Does the on going assistance to Gold Coast and GWS (backdoor rules on the fly) still cast a shadow on the contemporary premiers?

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Freomaniac

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When these teams entered in 2010 the bottom sides were all apparently f’ed because they’d get no access to elite talent in the draft.

The two bottom sides of 2010 have won the last 4 flags between them
Are you talking about Richomond and West coast?

I found that slightly

But lets talk about it.

Lets talk about Richmond.

Richmond finished 9th in 2006 and 2008.

Yet finished bottom 4 in 2007 and 2009. Fortunately Richmond chose rance and cotchin in 2007 and Martin in 2009.

West coast Made grand finals in 2005-6. missed finals in 2008-10 and made finals in 2011-12 off the back of the veterans of those 2005-6 Grand final teams.
 

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That's a pretty useless stat the semi final one.

Carlton, Essendon, StKilda, North, Melbourne, Bulldogs, GC. 7 of the 18 clubs haven't finished top 4.
Dogs won a flag obv but that's alot of clubs that haven't really been competing.
Melbourne, North Melbourne and the Bulldogs have all finished top 4. The Dogs won a flag even.
 

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Are you talking about Richomond and West coast?

I found that slightly

But lets talk about it.

Lets talk about Richmond.

Richmond finished 9th in 2006 and 2008.

Yet finished bottom 4 in 2007 and 2009. Fortunately Richmond chose rance and cotchin in 2007 and Martin in 2009.

West coast Made grand finals in 2005-6. missed finals in 2008-10 and made finals in 2011-12 off the back of the veterans of those 2005-6 Grand final teams.
That doesn't really change too much. Aside from the Gold Coast, Port finished bottom in 2011, the other year where the draft was pillaged. They've done alright since then. Brisbane finished 15th that year. Adelaide 14th. They've all contended since then and some pretty soon after.
 

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The most recent period of AFL history is completely and utterly unprecedented and unique.

During this time the AFL simultaneously established 2 new clubs, and in doing so distorted the trade/draft situation in a monumental fashion. The effects of this enormous distortion are still being felt even today, but at the time the effects were so massive that the implications could only be equally as large.

In real terms what it meant was that several generations of the elite players went almost exclusively to just two clubs, which was further compounded by devices such as mini-drafts and compensation picks given out for unsigned stars (and on-traded, leading to further distortions) for many subsequent years.

Whilst there were many implications to this gigantic upset of the natural order one of them was plain, and inarguable: the teams who were at or about the top of the ladder at that point were, via an accident of history, gifted an unprecedented opportunity to sustain their dominance.

Quite simply, instead of getting 3-4 or more genuinely good players per year for several years, the chasing pack got only 1. This translated into a situation whereby, arguably, it became incredibly difficult, if not impossible, for the them to catch the top performers.

This is plainly illustrated in the reality that, despite all of the explicit mechanisms to promote equalisation: for the last decade the same 6 teams have shared the Premiership spoils, with the 11 cups since the inception of GC being shared between just 6 clubs. All of whom, it turns out, were either at the top or on the cusp of success precisely when GC and GWS were brought into the competition and the trade/draft environment radically distorted. This is not a coincidence.

Now, please read the preface again. This is not to downplay Contemporary
clubs achievements; rather, it's to recognise, interpret and understand the extremely unusual conditions that have lead to the current status quo.

I'd be interested in any thoughtful comments on how far people see this distortion having an effect, given the current ominous look of Greater Western Sydney.

Im interested too
One of your most important premises is WRONG.

The last 11 Premierships have been shared by 7 teams - that is almost HALF the teams around when Gold Coast was introduced (presumably introduced to the Draft as that is what your arguing about).

2010 (Collingwood)
2011 (Geelong)
2012 (Sydney)
2013-2015 (Hawthorn)
2016 (Western Bulldogs)
2017, 2019-2020 (Richmond)
2018 (West Coast)

Another 4 teams have played in Grand Finals during this period.
2010 (St. Kilda)
2013 (Fremantle)
2017 (Adelaide)
2019 (GWS Giants).

So - over this 11 year period a total of 11 clubs have contested an AFL Grand Final.

You'll be hard-pressed to find many periods in VFL/AFL history when 11 different clubs have contested a Grand Final in an 11 year period!
 

McCrann

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One of your most important premises is WRONG.

The last 11 Premierships have been shared by 7 teams - that is almost HALF the teams around when Gold Coast was introduced (presumably introduced to the Draft as that is what your arguing about).

2010 (Collingwood)
2011 (Geelong)
2012 (Sydney)
2013-2015 (Hawthorn)
2016 (Western Bulldogs)
2017, 2019-2020 (Richmond)
2018 (West Coast)

Another 4 teams have played in Grand Finals during this period.
2010 (St. Kilda)
2013 (Fremantle)
2017 (Adelaide)
2019 (GWS Giants).

So - over this 11 year period a total of 11 clubs have contested an AFL Grand Final.

You'll be hard-pressed to find many periods in VFL/AFL history when 11 different clubs have contested a Grand Final in an 11 year period!
In fact - the first time in history 11 clubs played in Grand Finals over an 11 year period was 1987-1997.

PREMIERSHIPS
1987 & 1995 (Carlton)
1988, 1989 & 1991 (Hawthorn)
1990 (Collingwood)
1992 & 1994 (West Coast)
1993 (Essendon)
1996 (North Melbourne)
1997 (Adelaide)

GRAND FINALS
1988 (Melbourne)
1989, 1992, 1994 & 1995 (Geelong)
1996 (Sydney)
1997 (St. Kilda)
 

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