AFL Autopsy Dogs Breakfast v Dogs

[Red Black and Blue]

If the coaching group was any good they would have. Dale has been a high possession winner, initiating attack for them all year. If we scouted and watched tape of bulldogs we would know this. Good coaching would have a plan for negating him.
I agree you can’t tag your way from 7 goals down, but I saw no adjustments made at all while the game was going down the gurgler.

Scott said they had two plans for him and neither worked so they went even numbers.

 

[bomberlegend2007]

**** me, a lot of you really do have the sky is falling mentality when everyone know this type of performance is coming.

“We gonna have some bad losses during this rebuild, which is fine.” Well is it? Cause the reaction is just so over the top.

 

[Mercurial89]

Had a couple of people suggest I was being negative when I posted this last week.

Bang in the middle might have been overly optimistic.

Being bottom tier is fine as long as we use the time we do have well.
We had 23 chances for data and experience this year.

Using setterfield in a role on Bont was a choice I wouldn't have made. I'd have gone with Durham as just another lesson on the level for him, with the positive of he's done a job on him before.
Tsatas should be playing, I have doubts about whether he will make it but put him in the deep end.
Vigo should be in, as second ruck, if you must play Goldy.
Johnson in the side.
Sub should not be Dylan Shiel, he's a senior player, if he isn't good enough he plays in the VFL and is used for rests for young blokes as a starter. He's being setup to fail, everyone knows he cannot have any impact as sub, yet seemingly the coach is blind to it.

Sub used to manage game time of younger players who we want to expose to AFL but not every single week.
Would love if we saw some action taken against senior players who have taken the piss their entire careers failing to set the standard on match day, but of course the argument will be that we need them there for protection.
I do not get what Langford is bringing right now.
He, Redman and McGrath are the 3 that I'd like traded because I don't believe they will ever be apart of any success here.

He's limited by what he can do because we simply don't have a list of capable players, but I'd like to see more and better from Scott.
His first year you could see the adaptation, targeted moves that took out opposition strengths or adapted a method to exploit a weakness.
That has seemingly vanished and been replaced by an acceptance. A reliance on limited players to try things they are not capable of doing.

 

[Phone]

I’m worried about another second half of the year fade-out. Looked lethargic yesterday, and they were running on the spot second half against Sydney.

If we fade-out again it will be three years on the trot, and that’s not including all the times it’s occurred over the last 15 years.

We are young, so it’s somewhat forgivable, but the conditioning of this team should be under the spotlight in my opinion. From reports this pre-season there wasn’t a lot of running at training, mainly skills work. That’s fine, but it’s only fine if the boys are hitting their numbers away from the club. It’s a watch for mine…

we didn't fade out last year and we're not gonna fade out this year. we're just not good. I don't know how many times we need to barely defeat North Melbourne and West Coast before the message gets through. We're lucky to have as many wins as we have. Our luck running out doesn't equal fading away.

We just suck as a result of 15 years of bad decisions

 

[div12ressie]

whats more concerning is a lot of our senior players have gone backwards in their careers/development. most look uninspired and disinterested. yeah bulldogs are a quality side but they've just played in darwin against GC along with a short turnaround. We're only in May and the players already look burnt out ffs lol

 

[fairbump_playon]

Looked slightly different from previous Bulldog beltings, and there have been a few

Previously they have just bullied us in contested possession and been too slick with their handball game.

This time they just seemed to outwork us... outnumbered us at so many contests. Would outnumber us when they won it in our forward line, and then presto outnumber us when they got it forward.

Then we fumbled & missed targets all night when we did get our hands on the footy.

I reckon they are a very good chance to win the flag.

 

[windyhill]

At the very least there will be two or three more beltings like this one. It’s just in us these types of losses.
Pathetic.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

At the very least there will be two or three more beltings like this one. It’s just in us these types of losses.
Pathetic.

Geelong in Geelong will be scary

 

[BrunoV]

So I spent a week feeling positively about the way the side played for the first time in ages.

I haven't seen this game yet. How did we go?

 

[jannissary]

So I spent a week feeling positively about the way the side played for the first time in ages.

I haven't seen this game yet. How did we go?

do you remember when we versed GWS at the end of 2023? we played about as inspidily as that.

