Does Gumby and Sylvia change the game plan at all?

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In the words of Andrew Gaze, TURN IT UP! Did you even watch that first quarter or did you just look at the stats? We absolutely dominated that quarter. Inaccurate goal kicking isn't Sumich's fault, there's a little word called pressure and believe it or not it gets to players. Mayne was missing easy shots that night, but hey, that must be Sumich's fault. Let's get this straight, are you saying when our forwards miss goals, it's Sumich's fault? So when Mayne missed that goal against Essendon, it wasn't his fault, even though the ball was in his hands and left his boot, it was still somehow Sumich's fault?
More often than not we have not been good and consistent shots at goal.
In the Sydney game the wind was an easterly and our players where not lining up their kicks for goal because they where not allowing for the wind . Hence 9 points .
Someone namely Sumich as the forward coach should have had the runner out there .
The GF was much the same . kicking points when we needed goals .
The situation was very different as almost none of our players have experienced a windy MCG so there are excuses for missing .
RTB has a lot of experience of the MCG and if the home work was done then we would have played the MCG the same way as Hawthorn in that when ever they went into their forward line they played on 1 side of the ground to reduce the risk also they passed the ball to the top and front of the goals to have easier shots at goal .
I don't know if you noticed but balls kicked from the pockets where going all over the place because the wind swirls left to right so the ball gets blown across the goals and its almost impossible to kick a goal from deep in the left hand pocket and judging the breeze from the right hand pocket is even harder as our guys found out in the first quarter .
The shots from dead in front or slightly left or right of the goal posts aren't effected by the wind until it is almost through the posts .
To highlight my point when Pav had his first shot at goal from dead in front all our forwards where indicating to him to kick the ball to the out side of the left goal post because they felt the force of the wind against them . Pav kicked the ball at them and it went straight over their heads .
Before our guys went out there some one with knowledge of the MCG should have been advising the forwards of this .
Hawthorn knew this and played accordingly .
Yes they play there more often than we do ,yes Victorian footballers know these conditions and have played in them all their football life .
The Victorians on our coaching panel would have known what to expect and how to play the ground so the question we need answered is what where the players told .
To answer your questions ,Yes I was at both the Sydney game and the Grand final .
Yes I believe that the coaching panel let the boys down if they didn't advise them on the best way to play the MCG in those conditions .
Yes I was at the elimination final against Geelong the previous year .
Yes in that game the wind was not a factor in that game because it was not a windy night.
 

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More often than not we have not been good and consistent shots at goal.
In the Sydney game the wind was an easterly and our players where not lining up their kicks for goal because they where not allowing for the wind . Hence 9 points .
Someone namely Sumich as the forward coach should have had the runner out there .
The GF was much the same . kicking points when we needed goals .
The situation was very different as almost none of our players have experienced a windy MCG so there are excuses for missing .
RTB has a lot of experience of the MCG and if the home work was done then we would have played the MCG the same way as Hawthorn in that when ever they went into their forward line they played on 1 side of the ground to reduce the risk also they passed the ball to the top and front of the goals to have easier shots at goal .
I don't know if you noticed but balls kicked from the pockets where going all over the place because the wind swirls left to right so the ball gets blown across the goals and its almost impossible to kick a goal from deep in the left hand pocket and judging the breeze from the right hand pocket is even harder as our guys found out in the first quarter .
The shots from dead in front or slightly left or right of the goal posts aren't effected by the wind until it is almost through the posts .
To highlight my point when Pav had his first shot at goal from dead in front all our forwards where indicating to him to kick the ball to the out side of the left goal post because they felt the force of the wind against them . Pav kicked the ball at them and it went straight over their heads .
Before our guys went out there some one with knowledge of the MCG should have been advising the forwards of this .
Hawthorn knew this and played accordingly .
Yes they play there more often than we do ,yes Victorian footballers know these conditions and have played in them all their football life .
The Victorians on our coaching panel would have known what to expect and how to play the ground so the question we need answered is what where the players told .
To answer your questions ,Yes I was at both the Sydney game and the Grand final .
Yes I believe that the coaching panel let the boys down if they didn't advise them on the best way to play the MCG in those conditions .
Yes I was at the elimination final against Geelong the previous year .
Yes in that game the wind was not a factor in that game because it was not a windy night.
I'll give credit where credit is due, you made some pretty good points there. Although, just in my opinion, I think you're reading too much into this. The players simply didn't kick straight on the day, I'm sure nerves played a massive part of that too. It's actually more rare to see players kick goals that behinds now a days, there aren't many forwards who can actually kick straight besides Gunston & Mayne. I don't blame Sumich for any of this. Just my opinion though.
 

