Hartung runs for days.
Will Langford pick 85. Jet.
More examples of them recruiting well in the draft while being at the top.

 

[35Daicos]

Brad Hill pick 33. Absolute jet.
Hartung runs for days.
Will Langford pick 85. Jet.
More examples of them recruiting well in the draft while being at the top.

Hartung was pick 24. That is not what I'd call a late pick. Langford was a NSW Scholarship player (whose father played for the club) so he was never likely to be available to anyone else. He had a great finish to 2014 (I thought he could have won the Norm Smith), but fell out of favour this year, so maybe a rating of "jet" is a bit much at this stage, as he's basically had one pretty decent year.

 

[Hardas]

It's often oddly entertaining to see the replies to TG but not the dross that inspires them.

 

[Allknowingaye]

Yes he is you moron.

Last time I looked in over a year ago TG was trying to get negative attention like a small child that acts out because it gets ignored in life and the mods were passively supporting someone specifically bent on ruining every fellow Collingwood supporters time in here

Good to see things have changed

 

[AmellyPies]

Last time I looked in over a year ago TG was trying to get negative attention like a small child that acts out because it gets ignored in life and the mods were passively supporting someone specifically bent on ruining every fellow Collingwood supporters time in here

Good to see things have changed

This.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Last time I looked in over a year ago TG was trying to get negative attention like a small child that acts out because it gets ignored in life and the mods were passively supporting someone specifically bent on ruining every fellow Collingwood supporters time in here

Good to see things have changed

Its the old "look at me, look at me" trick

 

[popin]

What I've said is true though. He isn't in the top 8 recruiters in the afl. Our ladder positions in recent years are more reflection on that. Hawks recruiter is number 1.

Brad Hill pick 33. Absolute jet.
Hartung runs for days.
Will Langford pick 85. Jet.
More examples of them recruiting well in the draft while being at the top.

Its the old "look at me, look at me" trick

 

[MeisterBot]

Either we have a shit list due to bad recruiting or a bad coach who's not getting the most of a good list. You can't honestly argue that we have both a bad coach and a bad recruiter, then claim that we should be playing finals.

Then again, who said anything about arguing honestly?

 

[Allknowingaye]

Either we have a shit list due to bad recruiting or a bad coach who's not getting the most of a good list. You can't honestly argue that we have both a bad coach and a bad recruiter, then claim that we should be playing finals.

Then again, who said anything about arguing honestly?

Or being honest enough to admit Bucks had to change the entire culture of the club as evidenced by Pert's 'volcanic off season behaviour' remark thanks to the previous incumbent's give me wins and I'll turn a blind eye philosophy of 'developing' young men.. just ask WC and the ruined lives of their premiership list

Or being honest enough to admit some of that behaviour led to early retirements and ruined bodies that in some cases like Daisy still have not come good and led to bizzare moments like Harry wandering around an oval muttering to himself while reporters chased him.. and even Wellers who has finally got back to where he was before the partying lost so many years because he preferred the night life

Or being honest enough to acknowledge the lists age demographic and experience and the complete rebuild that the above forced on him

and completely overlooking who the 'forward' coach was when we won a flag with the 'forward' press after grumpy had failed for 10 years

Yes honesty is a good thing

 

[Apex36]

Either we have a shit list due to bad recruiting or a bad coach who's not getting the most of a good list. You can't honestly argue that we have both a bad coach and a bad recruiter, then claim that we should be playing finals.

Then again, who said anything about arguing honestly?

Or we have a good list in transition, and a coach who was probably thrown in the deep end too early, but seems to be learning on the job very well.

It's easy for someone like TG to shit can our recruiters and use them as an example of why we haven't made finals for the past two years, but it ignores the fact that the system inherently sees teams rise and fall periodically.

Apparently Hawthorns sustained success is a byproduct of their drafting, yet our 8 year finals stretch wasn't? The only things the Hawks have over us is their trading, but even the gap has narrowed there over the past two years, with Greenwood, Varcoe, Crisp, Treloar and Aish all excellent additions.

I'm fully expecting finals in 2016 with the recent list improvements, in addition to natural improvement from the huge amount of young players in our 22 and another year of experience for Buckley.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Or we have a good list in transition, and a coach who was probably thrown in the deep end too early, but seems to be learning on the job very well.

It's easy for someone like TG to shit can our recruiters and use them as an example of why we haven't made finals for the past two years, but it ignores the fact that the system inherently sees teams rise and fall periodically.

Apparently Hawthorns sustained success is a byproduct of their drafting, yet our 8 year finals stretch wasn't? The only things the Hawks have over us is their trading, but even the gap has narrowed there over the past two years, with Greenwood, Varcoe, Crisp, Treloar and Aish all excellent additions.

I'm fully expecting finals in 2016 with the recent list improvements, in addition to natural improvement from the huge amount of young players in our 22 and another year of experience for Buckley.

Im fully expecting finals too and if we don't something needs to change at the club. Buckley has stated in a recent article that we have a fully functional forward line Cloke Howe Moore Fasolo Elliott and one other was his statement. No excuses about recruiting or injuries (since we had a bloody good run of them in 2015 and still fell away) it's time to deliver for once.

 

[Schraderbrau]

 

[mike123]

I have to agree with TG, Pendleubry was such a great pick on its own that if we didn't pick him Hine wouldn't be a top 8 recruiter.

Also in the first half of the last two years we've shown we're top 4 quality then drop away and start dropping games we should win.

We've added another gun midfielder this year and a couple of other good additions, no excuses now.

 

[Allknowingaye]

I have to agree with TG, Pendleubry was such a great pick on its own that if we didn't pick him Hine wouldn't be a top 8 recruiter.

Also in the first half of the last two years we've shown we're top 4 quality then drop away and start dropping games we should win.

We've added another gun midfielder this year and a couple of other good additions, no excuses now.

Beams at 29 and Langdon at 247,237 is far more impressive than Pendles at 5

 

[mike123]

Beams at 29 and Langdon at 247,237 is far more impressive than Pendles at 5

Considering at the time Pendlebury wasn't even considered a top ten pick and how he turned out to be Pendlebury is far more impressive.

Beams at 29 is good but he's no where near Pendlebury.

Langdon is a good pick but I can see why he was overlooked his first year and so late in the draft.

 

[Allknowingaye]

Considering at the time Pendlebury wasn't even considered a top ten pick and how he turned out to be Pendlebury is far more impressive.

He was just outside the top 10.. pick 29 is the frickin wilderness and Langdon came from the clouds

 

[mike123]

He was just outside the top 10.. pick 29 is the frickin wilderness and Langdon came from the clouds

No its not plenty of good players come from pick 29.

Picking up one of the top 3 players in the comp with a high pick is more impressive then picking up a late role player.

 

[Apex36]

I have to agree with TG, Pendleubry was such a great pick on its own that if we didn't pick him Hine wouldn't be a top 8 recruiter.

Also in the first half of the last two years we've shown we're top 4 quality then drop away and start dropping games we should win.

We've added another gun midfielder this year and a couple of other good additions, no excuses now.

There aren't even 8 currently employed head recruiters who have created premiership lists.

Blaming Hine's recruiting for our decline is extremely narrow minded as doesn't take in to account several circumstances that have led to missing finals for the past two years. People keep moaning about how we missed Cripps, but hell, the guy who recruited him was also responsible for some god awful picks too, so much so that he was replaced this year.

The best drafters in the league are Wells, Hine, Rendell and Dalrymple, with Wright behind those four in drafting, but a clear number 1 in trading in talent.