 

[BrunoV]

do you remember when we versed GWS at the end of 2023? we played about as inspidily as that.

Yikes!

 

[Chief Hopper]

Using setterfield in a role on Bont was a choice I wouldn't have made. I'd have gone with Durham as just another lesson on the level for him, with the positive of he's done a job on him before.
Tsatas should be playing, I have doubts about whether he will make it but put him in the deep end.
Vigo should be in, as second ruck, if you must play Goldy.
Johnson in the side.

I disagree with this.
When has it bringing in even more younger players resulted in a winning formula? We have one of the youngest playing list going around, playing the Dogs who have a mature finals ready list.
Tsatas VFL numbers have not resulted at all in AFL after multiple attempts, he's too slight a build. Why then would it be any different against one of the best mid groups? Setterfield racked up consistent numbers against the Dogs, he wasn't the reason we went bad.
Vigo and Johnson look good, but heap with with Kako, Caddy, Ried, Roberts, WEH, its just way to young and physically weak a bunch.

Other than what you wrote, we simply didn't have the game style, or cattle, to make the difference.
Dogs knew our game style, they got numbers around the ball, swamped congestion and spread quick. They did it so well it exhausted our players to a crawl. Our rucks tapped out to the Dogs every time, their players physically bossed us when we had it. It's the same as how Geelong played us multiple times over.

Langford and Caldwell look slow, can't hit targets and look ineffective on the ground. The rest of the team are carrying them, rather then them adding to it. Brad Scott didn't or couldn't make any changes worth while.

Going forward, this was a taste of what finals footy is like, and how far our list is from that.
Setterfield, Durham, Reid, Roberts, McGrath, Duursma all played ok. But thats not enough.

 

[Mercurial89]

I disagree with this.
When has it bringing in even more younger players resulted in a winning formula? We have one of the youngest playing list going around, playing the Dogs who have a mature finals ready list.
Tsatas VFL numbers have not resulted at all in AFL after multiple attempts, he's too slight a build. Why then would it be any different against one of the best mid groups? Setterfield racked up consistent numbers against the Dogs, he wasn't the reason we went bad.
Vigo and Johnson look good, but heap with with Kako, Caddy, Ried, Roberts, WEH, its just way to young and physically weak a bunch.

Other than what you wrote, we simply didn't have the game style, or cattle, to make the difference.
Dogs knew our game style, they got numbers around the ball, swamped congestion and spread quick. They did it so well it exhausted our players to a crawl. Our rucks tapped out to the Dogs every time, their players physically bossed us when we had it. It's the same as how Geelong played us multiple times over.

Langford and Caldwell look slow, can't hit targets and look ineffective on the ground. The rest of the team are carrying them, rather then them adding to it. Brad Scott didn't or couldn't make any changes worth while.

Going forward, this was a taste of what finals footy is like, and how far our list is from that.
Setterfield, Durham, Reid, Roberts, McGrath, Duursma all played ok. But thats not enough.

I think your misunderstanding me,
Winning that game is not the focus, In a way the loss was a good thing.

What annoys me is the short sighted nature of what we are doing and the opportunity we are wasting playing the wrong players, giving the wrong players the wrong roles.


I know adding more youth to this side makes us bad now, but I do not think the now is important.
Especially the style of football we are playing being not finals compatible.
The aim is simply list evaluation and exposure.

 

[hurlygurdy]

I think your misunderstanding me,
Winning that game is not the focus, In a way the loss was a good thing.

What annoys me is the short sighted nature of what we are doing and the opportunity we are wasting playing the wrong players, giving the wrong players the wrong roles.


I know adding more youth to this side makes us bad now, but I do not think the now is important.
Especially the style of football we are playing being not finals compatible.
The aim is simply list evaluation and exposure.

I disagree. You can’t field a side that will get crushed every week and call that development. Development comes from playing competitive football. Sure you don’t have to win, but you do need to be competitive.

 

[Milanista28]

My idea of a rebuild is 'Play the team that helps you win in round 1 2026'

Does Shiel playing as the sub in round 10 2025 help us next year?

 

[Mercurial89]

I disagree. You can’t field a side that will get crushed every week and call that development. Development comes from playing competitive football. Sure you don’t have to win, but you do need to be competitive.