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Save your virtual ink;the players know damn well they let themselves,the club,supporters,staff and history down with weak mentality.Overcome by the gravity of the occassion;out-thunked themselves by a k or two.
 

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Save your virtual ink;the players know damn well they let themselves,the club,supporters,staff and history down with weak mentality.Overcome by the gravity of the occassion;out-thunked themselves by a k or two.
That's an incredibly hard statement about the players Scon .

The players play to the instructions that coaches give them and they rely on information relayed to them from their coaches and the leadership from senior players during the game .
Yes they are allowed to think for themselves but in the heat of battle guidance is needed which is why teams have runners .
If something isn't going right the immediate coach for that area has to make a judgement call and that can be from switching players to switching opponents or a calming word in the ear of a player or as we like to say an almighty dressing down by the head coach when all else fails .

Yes the guys had a chance to win against incredible odds and bloody hell they almost did it but in getting there the lesson the players and the coaches got we hope was planning and structures mean nothing when you let the nerves energy take over and you loose focus .
 

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That's an incredibly hard statement about the players Scon .

The players play to the instructions that coaches give them and they rely on information relayed to them from their coaches and the leadership from senior players during the game .
Yes they are allowed to think for themselves but in the heat of battle guidance is needed which is why teams have runners .
If something isn't going right the immediate coach for that area has to make a judgement call and that can be from switching players to switching opponents or a calming word in the ear of a player or as we like to say an almighty dressing down by the head coach when all else fails .

I think you might be overestimating the impact coaches can actually have on game day. Adjusting match ups, player positions and minor tweaks to structures rarely have a direct influence on the outcome of a game IMO because at the end of the day the players are the ones with the responsibility of actually adhering to what the coaches have already planned out, making good decisions and executing their skills (which includes kicking at goal).

Regardless of whether the players were as shell shocked by the occasion as they appeared, they didn't produce the footy needed to win. Ross and the rest of the coaching staff no doubt did all they could to remedy that but ultimately the players are the ones who were meant to win that game of footy.
 

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Yeah no dramas couldhavebeen 'weak mentality' is harsh;over-awed is closer to what I meant,but I imagine whatever KPI's the club collects would be absolute chalk and cheese from the Geelong and Sydney games where we did front up with "our brand" of wharfie footy,to the last game where many had bad games and perhaps their worst for the year.
 

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I think for all the sole searching one thing we can all agree on is that the experience of losing the Grand final will toughen up the resolve of the players and coaches to put a better team together for this coming season .
The inclusions of Gumbelton and Silvia will improve the team structures and give us more flexibility .
The main game changer is player rotations IMHO .Silvia adds more grunt around the packs and forward line .
Gumbelton maybe a good fit with his Height and pack marking if we can keep him on the park .
When he is fit and playing he will take the pressure off Mayne and Pav so lets hope for the best .
The New training facilities can't come soon enough for mine .
What are the dimensions of the 2 ovals has anyone checked .
I hope one is the same as the MCG and the other the same as Docklands
 

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I think for all the sole searching one thing we can all agree on is that the experience of losing the Grand final will toughen up the resolve of the players and coaches to put a better team together for this coming season .
The inclusions of Gumbelton and Silvia will improve the team structures and give us more flexibility .
The main game changer is player rotations IMHO .Silvia adds more grunt around the packs and forward line .
Gumbelton maybe a good fit with his Height and pack marking if we can keep him on the park .
When he is fit and playing he will take the pressure off Mayne and Pav so lets hope for the best .
The New training facilities can't come soon enough for mine .
What are the dimensions of the 2 ovals has anyone checked .
I hope one is the same as the MCG and the other the same as Docklands
Apparently ours is one of the worst in the AFL. When we move to Cockburn in 2017, it'll help make the club more appealing for players we're trying to attract.
 

