Does Geelong have a 'plan B'?

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Re: Do Geelong Have A Plan-B?

Geelong are not a fast team, and that's why we lost to Carlton, they were simply to quick for us. Name one Geelong player who is quick ? There's only 1 and that is Ablett. The rest were slow and just didn't run and move on monday, it was very dissapointing. We are the team usualy running hard and playing on at all costs. but things have changed now, Carlton were doing that and were killing us, and it wasn't just an off day, if we had to play Carlton again this week, the same thing would happen. Teams are catching us really fast, some have even gone past us e.g Collingwood and St. Kilda.

Geelong were lethargic, and for some reason disinterested. For me, thats far more worrying than anything else. When your lethargic, you look slow. To say Byrnes isnt quick is plain silly. I would suggest hes more than a yard quicker than GAJ.

Things havent changed at all. We had a bad day..some players are not at their best. Deal with it. If it continues for a few weeks then we need to worry, but to say we are on the way out is Henny-Penny stuff.

BTW...St Kilda just got beaten by Port, who we beat by 16 goals. Are they on the way out too???

Have some faith in your players for goodness sake.
 

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Question..

In round 2 we saw Brad Ottens go forward and take two huge grabs and overpower the hawks.

We also saw kruezer do it on Monday in the 3rd quarter.

Why didnt we try Otto down there at all?

surely we can have put tommy and or pods on the bench at the same time and left Ottens with Mooney as the tall timber, he would have been the best option to take a grab, he is the best contested mark in the team...
 
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We barely got it inside 50 until the last quarter, when it was all over.

The forward line was not where we lost the game.

:thumbsu: exactly.

Hence Bomber's comments re Ablett and the on-ball group. The delivery to Moons, Tomahawk and Pods was abysmal even when it went in there.

Bottom line, it was a bad day. No need to go into panic mode just yet...especially with Varcoe, Stokes and Duncan to be added later...

I wonder if Varcoe will even play forward to be honest...but thats for another thread I guess.
 

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:thumbsu: exactly.

Hence Bomber's comments re Ablett and the on-ball group. The delivery to Moons, Tomahawk and Pods was abysmal even when it went in there.

Bottom line, it was a bad day. No need to go into panic mode just yet...especially with Varcoe, Stokes and Duncan to be added later...

I wonder if Varcoe will even play forward to be honest...but thats for another thread I guess.
In the pre-season all the talk from the club was for Varcoe to spend a lot more time in the mid-field.
If that's still the case, I think it's a great idea. It would give us a whole new dynamic and pace in there for bursts.
We need to do the unexpected this year. I like that Mitch Duncan got a few runs in the middle as well.
Soon it'll be pretty much everyone but the talls taking a run in the square and on the ball.
 

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Re: Do Geelong Have A Plan-B?

Geelong are not a fast team, and that's why we lost to Carlton, they were simply to quick for us. Name one Geelong player who is quick ? There's only 1 and that is Ablett. The rest were slow and just didn't run and move on monday, it was very dissapointing. We are the team usualy running hard and playing on at all costs. but things have changed now, Carlton were doing that and were killing us, and it wasn't just an off day, if we had to play Carlton again this week, the same thing would happen. Teams are catching us really fast, some have even gone past us e.g Collingwood and St. Kilda.
I beg to differ somewhat....Wojinski, Varcoe, Byrnes, Ablett.
We are far from the quickest team in the AFL, but we are easily one of the strongest physically. That's the trade-off. IMO we just got the balance wrong on Sunday and Carlton exploited it beautifully.
No need to make wholesale changes to a team that has been as successful as ours.
Carlton were gone for all money 2 weeks ago...so were Port.
It's a long season and we are clearly experimenting a lot.
It's gonna be a bumpy ride this year, but I still have faith in our list and coaches.
 

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Re: Do Geelong Have A Plan-B?

Geelong are not a fast team, and that's why we lost to Carlton, they were simply to quick for us. Name one Geelong player who is quick ? There's only 1 and that is Ablett. The rest were slow and just didn't run and move on monday, it was very dissapointing. We are the team usualy running hard and playing on at all costs. but things have changed now, Carlton were doing that and were killing us, and it wasn't just an off day, if we had to play Carlton again this week, the same thing would happen. Teams are catching us really fast, some have even gone past us e.g Collingwood and St. Kilda.
Agree and disagree. We are a pretty much one pace midfield. Bartel, Corey, Selwood, Ling, Kelly all slowish but strong. Ablett is exceptional. Those mids do use the ball swiftly however. Agree that Blues will likely beat us again and again.They match up really well.
Disagree that Saints have passed us in the speed stakes, we seem to have that advantage over them, specially with Varcoe in. Saints have other advantages over us, but not speed.
BUT, Freo, Swans, Pies, Dogs, Blues, Demons will have significant pace advantage overus. Could easily see us with a 12-10 to 14-8 record at end season
 

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Every team needs a plan B, but maybe the question is are you able to execute Plan A?

For once in many recent year, the Tiges are actually practicing Plan A, without prematurely going to Plans B, C, D, E and Fail.

Even in your current form, Geelong by at least 10 goals.
 

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Re: Do Geelong Have A Plan-B?

Agree and disagree. We are a pretty much one pace midfield. Bartel, Corey, Selwood, Ling, Kelly all slowish but strong. Ablett is exceptional. Those mids do use the ball swiftly however. Agree that Blues will likely beat us again and again.They match up really well.
Disagree that Saints have passed us in the speed stakes, we seem to have that advantage over them, specially with Varcoe in. Saints have other advantages over us, but not speed.
BUT, Freo, Swans, Pies, Dogs, Blues, Demons will have significant pace advantage overus. Could easily see us with a 12-10 to 14-8 record at end season

I disagree we are slow I think Corey & Selwood are actually quite quick, deceptively quick. Ablett, Varcoe and Byrnes are as fast as anyone in the AFL. Mackie & Scarlett although taller are also very quick and obviously Wojak is quick too.

Take out Varcoe, Corey & Scarlett and put Pods, Hogan and Lonergan and yeah we become a slow side.

We lost that game because of Judd (untagged 1st half), Gibbs and Walker (across half back). Had we tagged Judd and played a small forward like Djurkurra instead of Hawkins, I really think we would have won.

I'm expecting 15-7 minimum.
 

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The players are still two weeks behind where the coaches want them to be fitness wise and are currently being worked particularly hard on the track as a result. Info comes from the very top and I'm happy to believe it.

Anyway, sounds a bit like the game Vs Collingwood Rd 9 2008 (86 point loss), when we looked just like we did on Monday - slow, unfit, unmotivated.
 

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Yeah!, should refine 3-2 talls fwd line as required, and find some smalls who can crub a goal.

That switch should be our plan "B". Wojo to a fwd pocket? Plan"C".
 

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I wouldn't really class Ablett as fast. I don't think his top speed is anything amazing it's his acceleration that is damaging. That may be completely wrong though.
I was surprised to see him chase Rodan flat out at Skilled and lose lots of ground on him. Admittedly Rodan must be lightning fast
 

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I wouldn't really class Ablett as fast. I don't think his top speed is anything amazing it's his acceleration that is damaging. That may be completely wrong though.
Well, it's only really acceleration that matters in the AFL, especially in this modern era where there's very little space to run in. You don't often get a chance to run for more than 20m - unless you're David Wojcinski.
 
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