So is playing the same old senior players who have accomplished nothing, have absolute stinkers and don't lose their position in the side good development?
I'm not saying field absolutely every young player every week and get thumped.

However Redman should be on thin ice.

Why is Shiel sub? What does he offer in that role?
Why is Setterfield playing on Bont, and then being celebrated for his impact?
What is Langford offering right now except another Hep situation of "leadership".

We are playing some players in roles they are not suited for, then we wonder why nothing changes.

Again I'm not saying field absolutely every young player every week and get thumped.
But we are getting the balance wrong currently and we still got a thumping so we gained nothing here, no experience, no new Intel, just a wasted game.

You only get so many chances to get an audit on your players, the way you play, your coaching, how players learn to back up week after week.
My issue is we are wasting these chances and expecting the passage of time to do our developing for us.

 

[jannissary]

My idea of a rebuild is 'Play the team that helps you win in round 1 2026'

Does Shiel playing as the sub in round 10 2025 help us next year?

who else would you rather have be the substitute?

 

[Milanista28]

who else would you rather have be the substitute?

Rather give that half to Tsatas for one, was sitting at home doing nothing. Maybe Davey in that nice jumper as well. Shiel is a horrible sub, he's never played well in that role, start him or out of the 23 is his go.

 

[jannissary]

Rather give that half to Tsatas for one, was sitting at home doing nothing. Maybe Davey in that nice jumper as well. Shiel is a horrible sub, he's never played well in that role, start him or out of the 23 is his go.

what you're proposing would be having players in need of further development miss VFL game time to play maybe a half of football max. we'd end up in the same spot, except tsatas would be the one in place of shiel. the sub needs to be impactful, and i can't recall either of the mentioned players provided any real impact in games that they've been subs in. i understand the push for playing youth but playing them as the substitute is demonstrably wasteful to their development.

i can't recall the specific game but one does come to mind where he provided ample movement and clearance ability in the midfield.

 

[Milanista28]

what you're proposing would be having players in need of further development miss VFL game time to play maybe a half of football max. we'd end up in the same spot, except tsatas would be the one in place of shiel. the sub needs to be impactful, and i can't recall either of the mentioned players provided any real impact in games that they've been subs in. i understand the push for playing youth but playing them as the substitute is demonstrably wasteful to their development.

i can't recall the specific game but one does come to mind where he provided ample movement and clearance ability in the midfield.

Tsatas didn't play VFL this week there was a bye, that's why he'd have been better off as the sub.

I'm not saying Tsatas should be permanent sub, just last week.

 

[jannissary]

Tsatas didn't play VFL this week there was a bye, that's why he'd have been better off as the sub.

I'm not saying Tsatas should be permanent sub, just last week.

i didn't know there was a VFL bye, my bad (or forgot) but i can't recall too often him having any substantial impact as a sub. but that's just my perspective, i suppose

 

[Agronomus]

Mission: Impossible still rocks my socks off. Brian De Palma for life.

...Oh right, there was a game tonight wasn't there? We're in a rebuild and rebuilding teams are bound to get smashed eventually. Gotta keep hitting the draft and turning the list over.

Which Mission:Impossible?

 

[Agronomus]

Tsatas didn't play VFL this week there was a bye, that's why he'd have been better off as the sub.

I'm not saying Tsatas should be permanent sub, just last week.

I don't have any particular issue with him being our 23rd player, someone has to be.

 

[zigipop]

So is playing the same old senior players who have accomplished nothing, have absolute stinkers and don't lose their position in the side good development?
I'm not saying field absolutely every young player every week and get thumped.

However Redman should be on thin ice.

Why is Shiel sub? What does he offer in that role?
Why is Setterfield playing on Bont, and then being celebrated for his impact?
What is Langford offering right now except another Hep situation of "leadership".

We are playing some players in roles they are not suited for, then we wonder why nothing changes.

Again I'm not saying field absolutely every young player every week and get thumped.
But we are getting the balance wrong currently and we still got a thumping so we gained nothing here, no experience, no new Intel, just a wasted game.

You only get so many chances to get an audit on your players, the way you play, your coaching, how players learn to back up week after week.
My issue is we are wasting these chances and expecting the passage of time to do our developing for us.

This has been selection policy for 15 years, it's the reason the comp went past us around about that time and it's the reason we've been left so far behind the league today. We're amateurs.