Does Murphy get to 300?

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Carlton: Hold my beer?

 

[Blue Doormat]

He is hunted as soon as he nears the ball. He has no time and gets crunched regularly. It’s frustrating when your mind works quicker than your body will allow.
I was against gifting him 300 but they’ve wheeled him this close to the finish line. Might as well tip him over the line now.

 

[jj1978]

Finals chance more important or Murphy getting to 300! U decide... deserves a poll me thinks

 

[Beast__Mode]

Nothing worse than picking a young guy who needs developing as Sub so they most likely miss playing that week. It's perfect, you pick Murphy who is still an ok footballer, you get him to 300, you do the right thing and that means a lot to creating a club players want to play for. Players would resent Teague if he didn't. No brainer this.

It’s far worse to send a clear signal to an entire playing list that winning isn’t driving the football department. Even more so sending a clearer message to kids who would be fitter and more able to contribute that we are prioritising sitting a guy on the bench in track pants and sneakers over success and their opportunity to contribute.

if I’m a young kid on this list coming out of contract - this would be a scenario where I’d ask myself if the club matches my ambition.

There can’t be special circumstances when it comes to the 22+1 who put the jumper on each week. I now know the next time a current member of the footy dept, coaching staff etc talk about winning driving the club, they are lying - to themselves as much as us supporters. I hope they are swiftly moved on and we see a genuine commitment to success brought in.

This is poison. successful organisations would never tolerate such compromise.

 

[Jeremias]

Successful clubs don’t do this. No player is bigger than club. I’m

Two questions:

Are you suggesting Melbourne can’t win the flag because they did the same for Jones earlier this year?

Do you consider Hawthorn a successful club?

 

[gbatman]

It’s far worse to send a clear signal to an entire playing list that winning isn’t driving the football department. Even more so sending a clearer message to kids who would be fitter and more able to contribute that we are prioritising sitting a guy on the bench in track pants and sneakers over success and their opportunity to contribute.

if I’m a young kid on this list coming out of contract - this would be a scenario where I’d ask myself if the club matches my ambition.

There can’t be special circumstances when it comes to the 22+1 who put the jumper on each week. I now know the next time a current member of the footy dept, coaching staff etc talk about winning driving the club, they are lying - to themselves as much as us supporters. I hope they are swiftly moved on and we see a genuine commitment to success brought in.

This is poison. successful organisations would never tolerate such compromise.

Better to play VFL than to miss games sitting the bench as Sub.

Murphy is a respected player, the players would be hoping he gets 300 and be happy for him when be does. Culture is built around respect. You don't build respect by dogging blokes like Murphy. You do it by honouring and respecting your past and present stars.

He's still good enough to be playing. The players would know he's done, that he's deserving and they would/should want this for him.

This sort of stuff makes footy personal and that builds culture.

 

[Beast__Mode]

He's still good enough to be playing.

Sorry I thought this was at least a half serious exchange. My mistake.

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

Sorry mate, but the discussion is hugely worth it.

The club have bent over backwards to do the right thing for Murphy. And rightly so, because he was one of our best footballers this century.

But HE has letdown everyone trying to help him shockingly for at least 2 years. He has been playing self preservation footy like i have NEVER seen before. At best going at half pace and at quarter intensity. It has been horrible to watch and damaging for all involved.

He both can't, and won't put in. And for at least 2 years. And the closer he's been limped to a "landmark" that shouldn't really mean much, the harder it's been to pull up his stumps. Just shocking situation he's put the club in, because he hasn't helped them to pick him at all. Not even attempted to compete. Just thinking that it's a right to get him there.

There is so much wrong with HIS approach to all this that his 300th will be completely hollow to nearly all....despite what the media department will diligently produce.

He will always have an asterisk next to his name for me.
It's hard for me to put into words for fear of offending everyone. Therefore I'll refrain, suffice to say I am troubled and angry on multiple levels.

 

[jackn]

Not on last nights effort he won’t


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Not on last night's effort he shouldn't. He will though. Marc Murphy's 300th has become more important than winning games, despite still being a slight chance at finals.

Murph was a good player until about 2 seasons ago.He was a great player until a few seasons before that. He's been going downhill for the last 2 seasons to the point we witnessed last night, not even close to deserving a game on form but playing for personal achievements.

This thread will be interesting reading over the next fortnight. 2 pretty well entrenched sides of the argument that I don't think the world's greatest debaters would be able to influence.

 

[jackn]

He's still good enough to be playing. The players would know he's done

Assume you've missed a what or this doesn't make sense. Freudian maybe.

 

[Revenant1995]

Just a couple of thoughts, as I am a little conflicted about this... I wish to celebrate, but I am also pondering about what it means to finish well...

On the thread regarding Saints game and votes for players (yes, I know it's BF) highest votes for player (at this moment) is JSOS with 176 votes. Lowest is Murphy with 3...

Also, it might seem random, but at player milestones Club has put out all sorts of merchandise. I wonder how this will be impacted if people feel Murphy was helped across the line...

From my own point of view I am going to work on remembering the Murphy who played many strong games for us...

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Two questions:

Are you suggesting Melbourne can’t win the flag because they did the same for Jones earlier this year?

Do you consider Hawthorn a successful club?

Jones only had to play 6 games to get to his 300 and fortunately they have won all 8 games he took part in.

Carrying Murph for 14 games when the team has been struggling kind of makes it harder thing to take.

 

[Jeremias]

Jones only had to play 6 games to get to his 300 and fortunately they have won all 8 games he took part in.

