Society/Culture Does this puff piece dating article blow the lid off a left wing myth?

[Seeds]

Woman’s awkward rejection takes unbelievable turn

A woman’s awkward dating fail has gone viral after things took a spectacular turn for the better.

www.news.com.au

So if one identical twin can be gay and another straight then doesnt that mean homosexuality isnt solely genetic and therefore is partly environmental opening up the possibility that it is partly cultural? An idea that will get you ejected from left wing friendship groups.

Im not saying its time to open up the homosexual re-education camps but is it time we act like adults and consider that being gay is related to genetic and environmental factors. Evolutionary pyschology can explain an awful lot about humans. However, one of its big weaknesses (argued by left wing scientists) is it cant explain why homosexuality would occur genetically in such high numbers. Maybe thats because it is not a weakness at all and homosexuality isnt just genetic?

 

[Work Hardery]

Woman’s awkward rejection takes unbelievable turn

A woman’s awkward dating fail has gone viral after things took a spectacular turn for the better.

www.news.com.au

So if one identical twin can be gay and another straight then doesnt that mean homosexuality isnt solely genetic and therefore is partly environmental opening up the possibility that it is partly cultural? An idea that will get you ejected from left wing friendship groups.

Im not saying its time to open up the homosexual re-education camps but is it time we act like adults and consider that being gay is related to genetic and environmental factors. Evolutionary pyschology can explain an awful lot about humans. However, one of its big weaknesses (argued by left wing scientists) is it cant explain why homosexuality would occur genetically in such high numbers. Maybe thats because it is not a weakness at all and homosexuality isnt just genetic?

Absolutely. Environmental and cultural factors, as well as a person's bringing, influence sexuality. There is still no evidence to suggest that a 'gay gene' exists.

There’s no evidence that a single ‘gay gene’ exists

Many genetic factors with small effects combine with one’s environment to influence sexual behavior, researchers say.

www.sciencenews.org

 

[its free real estate]

Absolutely. Environmental and cultural factors, as well as a person's bringing, influence sexuality. There is still no evidence to suggest that a 'gay gene' exists.

There’s no evidence that a single ‘gay gene’ exists

Many genetic factors with small effects combine with one’s environment to influence sexual behavior, researchers say.

www.sciencenews.org

There’s no single gene for height either but that doesn’t mean height isn’t mostly genetic.

 

[Connoisseur]

Scientists claim height is mostly genetic but then environmental factors have to have a significant cumulative effect on it too as there have been drastic increases in height over decades and centuries whenever living standards have improved, particularly in Western Europe. Napoleon is an interesting example of this as he's often referred to as a midget when his height was well within mean in the 1800s.

And it's now happening with the Chinese with most male international students from that country appearing to be at least 5'9 and quite a few around 6 feet tall. That simply was not the case in the 90s, with males in that period being on average 4 inches shorter than what they are now and I find it hard to attribute that gradual increase simply to genes.

 

[Chief]

Absolutely. Environmental and cultural factors, as well as a person's bringing, influence sexuality. There is still no evidence to suggest that a 'gay gene' exists.

There’s no evidence that a single ‘gay gene’ exists

Many genetic factors with small effects combine with one’s environment to influence sexual behavior, researchers say.

www.sciencenews.org

You're setting up a straw man here.

That article cites genetic factors and environment, which is perfectly reasonable.

Yet you are implying that the only opposing argument to "gay people choose" is that there is one gay gene.

 

[its free real estate]

Scientists claim height is mostly genetic but then environmental factors have to have a significant cumulative effect on it too as there have been drastic increases in height over decades and centuries whenever living standards have improved, particularly in Western Europe. Napoleon is an interesting example of this as he's often referred to as a midget when his height was well within mean in the 1800s.

And it's now happening with the Chinese with most male international students from that country appearing to be at least 5'9 and quite a few around 6 feet tall. That simply was not the case in the 90s, with males in that period being on average 4 inches shorter than what they are now and I find it hard to attribute that gradual increase simply to genes.

Yes, better diet (more protein) as a child and teenager and fewer illnesses significantly increases your height, but for a population where those are stable / controlled the variance is entirely explained by genes.

 

[woota]

Yes, better diet (more protein) as a child and teenager and fewer illnesses significantly increases your height, but for a population where those are stable / controlled the variance is entirely explained by genes.

Do you think that gayness is a spectrum, or people are simply either heterosexual or homosexual?

 

[Lethality]

Whatever it is, it's still not a choice.

 

[Seeds]

Whatever it is, it's still not a choice.

No its not choice. But it likely is partly due to environment and culture. Dressing up boys in feminine clothes and making girls play contact sports may actually increase the probability your kids will be gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

 

[Chief]

No its not choice. But it likely is partly due to environment and culture. Dressing up boys in feminine clothes and making girls play contact sports may actually increase the probability your kids will be gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Probably won’t.

 

[Seeds]

Probably won’t.

We dont actually know that. An awful lot of professional sports women are gay compared to national averages (again nothing wrong with that) but you have to wonder why. Do female children who are genetically predisposed to being gay prefer to play sport in far greater numbers then other female children or does playing sport make females more likely to be gay? It has to be atleast one if not both. Im guessing its a bit of both.