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Apparently ours is one of the worst in the AFL. When we move to Cockburn in 2017, it'll help make the club more appealing for players we're trying to attract.
I've seen plans and the Facilities are fantastic with pools , meeting halls ,training and recovery rooms also club shop and 2 ovals .
It was the dimentions of the ovals that interested me .

Just for a laugh do you recon they will get big fans and a back board to create the wind conditions at the MCG for training the forwards goal kicking:):p
 

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Apparently ours is one of the worst in the AFL. When we move to Cockburn in 2017, it'll help make the club more appealing for players we're trying to attract.
Why does it take so long in Perth? Essendon announced their plans for State of the Art facilities I think they said by the end of the following season. They moved there before full completion but the difference between one club and another is massive. The stadium to 2019? How long did Etihad and Telestra take (actual question)
 

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Why does it take so long in Perth? Essendon announced their plans for State of the Art facilities I think they said by the end of the following season. They moved there before full completion but the difference between one club and another is massive. The stadium to 2019? How long did Etihad and Telestra take (actual question)
October 1997 to March 2000
Less than 3 years for the $430 Million project.

The way WA works we could start it last year and the thing will be finished in 2021.
 

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Why does it take so long in Perth? Essendon announced their plans for State of the Art facilities I think they said by the end of the following season. They moved there before full completion but the difference between one club and another is massive. The stadium to 2019? How long did Etihad and Telestra take (actual question)
Agreed

I thought it was planned for 2015 but anyway...
 

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Less than 3 years for the $430 Million project.

The way WA works we could start it last year and the thing will be finished in 2021.
The unions over here will probably also help out too, you know, like doing important stuff such as closing the site down for the afternoon when they find an extension lead not tagged.
 

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There used to be this great free service where you could look at the change in landscape in WA on virtually a week by week basis. (Near Map) But this has gone by the board. The reason I brought it up is because it was a great way to keep an eye on how things are developing literally and would have been great to see how progress was going at the stadium.
Instead we only know that the contract for the earth works has been awarded and started so stuff is happening, sort off. This site says so.;) http://www.perthstadium.com.au/
 

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cheers, assumed a typo and should have googled it instead

btw, i developed an allergy to reading after high school :)
I prefer to think of school as inoculation against catching a reading bug. Boy do they pick stinkers for school.
Apologies to Tim Winton who I understand is a fan but cloudstreet almost cured me of ever wanting to read again. I understand that it takes all sorts and so forth and maybe I would have enjoyed it more if it had not been rammed down my throat by my cow resembling, moustache sporting, male hating, butch english teacher. And wow I've gone to a bad place :oops: but I dislike intensely dislike passionately (I am a passionate kinda supporter) disliked that particular english class.
 

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I prefer to think of school as inoculation against catching a reading bug. Boy do they pick stinkers for school.
Apologies to Tim Winton who I understand is a fan but cloudstreet almost cured me of ever wanting to read again. I understand that it takes all sorts and so forth and maybe I would have enjoyed it more if it had not been rammed down my throat by my cow resembling, moustache sporting, male hating, butch english teacher. And wow I've gone to a bad place :oops: but I dislike intensely dislike passionately (I am a passionate kinda supporter) disliked that particular english class.

I agree Tim's an acquired taste. Great writer though and worth getting into his latest (set in Freo).
 

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I share your philosophy in relation to television! (With Tim it's really the way with words.)
Nah, I think it is the story that matters. Bryce Courtney was a fairly average writer, way too verbose (UFO Tatsu and ManPurple would probably slit their wrists if they read him), but his story lines were excellent and inspiring (i.e. the power of one). That's more important to me then reading someone who is good at English Lit. Just my preference. It might just be because I spend a lot of time reading non-fiction, so when I do read fiction I just like to enjoy it.
 

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Nah, I think it is the story that matters. Bryce Courtney was a fairly average writer, way too verbose (UFO Tatsu and ManPurple would probably slit their wrists if they read him), but his story lines were excellent and inspiring (i.e. the power of one). That's more important to me then reading someone who is good at English Lit. Just my preference. It might just be because I spend a lot of time reading non-fiction, so when I do read fiction I just like to enjoy it.

Each to their own and I can see where you're coming from. But I can't get past a page of Courtney, Dan Brown or someone like Ludlum. If it's just the story, better off handing it straight to a great movie maker (have you ever read the original Bourne books, for instance; unreadable because the writing's so banal but terrific action thrillers on film).
 
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