Carrying Murph for 14 games when the team has been struggling kind of makes it harder thing to take.

The comment was that successful clubs don't do it, full stop. There was no mention of the number of games.

And there's a very reasonable argument to be made that Jones has been carried for more than the 6 games this year. He was well past it last year too.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Better to play VFL than to miss games sitting the bench as Sub.

Murphy is a respected player, the players would be hoping he gets 300 and be happy for him when be does. Culture is built around respect. You don't build respect by dogging blokes like Murphy. You do it by honouring and respecting your past and present stars.

He's still good enough to be playing.

Do you honestly believe that? Because if you do I challenge you to name a game this year when he’s been in our best players. I can’t. I’ll be generous and say he was ok last year (got 3 Brownlow votes vs Gold Coast) so the drop off has been swift and his last few weeks since returning from injury have been simply awful.

The club should have had the tough conversation at the bye after his terrible performance vs West Coast and the week before against Sydney when he showed he couldn’t even impact the game coming on as the sub late in the third quarter when everyone else would have been buggered.

I admire the loyalty of some on here but for me given what’s at stake in the next 2 weeks for the club this is a no brainer. He doesn’t play again.

 

[AB_Blue]

I can name plenty of players who have, so what? Right through the history of the game players have been carried to this milestone in the final stages. To be fair, I couldn't give a rats what happened with Harvey . I am comfortable with the club doing the right thing and getting Murphy over the line.

It will happen, just celebrate the contribution that he has made over the years. He's earned it IMO.

I will be happy for him

I just don’t think it’s right he takes a spot off a youngster

Sub is the ideal role


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[gab213]

I will be happy for him

I just don’t think it’s right he takes a spot off a youngster

Sub is the ideal role


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Fair enough but I have no doubt that he will start on the ground in his 300th.

 

[Beast__Mode]

The comment was that successful clubs don't do it, full stop. There was no mention of the number of games.

And there's a very reasonable argument to be made that Jones has been carried for more than the 6 games this year. He was well past it last year too.

Are you suggesting Melbourne is a successful club? Because I would challenge that characterisation, very strongly. Half a season of good footy doesn’t make a club successful. If you follow NFL, you wouldn’t need me to ask you if Belichik would condone this approach.

clubs that are uncompromising in their pursuit of success would never- ever - jeopardise the chance of winning the way Carlton has with putting Murphy out there the last couple of weeks. It’s an insult to every other player, and supporters.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Better to play VFL than to miss games sitting the bench as Sub.

I agree there is zero benefit having the likes of Honey, LOB, Ramsay, Kemp or Carroll the sub instead of playing a full game in the 2’s, so next week he may well remain the sub (McGovern may have to come in to ruck for TDK)...but what happens if we beat the Suns and then play Port needing a win to keep our season alive? Murphy remaining the sub for his 300th is not going to happen, so someone has to make way.

I’ll keep it simple and not contemplate hypotheticals like returning players from injury or good form in the 2s (Williams/Betts or Samo playing another good game in the 2s)...so are you ok with relegating any one of Owies, Newnes, Williamson, Honey or LOB to the sub role to accomodate Murphy being in the starting 22 for his 300th?

I’m not and I really hope the club is not either.

 

[TrueQldBlue]

He is done

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[Psychochook]

He will always have an asterisk next to his name for me.
It's hard for me to put into words for fear of offending everyone. Therefore I'll refrain, suffice to say I am troubled and angry on multiple levels.

I'm the same and have been for many years now.

Take your 300 games and get out.

 

[Jimmae]

Finals chance more important or Murphy getting to 300! U decide... deserves a poll me thinks

I would suggest setting up the wing role with players like Setterfield, Ed, Kennedy, and Cottrell is a bigger issue.

Jones only had to play 6 games to get to his 300 and fortunately they have won all 8 games he took part in.

Carrying Murph for 14 games when the team has been struggling kind of makes it harder thing to take.

They've been holding him out of the midfield unit almost the entire time, particularly when Barker was still actively involved. The guy's losing his agility and the coach wants him to play as far wide of the stoppage as possible while also not encouraging him to make searching runs for the football?

Until last night, it's been an incredibly static system of ball movement for weeks because of the combination of slow and dour that's been a regular feature of the selection mix. There couldn't be more engineered against the bloke to succeed in his role for the team given his skillset.

Do you honestly believe that? Because if you do I challenge you to name a game this year when he’s been in our best players.

There are other regular players for us this year that would also fall into this category, and all of them (including Murphy) have spent time outside the senior team.

 

[RedFury]

Tough (but very hypothetical) question:

If Murphy misses a game through injury and ends up on 299 with one game to play, and things go exceedingly well for us to the point where if we win said last game, we make finals, does he get a full game for 300?

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Will he play 301

 

[FRUMPY]

May as well have pulled someone off the street as Murphy last night.
If he had a shred of dignity or team first mentality, he’d pull the pin immediately.
What is motivating the man to destroy his own legacy ?
It’s only a bloody number …

Another Paul Meldrum? Worked out alright last time we did that

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[Jeremias]

Are you suggesting Melbourne is a successful club? Because I would challenge that characterisation, very strongly. Half a season of good footy doesn’t make a club successful. If you follow NFL, you wouldn’t need me to ask you if Belichik would condone this approach.

No. Read my initial comment again.

I'm suggesting people who have stated you can't be successful whilst doing the right thing by a club champion better hope Melbourne don't win the flag this year, because it would completely fly in the face of that concept.