 

[Chief]

We dont actually know that. An awful lot of professional sports women are gay compared to national averages (again nothing wrong with that) but you have to wonder why. Do female children who are genetically predisposed to being gay prefer to play sport in far greater numbers then other female children or does playing sport make females more likely to be gay? It has to be atleast one if not both. Im guessing its a bit of both.

Looking at it as a duality of "gay or straight" doesn't hold water, scientifically.

 

[parsons nose]

If you want conclusive evidence about this suggest you read the book As Nature Made Him. In short, the story of a boy raised as a girl after a botched circumcision. Tragic tale.

 

[its free real estate]

Looking at it as a duality of "gay or straight" doesn't hold water, scientifically.

Why isn’t sexuality a construct like gender?

 

[Seeds]

If you want conclusive evidence about this suggest you read the book As Nature Made Him. In short, the story of a boy raised as a girl after a botched circumcision. Tragic tale.

How would a single example provide conclusive evidence? Im not claiming genetics is not invovled. It clearly is. Im just claiming its not the only thing that matters.

 

[Seeds]

Looking at it as a duality of "gay or straight" doesn't hold water, scientifically.

If you enjoy having sex with the same sex then i would of thought that is the definition of gay. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

 

[Chief]

If you enjoy having sex with the same sex then i would of thought that is the definition of gay. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Yeah but the science shows that it's not that straightforward.

Exclusively same sex? Exclusively opposite sex? A mix of the two in varying proportions? Never had or wanted sex?

Gay or straight is not granular enough, it seems.

 

[parsons nose]

How would a single example provide conclusive evidence? Im not claiming genetics is not invovled. It clearly is. Im just claiming its not the only thing that matters.

You need to read the book. It’s as compelling evidence as you’re ever going to get. And it addresses and dispels your original hypothesis

 

[Seeds]

You need to read the book. It’s as compelling evidence as you’re ever going to get. And it addresses and dispels your original hypothesis

Please explain it then?

 

[Seeds]

Yeah but the science shows that it's not that straightforward.

Exclusively same sex? Exclusively opposite sex? A mix of the two in varying proportions? Never had or wanted sex?

Gay or straight is not granular enough, it seems.

Who really cares whether the term gay includes bi people or doesnt. Its just a labelling exercise. We all know there are people who only like screwing the same sex, those who like both and those who only like the oposite sex. If people dont know which sex they like we put them in the dont know yet category. The fact there are people who dont kind of know which category they fit kind of suggests environment will play a role for some.

Its time to end the myth this is all determined genetically before we are born for everyone. As you say, its more complicated then that.

 

[stretcharmstrong]

Scientists claim height is mostly genetic but then environmental factors have to have a significant cumulative effect on it too as there have been drastic increases in height over decades and centuries whenever living standards have improved, particularly in Western Europe. Napoleon is an interesting example of this as he's often referred to as a midget when his height was well within mean in the 1800s.

And it's now happening with the Chinese with most male international students from that country appearing to be at least 5'9 and quite a few around 6 feet tall. That simply was not the case in the 90s, with males in that period being on average 4 inches shorter than what they are now and I find it hard to attribute that gradual increase simply to genes.

That’s not a gradual increase, in fact it is staggeringly fast if it is an increase across the population. Which it probably isn’t. Does that idea come from a published study or something?

 

[Frank Bunn]

Yeah but the science shows that it's not that straightforward.

Exclusively same sex? Exclusively opposite sex? A mix of the two in varying proportions? Never had or wanted sex?

Gay or straight is not granular enough, it seems.

Science is only part of the story. In the late 19th century psychiatrists invented the term homosexual to describe someone who is exclusively attracted to their own sex. Before that only the sexual acts were spoken about.

Since then homosexual or gay or queer has become something that defines some people's identity. The identification with these terms has been reinforced by political movements and the subsequent demand for rights.

There is clearly a range of sexual preferences that includes sex with the same sex on occasions or exclusively. But 'gay' is very much a social construct. This has led to confusion - that, for example. has demanded equal rights for two men to get married. Marriage was always about a man and a woman contracting to a sexual relationship with a view to having children - not an equality thing for any two people who claim to love each other.

If gay or straight is not granular enough then what do you propose? Maybe a graded gay/straight to the nearest 10% sexuality rating? Or how about no longer caring whether people are 'gay' or 'straight'?

 

[parsons nose]

Please explain it then?

The child’s name was David Reimer. He was born in Canada. You can read the condensed version of events on Wikipedia.

 

[Seeds]

The child’s name was David Reimer. He was born in Canada. You can read the condensed version of events on Wikipedia.

Again thats one person. That doesnt explain or proove anything for the populace at hand. And that story is about gender identity anyway not homosexuality. Most gay men think they are men. Gender identity is a different issue.

 

[parsons nose]

Again thats one person. That doesnt explain or proove anything for the populace at hand. And that story is about gender identity anyway not homosexuality. Most gay men think they are men. Gender identity is a different issue.

The two are not incongruent. And if environmental factors played a part in the case you cited, why is it, given they both grew up in the same environment, they are not both gay?